Recommendations for my blog article?

Julia Karmic Astrology

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Roel,

I listened to the audio clip you provided and it gave me goose bumps.
This is the tonal version of the astrological zodiac?

I also read your article.
Your work is based on highly esoteric spiritual works.
So you are a musical mystic of sorts.
But with a grounding in science.

Julia
 

RaRohini

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I don't think RaRohini you are the bull in the china shop.
You have actually been in the china shop long before we arrived in terms of sound and astrology!

So the Vedics determine a birth star for each child, the birth star has been assigned a musical note, and then a name can be given to the child similar to the star tone?

Are you aware of anyone extending this idea to the natal chart? Assigning tones to the placements?

Julia

Aww.. thats very sweet of you Julia ! But i am a bull ! Moon in Taurus 😃
You are doing a great service to humankind with your readings !
Roel ! Kudos to you. Even though i do not understand western music, i was touched by your website.
Regarding assigning the tones to various stars, i will try and get a worksheet ready and post it here. Because most of the terminology is very Indian and hard to understand.
 
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In terms of which one to use, I would think that if at some point people want to meditate or relax to the music of their natal chart, then the sound would need to be harmonious and pleasant?? Research shows that most humans do not react well to discordant sounds?

Generally speaking we can say that most people (and animals as well) react better to harmonious music. And with that I do not only speak about pleasant in melody, harmony and rhythm, but also in the musical interval system. When "pure" intervals are used - based on the harmonic series - music is at it's most harmonic. Nowadays with the modern 12-Tone Equal Temperament we in fact are listening to "tempered" intervals that are off-pitch (false in fact) in comparison to the harmonic series.

There is much more to say about this topic, but if we get back to your question without too much detail and so, then you have to say that what "harmonious" is to one person, could be "disharmonious" to another. Some people for example for example fine up-tempo Bebop Jazz not "harmonious" sounding, some people find trash-metal or experimental electronic music pleasant to listen to, while others would call it "noise".

That's why I think that - specially when it comes to "healing music" - music should be specifically created for the individual in question. A "one size fits all" music piece for "healing purposes" is to describe the same antibiotics for any and every condition. For some people it might work, for other is might not or could even cause harm. I think "healing music" should only be written by people with knowledge of medical and mental health as well as music. Not by musicians without deeper insight the medical fields, not by medical specialists without proper knowledge about music, composition, sound engineering.

At the end music is very personal. And the more a person learns about music and explores the many styles, the better you understand it's value and importance. I personally think that every person should learn to play an instrument. That does not have to be on professional level of course, but learning about music and making music is nonetheless very important. This is why great minds such as Pythagoras obliged his students to learn about / do something with music.

Did you know that both halves of the brain are pretty much equally active with music? There isn't much a person can do that will activate the brain in the way music does.

But, I'm drifting off ... hehehe

I am sorry to put something on your "to-do" list. For the time being just let it perculate and cook in your head. When the time is right you can tackle it.
Julia

Well, I asked for it, didn't I? :) And it's better to have too many things on the "to-do" list that you can't all do, then no list at all. ;)

Keep it coming ... and I will see what I can do with it. And if not me, then perhaps another member of this forum with skills, knowledge, insights might become inspired by it all and add to the collective knowledge base. :)
 

Julia Karmic Astrology

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Aww.. thats very sweet of you Julia ! But i am a bull ! Moon in Taurus 😃
You are doing a great service to humankind with your readings !
Roel ! Kudos to you. Even though i do not understand western music, i was touched by your website.
Regarding assigning the tones to various stars, i will try and get a worksheet ready and post it here. Because most of the terminology is very Indian and hard to understand.

RaRohini,

I will be interested in viewing your worksheet.

Can you tell me how a birth star is assigned to each child?
What is the process of determining the birth star?
And what kind of stars are birth stars?

Thank you in advance.

Julia
 

Julia Karmic Astrology

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Generally speaking we can say that most people (and animals as well) react better to harmonious music. And with that I do not only speak about pleasant in melody, harmony and rhythm, but also in the musical interval system. When "pure" intervals are used - based on the harmonic series - music is at it's most harmonic. Nowadays with the modern 12-Tone Equal Temperament we in fact are listening to "tempered" intervals that are off-pitch (false in fact) in comparison to the harmonic series.

There is much more to say about this topic, but if we get back to your question without too much detail and so, then you have to say that what "harmonious" is to one person, could be "disharmonious" to another. Some people for example for example fine up-tempo Bebop Jazz not "harmonious" sounding, some people find trash-metal or experimental electronic music pleasant to listen to, while others would call it "noise".

That's why I think that - specially when it comes to "healing music" - music should be specifically created for the individual in question. A "one size fits all" music piece for "healing purposes" is to describe the same antibiotics for any and every condition. For some people it might work, for other is might not or could even cause harm. I think "healing music" should only be written by people with knowledge of medical and mental health as well as music. Not by musicians without deeper insight the medical fields, not by medical specialists without proper knowledge about music, composition, sound engineering.

At the end music is very personal. And the more a person learns about music and explores the many styles, the better you understand it's value and importance. I personally think that every person should learn to play an instrument. That does not have to be on professional level of course, but learning about music and making music is nonetheless very important. This is why great minds such as Pythagoras obliged his students to learn about / do something with music.

Did you know that both halves of the brain are pretty much equally active with music? There isn't much a person can do that will activate the brain in the way music does.

But, I'm drifting off ... hehehe

Well, I asked for it, didn't I? :) And it's better to have too many things on the "to-do" list that you can't all do, then no list at all. ;)

Keep it coming ... and I will see what I can do with it. And if not me, then perhaps another member of this forum with skills, knowledge, insights might become inspired by it all and add to the collective knowledge base. :)

I agree with all your points. Music is quite powerful on many levels.
For myself, if I listen to a certain kind of music, I can feel my heart chakra pop open instantly.

And yes, there is no one size fits all music appreciation.
That is why your tonal signature based on the natal chart is so intriguing.
This is music which is an exact replica of a person's cosmic wiring.
There is no tonal healing expert on earth who can come any where near replicating
such a exact healing musical array.

Julia
 
Roel,
I listened to the audio clip you provided and it gave me goose bumps.
This is the tonal version of the astrological zodiac?Julia

The audio clip you listened to (The Astronomical Zodiac) is the a temperament where the intervals are based on the Astronomical Zodiac, or how astrologers might prefer calling it, the Sidereal Astrological Zodiac.

So, the 12 tones of the scale (and this could actually be a 13-tone scale too) represent one whole year and unlike the equal tone division as in tropical astrology, the tone intervals are based on the time that the sun is positioned in between each sign "in real time" and Earth.

I also read your article.
Your work is based on highly esoteric spiritual works.
So you are a musical mystic of sorts.
But with a grounding in science.
Julia

I always feel "uncomfortable" with "labels".

I am just me, showing you my piece of "the broken mirror" ... and try to aim it such way that it reflects information, knowledge, ideas, insights from mirror pieces of others I have seen as well ... does that explanation makes sense to you?
 
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Julia Karmic Astrology

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The audio clip you listened to (The Astronomical Zodiac) is the a temperament where the intervals are based on the Astronomical Zodiac, or Sidereal Astrological Zodiac.

So, the 12 tones of the scale (and this could actually be a 13-tone scale too) represent one whole year and unlike the equal tone division as in tropical astrology, the tone intervals are based on the time that the sun is positioned in between each sign "in real time" and Earth.

I always feel "uncomfortable" with "labels".

I am just me, showing you my piece of "the broken mirror" ... and try to aim it such way that it reflects information, knowledge, ideas, insights from mirror pieces of others I have seen as well ... does that explanation makes sense to you?

Yes I can see the complexity of your personality.
The piece of the mirror you present to the world is data based and circumspect.
Then anyone reading your work can see the mystic visionary.

But yes, labels don't feel right or accurate.
It is just you being you, and this is how your brain works.
I understand.

Julia
 

RaRohini

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Sorry i got busy and could'nt help you with the Vedic ragas. Am trying to get some time to put it together. Great effort !
 

Julia Karmic Astrology

Well-known member
Hello all ...

I have written a 2nd article about Astrology and Music. This time an article about how you could create a "tone-collection" based on a horoscope chart. With this tone collection you can create a scale and chords ... and use that for making a musical composition with ...

You can find it here:
http://www.roelsworld.eu/en/blog-music/astrology-music-composition/

@Julia Karmic: thanks for sharing some thoughts about it earlier ... :)

Roel,

Thank you for sharing your article. You have done really good work.
You clearly lay out the theoretical basis and then the procedure for determining an astrological tone collection. This is such a fabulous idea.

Have you had time to make your own fingerprint?

Julia
 
Roel,

Thank you for sharing your article. You have done really good work.
You clearly lay out the theoretical basis and then the procedure for determining an astrological tone collection. This is such a fabulous idea.

Have you had time to make your own fingerprint?

Julia

Thank you. :)

No I have not unfortunately. Not only do I have a lot of other unfinished writing work to do, but I have another problem and that is that our recording studio has to move. The old location was closed and we have troubles finding an appropriate (and affordable) alternative. So, until I have the studio up and running again, I won't be able to do any proper productions.

I do look forward of creating both the 12-TET and microtonal version, but I just have to be patient and hope we have some luck reopening the studio soon. :)

Thanks again for you comments and the exchange of thoughts about this article in the past couple of months. It has been really helpful getting an "outside view" from a "astrology insider" on it. :)

Roel
 

Julia Karmic Astrology

Well-known member
Thank you. :)

No I have not unfortunately. Not only do I have a lot of other unfinished writing work to do, but I have another problem and that is that our recording studio has to move. The old location was closed and we have troubles finding an appropriate (and affordable) alternative. So, until I have the studio up and running again, I won't be able to do any proper productions.

I do look forward of creating both the 12-TET and microtonal version, but I just have to be patient and hope we have some luck reopening the studio soon. :)

Thanks again for you comments and the exchange of thoughts about this article in the past couple of months. It has been really helpful getting an "outside view" from a "astrology insider" on it. :)

Roel

You are welcome Roel,

I am not sure if I am an astrology insider or not, but happy to give you some feedback. :)

You have such an exciting and innovative idea, it will unfold in its own time.
The most important part is done, the statement of theory and practice. The rest will fall into place.

Julia
 

SimonG

Member
Awesome and informative! I'm playing guitar and have some understanding on the scales also in that mathematical sense, but you take it to another level with your post. One day I'll read this whole thread too. Thanks! :w00t:
 
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