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Nice! I'm into mentalizing and reading about the law of attraction right now, so I'm looking for similar kinds of knowledge. I'll wait for your next post, thanks a lot.
It isn’t my fault that our base human nature is aggressive, competitive, and sexual.
Very interesting. Could you give an example of how you might "invoke" this magick? A little step-by-step of sorts?
Ok, care to share one example of how and for what purpose you, personally, might invoke/use it or how you've used it in the past? Maybe some detail of what it entails?There are various ways of doing it.
It's funny you should use the example of a child, bc that's the best example of untainted, pure energy. A child is just being themselves. They have their own natural way of being, which changes over time through the influence of adults primarily. The ability of humans to control themselves 100% , truly, is a rare thing, don't you think? How many adults continue to smoke, drink, fornicate, eat too much, even though they know it's bad? Yes, theoretically, as adults they should be able to control their urges, but this is a power that evades most "humans".The bottom line is the fact that people choose their behaviour. There are many examples of people who choose to not regulate their own behaviour, but that is still a choice of how to behave. As is obvious in the application of magic, free will is stronger than any other force of nature. You can choose to be "aggressive, competitive, and sexual" or you can choose any other way to be. Truly, is this not magic? If someone wants to say that this "aggressive, competitive, and sexual" way of being is a natural default, then I must say that it is akin to the blubbered, slurred expressions of a small child who simply hasn't learned to control himself yet.
Also RIR, what do you think of evoking the energies of the sign that's rising? Like say, I'm a writer, with writer's block, would it work to wait until, say Gemini or Virgo was Rising? Or maybe on the Midheaven?
Many of the planetary energies are initiators, but they are somewhat limited to certain areas in which they do it best.I also thought of Mercury being used as a great initial energy to get something started, as the act of writing something down on paper, or even speaking it into the ethers, significantly increases chances of success.
Ok, care to share one example of how and for what purpose you, personally, might invoke/use it or how you've used it in the past? Maybe some detail of what it entails?
::Just peeking in to this thread::
StillOne, I know this question was not addressed to me but, I thought I would briefly chime in. My understanding is that the major part of energizing a planetary talisman is in the appropriate time of its making. It becomes a living entity in and of itself. Intention and timing are most of the process. Of course, the materials the talisman is made from are thought to align the talisman even moreso with a particular planet over another one.
Generally, in consecrating or charging a talisman for use (or for you), the talisman is symbolically blessed with each of the elements, or cleansed and donned for the first time or annointed with an appropriate planetary substance and then worn for the first time; all this in alignment with the said planet's special day/hour/time.
It is a subject that is as extensive as astrology its self.
You see more of this type of thing being used in Vedic astrology where certain yantras, stones (talismans) are used to enhance or divert specific planetary energies seen in the birth chart or planetary periods one is temporarily experiencing.
Blessings,
Anachiel
divine g said:It's funny you should use the example of a child, bc that's the best example of untainted, pure energy. A child is just being themselves. They have their own natural way of being, which changes over time through the influence of adults primarily. The ability of humans to control themselves 100% , truly, is a rare thing, don't you think? How many adults continue to smoke, drink, fornicate, eat too much, even though they know it's bad? Yes, theoretically, as adults they should be able to control their urges, but this is a power that evades most "humans".
divine g said:Now, if they're not controlling themselves, who/what is? I wish I could find and post pics of me as a child, where you can clearly see Mars and Saturn in control of my appearance. From before 1 year of age, I would always make a mean, angry, snarling face at the camera when someone took a pic, and my family found it hilarious! What was controlling my facial expression? Well, Mars and Saturn were Rising when I was born, but I didn't know that! Neither did my parents. It was just the way the universe made me. (And while Mars and Saturn energies are within in me, I have NO control, absolutely ZERO control over the course of the actual planets in the sky, and how they affect the earth I'm standing on).
divine g said:While I understand your general view on controlling of self, and even getting into the science of transmutation, alchemy, and turning base metal of self into refined gold, I think this science has for the most part been set apart for the chosen few, if you catch my drift. Controlling yourself is easier said than done. (Kind of like that movie where Will Ferrell is thrown into the backseat of a car with a wild cougar, and his father says, "Control your heartrate!") Now I ask, Mark, if you were in that situation, could you do the same? All I 'm saying is, there are some things that are controllable, and somethings that aren't.
divine g said:Edit: "free will is stronger than any other force of nature". --Mark, are u sure aobut that? I'm all for exercising will power, and use it all the time, but free will is nothing against a force of nature like a hurricane or earthquake. At that point, you're dealing with God's will, and your free will means nothing, as you are the created, and He is the Creator.
It is true that magic is real, but I think you haven't gotten deep enough to see the Truth of human nature. What you call "base human nature" is what I would call "uncontrolled, animalistic expression of desire."
According to the triune brain theory, developed by Dr. Paul MacLean, Chief of Brain Evolution and Behavior at the National Institutes of Health, we have three brains, not just one. The brain stem or reptilian brain which is the oldest and smallest brain of the evolved human remnant of our prehistoric past, and similar to the brain possessed by reptiles that preceded mammals, roughly 200 million years ago. Then there’s the limbic stem or mammalian brain (the cerebellum) which developed later on and enables us to process emotion on a more sophisticated level, and the neocortex (cerebrum) which is the most evolutionary advanced part of our brain. The brain stem, responsible for self-preservation, is located at the base of the skull emerging from our spinal column and rules basic emotions as love, hate, anger, fear, lust and making quick survival decisions without thinking (irriational), like 'fight or flight'
source: ps-magazine.com
Take note that there are many humans that don't act this way.
I can point out an individual with strong Mars/Aries influences who has a terrible temper. I can also point out an individual with strong Mars/Aries influences who has great control over their temper. Therefore, I must assert that behaviour is not a reflection of the astrological forces at work.
Behaviour is a manifestation of an individual's reaction to all forces perceived. The extreme variation in behaviours under the same influences trips up a lot of studying astrologers, unsure of how to interpret it.
As is obvious in the application of magic, free will is stronger than any other force of nature. You can choose to be "aggressive, competitive, and sexual" or you can choose any other way to be. Truly, is this not magic?
Free will is the ability of agents to make choices free from certain kinds of constraints. Source: Wikipedia.com
According to (Aleister) Crowley, every individual has a True Will, to be distinguished from the ordinary wants and desires of the ego. The True Will is essentially one's "calling" or "purpose" in life. Some later magicians have taken this to include the goal of attaining self-realization by one's own efforts, without the aid of God or other divine authority.
Source: Wikipedia.com
If someone wants to say that this "aggressive, competitive, and sexual" way of being is a natural default, then I must say that it is akin to the blubbered, slurred expressions of a small child who simply hasn't learned to control himself yet. My main point is that people are supposed to grow to become better than wild animals.
Once you've left the starting point, the real astrological forces that are internal to you will change to compliment your current self. The natal chart is just a still picture.