Shining Ray said:
I wonder how many long term members on the forum are influenced by Uranus in some way, as we all come together as a group to share ideas.
*raises hand* Mercury conjunct Uranus, Moon disposited by Uranus (in Aquarius, of course) and Uranus
oriental
Mercury is further influenced by the Neptune and Pluto, being at the same degree as their midpoint. My Mercury is also in Scorpio, under Pluto's care. The outer planets have taken over my mind, lol
I joined this forum the year that my MC arced to my Uranus.
My Neptune energy has been more difficult for me to handle this squares my Moon/Mercury. Collective emotions, sacrifice and everything else that goes long with Neptune.
I'm under t.Neptune square Mercury; this has been a really interesting transit. It's totally highlighted my spiritual and musical interests, and made my mind hard to focus on mundane or technical pursuits. I'm normally very technical, as shown by the ME-UR conjunction, but for the past year I've been much more focused on music and arts, and have made quite a bit of progress musically. I've even figured out a few ways to get into music professionally, which I hope to implement in the near future. I expected lots of troubles from this transit, but honestly it's been good times so far. I suppose reality will catch up with me on this later *giggle*.
Do you have a significant creative outlet? It seems Neptune-Mercury likes to release through the communicative arts, be it music, theater, spirituality, etc... Neptune needs a creative outlet otherwise she finds the hard way out... dissolution, sickness, drugs, depression, etc..
What if your chart is quite dominated by collective energy, and how would you tell this. Would you look at the outer planets connected to personal planets, or Uranus/Neptune/Pluto being placed angular.
Both are valid considerations. Aspects (especially dynamic aspects) and midpoints between personal and outer planets are very significant. A personal planet in Sco, Aqu or Pis is disposited by an outer planet. As you mention, the houses are important too. An outer planet first rising before the Sun (oriental) is important as well. Mutual receptions between personal and outer planets are also big stuff. Progression or arc of an angle to an outer planet during the formative years (pre saturn-return) is major as well. Another thing a lot of folks don't notice is parallels between personal objects and outer planets, also quite significant. I'm sure there are more considerations, too, I'll edit this post if I recall more
If Pluto rules the underworld what kind of significant affect would this have on the person, in a collective way are they acting out a collective energy in some way.
Pluto seems to actually be a far more personal object than most people recognize him for, especially in a psychological context. Aspects between personal planets and Pluto, or Pluto angular, seems to confer the native with ability to access and work with their shadow self. A wonderful gift. Of course, many other things come with this placement, but the ability to work with one's shadow is the best summation. This does, of course, involve facing difficult parts of the self, lots of transformation, and some hard experiences. But such potential from inner/Pluto connections!
It's like when there are great artists/film directors like Steven spielberg how strongly collective is his chart as he would be communicating and sending out images to the collective and also picking up our images, and emotions. You would think he would have Neptune strong in his chart, but I don't know I have never seen it, he might not have it.
Great guess, as you shown you are very correct, Neptune T-squaring the ASC/DSC axis is quite powerful. I'll have to look over the chart in more detail, I'd bet he has other Neptunian considerations!
Great musicians and artists and leaders of our time must have this energy stronger than most in their chart. I read because these planets are not so personalised that a person that a person cannot always handle it and in some cases it can lead to insanity.
The outer planets are alot more personal than most people think, especially when they are connected to the inner planets. The insanity comes if one tries to hang on to their ego-structure; the outers require us to essentially go through a molt, shedding our shell (unneeded and restrictive saturine structure). If you have any idea of how sensitive an animal is during the molting process, you can directly apply that condition to the aspected personal planet(s), which can be quite vulnerable during their transformation(s). All the outer planets represent transformations and change, the only difference is which process they use.
If you don't find a way to creatively express these planets, would it lead to a lot of problems.
It can. You don't always have to express them, they tend to guide you from depths beyond what you can express, but you certainly can develop the ability to consciously express them. What is more dangerous is repressing them! They are a force well beyond the frail ego of a human; going against them is like picking a fight with the solar system. To the outer planets, the human ego is a useless skeleton that at best retards change, at worst leads to destruction. We can throw the lasso around our Sun, our Mercury, etc, and personally choose how we are going to apply these energies... They are personal, essentially
our energy in submission to our will. Once you get to the planets that are not lit visibly by the Sun, you're dealing with the a combination of subconscious and superconscious forces. My best advise in this area is to choose one of the outers and ask it to be your guide, for a period of time. Progressed aspects and the outer planet cycles make it pretty obvious which is the most receptive to you during any given period. IE around age 26-28 we all have the Neptune-Neptune sextile, Uranus square Uranus at 21, Uranus opp. Uranus around 42, Chiron return at 50, etc etc. I've found that consciously asking one of the outer planet energies to enact positive change does work, presently I'm working mostly with Neptune as I'm under the Neptune-Neptune sextile in addition to Neptune square Mercury, along with the waning Chiron square. You could say im in a Chiron-Neptune cycle at this point, after having spent a few years with a Uranus progression. I could go on (I've mapped out the next 20 or so years with the outers) but you get the idea -- be conscious of the outer planet cycles you are under and work consciously with these energies; it's more productive and less stressful than simply letting them drag you around, which they
will do if you don't invite them to change you. After all, these planets are the masters of leading the sleeping masses through their karmic transformation commitments, however these energies are quite happy to find a soul that isn't asleep at the wheel and will respond in kind.
You probably haven't made much sense of this, because I haven't either
, as I am finding it hard to explain this and understand it. But feedback welcome as I want to hear how everyone else views these planets in their chart, or just their opinions on collective planets.
It's a huge subject. I really should bookmark this thread you've started and come back, as I tend to ponder the outer planets often, they are my main interest in astrology... IMHO, the inner planets are too boring and personal, and too fast moving, to be much fun
Figures I'd think that way with my chart, lol.
Outer planet reading list:
http://www.amazon.com/Astrology-Self-Discovery-Tracy-Marks/dp/0916360202
http://www.amazon.com/How-Personali...6923600?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187428437&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Alive-Well-Ur...2075329?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187428563&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Alive-Well-Ne...2075329?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187428563&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/Alive-Well-Pl...2075329?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187428563&sr=1-3
http://www.amazon.com/Pluto-Evoluti...6257435?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187428610&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Pluto-Souls-E...6257435?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187428610&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/Neptune-House...5306461?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187428648&sr=1-5
http://www.amazon.com/Astrological-...5306461?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187428648&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Pluto...5306461?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187428699&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/Book-Pluto-St...306461?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187428725&sr=1-20
http://www.amazon.com/Uranus-Llewel...5306461?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187428756&sr=1-1