do you guys use logic or completely rely on planets when you read horaries?
I don't really understand the question which is why it's taken me so long to respond on this.
I don't understand the question, because the process of deciphering what is going on in the chart with the interaction of significators, is in itself, a logical process.
I think that what you are referring to, is are we simply guessing upon likelyhoods, or are we deriving our answers entirely from the chart, and the answer is a bit of both.
For example, a woman asks if she will concieve a child, but she cannot just ask that, without any important background information. For example, woman 'A' has had difficulty conceiving in the past, and is approaching the menopause, woman 'B' is a young girl just into her twenties, has no known fertility problems, and comes from a family of very fertile females. What this means is, that for woman A, we need a considerably stronger testimony that she will concieve than we do for woman B, who would only require a weak testimony, if any, to produce a postive outcome. For when a chart appears not to be providing any sure testimony either way, we must resort to answering the question quite simply according to what is most likely, which is perfectly acceptable.
There are those who feel that a horary astrologer should be able to find out the age of the woman, her fertility status etc. just from looking at the chart, but this is unrealistic and unfair. The essential background information accompanying a horary question is important, so that the astrologer can determine the likelyhood of a positive or negative testimony in advance, and this isn't cheating, it is a very important part, and the initial part, of the process of judgement.
For example, can you imagine walking into a doctor's office, and simply asking 'Am I ill?'? The doctor would then, quite naturally, expect you to tell him what your symptoms are, in order for him to be able to deliver a judgement. Upon asking what your symptoms are by a doctor, no one would dream of stating, 'You tell me, you're the doctor!', and yet this is exactly what many people expect of astrologers, which is quite amusing for it's naivety really. It's infuriating, but cute, that people deem us to wield such extraordinary powers.
Those who ask silly questions like 'Does he love me?', makes me wonder why they do not simply ask him. If they feel that they cannot ask him this question for any reason, he doesn't. Simple.
However, this is another reason that detailed background information is so very important, because we cannot determine that the question is as petty and trivial as we presume without knowing the circumstances out of which it has arisen.
If you think about that post you dismissed because the question was 'Does he love me?', having asked a few question of the querent, that question may not seem so stupid at all.
What if the querent is a little boy that gets beaten black and blue by his father everyday, and is concerned to know whether the father actually has any affection for him?
What if the querent is a school-girl who has a huge crush on her teacher, and wonders if there is any possibility that he feels that same? To our adult perspective, this seems silly, but if this concern is dominating her every waking moment, it's obviously not silly to her.
So before dismissing certain questions as rubbish, you're as well to ask about the context out of which that question has emerged. However, if the querent had followed the rules and provided the necessary background, this wouldn't be necessary anyway, but even with the information supplied, it is still often necessary to inquire after more detail.
There are questions in the horary forum that I do not consider to be appropriate, but I often do respond to them, sometimes to point this out, sometimes, because even if the horary is not a valid one, then the person can still be informed upon certain aspects of horary that they demonstrate that they do not know. It has to be remembered, that to a beginner in horary, it is quite natural to be casting chart after chart upon all sorts of trivia, but this is good for practice and essential for them to do in order to get used to using horary techniques. So it's easy to brand someone a fool, but often, it may be that because they are a beginner or a stranger to horary, they may not be aware of these things, so it's probably better to point this out to them than ignore them, but first, we must grill them mercilessly to extract all the necessary information from them concerning the context out of which the question has arisen, and only then can we decide if the question is right for horary or not, and if not, explain why.
In any case, as I'm meant to moderate the horary section, I feel somewhat obliged to respond to posts, even those that appear silly to some of us.
who broke into the store and how they did it
Tikana, please will you link me to this. I hope I'm not one of the one's being accused of guess-work without an astrological analysis.
I try to rely on the planets
Try?
What else might you be looking at?
like other forms of divination, can Horary be influenced by our own wants and needs?....
Horary is quite unlike any other form of divination. In astrology, those of us who are so inclined, with aptitude, are privelaged enough to be working with the Powers That Be, which shape our lives, and this is quite different to throwing Tarot cards around on a table. The indescribable majesty of creation is hardly comparable to a deck of cards. However, those who think that an asteroid will take upon mystical characteristics according to the name that it was randomly alloted would disagree, seeing as their stance presumes that we are the ones that influence the heavens, rather than the other way round. You'll notice that asteroids such as 'Dick' and 'Wanke' are given a wide birth by asteroid fans however, as is the vast majority of the thousands of them, usually the ones without pretty names.
So no, the outcome of a horary cannot be influenced by our own hopes and needs, which is why it is wise not to ask questions to which we would rather not see a terrible answer if we know we wouldn't be able to handle it. We should also beware of asking questions in which we have a strong emotional investment, particularly those concerning famiily and friends, because we will be focusing upon those hopes and wishes, and twist even the most dire indications into a positive testimony, or vice-versa.
Bear in mind however, that I said 'beware of', not that we should refrain from asking such questions all together, as this is cowardice and will not teach you anything by experience. It is necessary to make cock-ups of this nature in order to understand exactly how it occurs and how to avoid doing it again.
This leads onto to something that Starlink mentioned:
Draco once mentioned this in a thread where his mother asked him to find her glasses or something, cant remember now. He then went about it the wrong way because he wanted the anwer to be positive. Later he saw how his own wish had influenced the way he looked at the chart and how he had overlooked the obvious (right) answer.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3636
My problem here was, that I absolutely discounted the obvious and initial things that the chart was trying to say. 'What? Early ascendant, and the significators of her and the money are one and the same? Surely not, that must be wrong!'. As far as I was concerned I was set upon identifying a thief in the chart, and fuelled by anger and feeling protective of my Mum, I had no time for other answers, I even had the audacity to argue with the cosmos! When I realised that having discounted the immediate and obvious testimonies and that the money was not lost, but just needed to be located, and that having considered this, I could have done so easily, and proved myself as an astrologer to boot, I really felt like an idiot. It was however, a valuable lesson.
Since then, when interpreting charts for family and friends, I have never allowed mine or their own feelings or assertions get in the way, to the extent that I would discount obvious things in favour of pleasing them with what they would rather hear.
For example, I have a sister that had started a new job, and was getting along very well in it, and one day while talking to her about astrology, I looked at the chart for the time at which she had first attended for her first days work.
I asked her if just prior to starting the job, if the employers wife had just recovered from an illness. She raised her eyebrows and was astonished, as this was indeed the case. I was pleasantly piqued as well.
Now, the thing is, according to this chart, I told her that it was unlikely that she would continue in this job, and I felt that she would lose the job and that this would somehow be something to do with payment being withheld. The thing is, she simply could not agree with this, because everything was going so well with the job, and she got on fine with her boss, often sharing a laugh and a joke with him. She was adamant that there must be something wrong with my interpretation, even despite the taster I gave her about the bosses wife having been ill, she just wouldn't have it about losing the job, even more so, that according to the timing, that she would lose this job imminently!
Now, given that she was so very confident that everything was going beautifully at work, this gave me cause to doubt myself, but I am wiser thesedays due to past experiences, I knew better than to be trying to twist a happy interpretion out of this in order to assuage our optimistic feelings - so I stuck to my guns, none the less, doubting myself.
I was contacted by my sister the very next day. She had been dismissed from work about a dispute that she had with her boss, over pay that he had deducted unfairly, hence, my interpretation was perfect (thankyou, God x), but only because I did not give in to neither my or her emotional investment in the situation.
She is now aware that our feelings or our adamancy that we already know what is what, cannot effect the message that a chart, casted appropriately, has to relate, and that if I am acting appropriately, I must keep my feelings out of the way. As such, she also knows better than to ask questions to which she would rather not know of an upsetting answer.
love cannot be measured by horary. i dont think it is possible even to answer it.
This is absolutely untrue. An astrologer cannot dismiss a branch of horary because they have failed to have success with it personally, for their own lack of knowledge or experience.
Love horaries are the easiest of all to interpret. There is such a thing as astrologers who specialise in love horary, and love horary actually forms a branch of horary astrology in it's own right.
Love most certainly can be measured by horary, the trouble is, it can be measured far too accurately for most people's liking, as in love more than in any other area of life, fantasy reigns. The last thing we need is for some grumpy, Saturnian horarist to come along and burst our bubble with the facts (and horarists usually are Saturnians). This again brings us round to the consideration of not asking questions to which we would rather not have an unhappy answer that would trouble us. The trouble is, we do not always know of the possibility of an unhappy answer until we see it in the chart, and often, people just won't accept it, but I know better thesedays.