i am putting this outside the box of trad only comments.. john wayne gacy's chart has been used by some in the astro community to try to present modern astrology in a bad light.. that is an interesting approach which appears to show a built in bias towards a particular style of astrology not to mention that the comparison offered on this site that i have read more then a few times is seriously flawed...
hindsight is 20/20... it is interesting how one can go back and look at a chart and see all the reasons why something is such and such a way or another astrologically.. astrology is supposed to be about predicting the future as much as everything else it has been used for.. predicting the future is much more tricky then looking back at the past.. studying the past is very instructive to seeing what might work astrologically and i recommend it..
here is the wikipedia page on gacy. reading it while looking at his chart is informative.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy
here is his chart with more bio related info
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Gacy,_John_Wayne
when you read his early upbringing it is quite disturbing and fits with how his life later turned out...
the first part of his chart that stands out to me is the new moon opposite neptune.. the other pattern that quickly jumps off the chart is the mercury squaring onto the ascendant axis and being involved with the cluster of planets in the descendant area of his chart.. upon a closer look one notes a few midpoints like mars/saturn = mercury, mars/uranus = descendant, moon/pluto=descendant and challenging midpoint pictures like this.. an interesting feature of his chart is the absence of any planet in a cardinal sign.. his chart is largely mutable with some fixed to it suggesting he was a product of his circumstances more then a person able to force his life in a particular direction..
a technique anyone can try out which can be used to help in rectification as well is the use of directing any planet on a 1 degree= 1 year basis.. this is essentially solar arc direction applied to a chart to get more understanding of the directions in effect for a person in a particular year of there life.. you can do it forward - the most common way and called direct, or reverse - less common and called converse.. if you do this on gacys chart with the data on his personal bio you can see some of the challenging directions matching up with some of his early home life experiences as well..
gacys killing spree starts on his saturn return with saturn transiting the descendant area of his chart, while neptune is transiting his ascendant.. he also married for a 2nd time in 1972.. 2 marriages for gemini on the descendant pans out with gacy.. his murdering continues until 1978 where t saturn finds itself squaring onto his asc/desc axis and close to his midheaven by the end of the year..
i suppose i am demonstrating how one can look back on a persons life and consider the different techniques you are using astrologically to understand both the person and the astrology better.. it is an exhaustive task thinking of sharing everything i can look at by writing it down, but it is a small part of what goes into doing astro research using different techniques such as transits or solar arc directions to a well known persons chart such as gacy.. i think the part about syncing up the different techniques one uses in astrology to real people who have lived notoriously or otherwise is helpful for better understanding astrology..
the sect read on gacys chart wouldn't consider mars on an angle in a nocturnal chart such a bad thing.. perhaps the fact it squares onto it's own ruler would change the dynamic some, but just on the basis of sect mars isn't badly placed... as roy pointed out on the other thread is the conflict with the position of mercury and jupiter both being in detriment in each others signs.. how this would get factored into the astrological cause of his horrific actions is not completely clear to me... i suppose the beauty of trad astro is its connection to a more fatalistic viewpoint, something that i think modern astro has worked hard to displace... where ever one finds themselves with regard to a particular attachment to either trad or mod astrology, to me is seems beside the point to understanding astrology better.. hey, i get to be philosophical about this on a neutral forum where i am not having to address something in a specific boxed in manner...
hindsight is 20/20... it is interesting how one can go back and look at a chart and see all the reasons why something is such and such a way or another astrologically.. astrology is supposed to be about predicting the future as much as everything else it has been used for.. predicting the future is much more tricky then looking back at the past.. studying the past is very instructive to seeing what might work astrologically and i recommend it..
here is the wikipedia page on gacy. reading it while looking at his chart is informative.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy
here is his chart with more bio related info
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Gacy,_John_Wayne
when you read his early upbringing it is quite disturbing and fits with how his life later turned out...
the first part of his chart that stands out to me is the new moon opposite neptune.. the other pattern that quickly jumps off the chart is the mercury squaring onto the ascendant axis and being involved with the cluster of planets in the descendant area of his chart.. upon a closer look one notes a few midpoints like mars/saturn = mercury, mars/uranus = descendant, moon/pluto=descendant and challenging midpoint pictures like this.. an interesting feature of his chart is the absence of any planet in a cardinal sign.. his chart is largely mutable with some fixed to it suggesting he was a product of his circumstances more then a person able to force his life in a particular direction..
a technique anyone can try out which can be used to help in rectification as well is the use of directing any planet on a 1 degree= 1 year basis.. this is essentially solar arc direction applied to a chart to get more understanding of the directions in effect for a person in a particular year of there life.. you can do it forward - the most common way and called direct, or reverse - less common and called converse.. if you do this on gacys chart with the data on his personal bio you can see some of the challenging directions matching up with some of his early home life experiences as well..
gacys killing spree starts on his saturn return with saturn transiting the descendant area of his chart, while neptune is transiting his ascendant.. he also married for a 2nd time in 1972.. 2 marriages for gemini on the descendant pans out with gacy.. his murdering continues until 1978 where t saturn finds itself squaring onto his asc/desc axis and close to his midheaven by the end of the year..
i suppose i am demonstrating how one can look back on a persons life and consider the different techniques you are using astrologically to understand both the person and the astrology better.. it is an exhaustive task thinking of sharing everything i can look at by writing it down, but it is a small part of what goes into doing astro research using different techniques such as transits or solar arc directions to a well known persons chart such as gacy.. i think the part about syncing up the different techniques one uses in astrology to real people who have lived notoriously or otherwise is helpful for better understanding astrology..
the sect read on gacys chart wouldn't consider mars on an angle in a nocturnal chart such a bad thing.. perhaps the fact it squares onto it's own ruler would change the dynamic some, but just on the basis of sect mars isn't badly placed... as roy pointed out on the other thread is the conflict with the position of mercury and jupiter both being in detriment in each others signs.. how this would get factored into the astrological cause of his horrific actions is not completely clear to me... i suppose the beauty of trad astro is its connection to a more fatalistic viewpoint, something that i think modern astro has worked hard to displace... where ever one finds themselves with regard to a particular attachment to either trad or mod astrology, to me is seems beside the point to understanding astrology better.. hey, i get to be philosophical about this on a neutral forum where i am not having to address something in a specific boxed in manner...
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