Re: Energy Stealers
IT took some throwing together, may be relevant, may not, I would like to clean it up some and may later....it's not all mine, it does have a C-rite as well...but it can be shared, that is part of the C-right, I checked....you just can't profit from it materially, that is what the author asks. this is only a few sections...and it is done somewhat messy, but I'm short of time.
Kind of a long post.
[posted by copyrighter's permission so it doesn't go against forum rules - Moderator]
THE OPERATING METHODS OF A COOL GUY
A cool guy gets everything he wants by reverse vector, and operates on vector reversal himself, so, it seems he must really have a handle on life, and popularity. That is how considerations work. Daredevils, and criminals do very negative things, which, when resisted, appear very positive. They make a big racket, cultivate bad manners and bad comm cycle, never thank anybody, and so on. It works for them, but those cool dudes are digging a very deep pit for themselves. A lot of those goofy drugged up bums, and winos in the drop in centres used to be super cool guys, and criminal geniuses, only a few lifetimes ago. Their dichotomies beef up until they can no longer operate at that game.
A GUY WHO JUST DOESN’T GET IT – A NERD – DEFINITION - A guy who puts out a bunch of positive considerations, still not realizing that he will be mentally attacked every time he does so. A bunch of positive considerations from a High Toned being are perfect degrado food, because the degrado does not need to think, just disagree with every idea. scorn it, and knock it down. The degrado knows that the nerd could be a creative genius, and a very kind hearted individual, but hates the nerd for it. Degrado girls at parties watch positive individuals being chewed up, and they snicker. A nerd who masters dichotomies, and vectors can become very successful in life.
DEGRADATION – ANOTHER DEFINITION – The spiritual condition of having taken on the valence of matter, desiring to serve on a reverse org board, and covertly worshipping suppression.
A spiritual being on his planet has lost so often that he thinks he is very degraded, but he is actually a hero because he still maintains the viewpoint of spirit, and has not given over his spirituality.
THE DOLOROUS STATE OF MIND (below Anger on the tone scale)
The ancient Greeks used a crude tone scale to classify personalities: Sanguinary, Phlegmatic, Melancholy, Dolorous was below Anger.
Whatever seems to be your will, shall be opposed, by the dolorous personality. Since the dolorous mind state is generally one of weakness, and the desire to be effect, it gives in, briefly, and sluggishly to strong spirit command intention. When a big being leads, and commands a group of such beings, he knows immediately that covert sub groups are forming to conspire against him, and gathering conspirators to topple him. For that reason, being a natural leader, the farmer, Cincinnatus, absolutely refused to command the armies of Rome, unless enemy forces were swarming over the border, and only when the terrified Romans were pleading with him to save the nation. A truly big being, who tries to hold some famous command position, will quickly have mobs and armies of conspirators forming up against him, unless he is smart with vectors, that is.
Those in the dolorous mind state will not support High Toned leaders, but will strongly support a mad dictator who threatens, and abuses them, and falsely promises them world mastery, and prosperity, with a plentiful supply of slaves and victims.
Beings in dolor are simply unable to think for themselves. The one worlders demand that the planet be toxified with pesticides, and mercury, and that the media and education system be filled with threats, and degradation, because they desire that the masses be degraded into that dolorous state, which is so easily manipulated by vectors. High Toned beings hate to use vector propaganda because it is bluntly dishonest, but they had better understand it. The media today carries nothing but vector propaganda.
We know that when such a being communicates, with all those reversed vectors, society will automatically provide him, with an affluence of all kinds of pro-survival things and services, without his even trying.
When you are entitled to a return help flow from others, you should go right ahead, working vectors, in a sensible way, and allow yourself to have your return help flows.
Ivan Petrovich Pavlov pointed out that the dolorous dogs were all physically weak, and easily conditioned (programmed).
Above Anger, like attracts like. Birds of a feather flock together. Opposites repel. That’s straight talk, , and high toned power.
Below tone Anger, opposites attract. Positive repels positive. Negative repels negative. Thats jive talk, and that’s double talk. That is the power, and the attraction of sensation. To put yourself at willing effect, and covert cause, use Jive talk. It can be considered love talk. It is often criminal talk. It is used to press the buttons that have to do with sexual attraction, and a sense of play. It is also the Taming of the Shrew.
Master both communication styles, so that you can talk freely, and effectively to anyone.
THE DOLOROUS MATING GAME
contempt – admiration
rejection – attraction
hate – love
treachery – friendship
despair – hope
helplessness – power
At boredom...conservatism, a contemptible act, or a declaration of contempt are the permanent end of an association or friendship. Below Anger, the cool guy does one mildly contemptible thing after another, knowing that it will invert into admiration. He takes contempt, and rejection as a welcoming sign, and moves close in.
The cool couple also exchange contempt, knowing that it will invert into compulsive admiration. They exchange hatred, knowing that it will invert into compulsive love. They reject each other from the beginning of their association, knowing that it will turn into real, although compulsive, attraction. When they are together, at least one of the pair must maintain a continuing false, or genuine attitude of contempt, hatred, rejection and treachery, to prevent that relationship from falling apart.
INTERNATIONAL DECLINE IN TONE LEVEL
During the l950’s, the common tone level was about conservatism, Sales technology at that time was simply to raise someone to excitement about a subject, and they would buy. In those days, Vector Management was scoffed at. After the beginning of the 21st Century, Earth societies generally averaged arround apathy...fear. Vectors now have nearly universal power. The high-toned being may be baffled by vectors, and schticks because he never practices them, thinking they are unethical, or sleazy at best. At very high tones, consideration vectors come into plentiful use again, because a group, which is immune to vectors will often consider them an amusing game. Criminal groups practice Vectors all day long, because down at their tone levels, vectors are the only thing that work. Vectors are neither ethical, nor unethical. It is what you do with such tools, that counts.
HOW TO SURVIVE IN THE ARMY
There is intense cruelty during a military recruit term, and a further degree of unjust cruelty all through a military career. The officers leave certain soldiers alone, but they absolutely brutalize a few high Toned individuals, within an inch of their lives.
We know that NCOs are insane bullies, who are protected by military, and civil law, from the retribution, which they justly deserve. “Why do I always get picked on?” says the decent chap. The trick is to know the mechanisms on which these psychopathic junior officers operate, and to be better at it than they are. If you are a creative individual, (an ideal target, in other words), you already have the vector tools to totally buffalo these goombahs, and live a free happy life, even in the armed forces. Just baffle their weak little minds, but remember, you always need fresh material, or you will be crushed. If the sergeant screams, “You have a speck of lint on your uniform!” you might throw him off, by saying “I think I should kill myself, sir.” So you got away with it that time. You had better have a new line next time, or you will be scrubbing trash cans.
UNPREDICTABILITY
DIRECT POSTULATES, AND COMMAND INTENTION OVERRIDE VECTORS, AND CONSIDERATIONS, ONLY SO LONG AS THEY ARE TOTALLY NEW, AND UNPREDICTABLE, SO THAT THEY KEEP THE BANK OFF BALANCE. INTENDING RANDOMITY KEEPS YOU IN PRESENT TIME.
If a magick ritual works once, it will not work the second time, if done exactly the same way. The spells in witchcraft books must be followed in principle, but never in form. That is why witches often fail. Keep Creative.
SOME INTERACTIONS OF CONSIDERATIONS
If you repeat a consideration, it causes no material effect.
To get what you want, pretend to not want it, and repeatedly, lightly pretend to desire for the opposite, in new ways each time.
If you remain neutral, you are considered matter, and are neither attractive, nor repulsive.
If you remain neutral, and oblivious, you will be moved hither, and yon by the whims of others.
If you remain neutral as a being of light, other beings of light will wait until you originate.
If you as-is every vector, you will not be affected.
If you put out causative high toned intention, you will be opposed by matter, but duplicated by spirit.
If you repeatedly put out a varied outflow, or rejection, you will provoke an outflow from another, intended to make you inflow.
If you put out an intention, with a falling tone level, it will be accepted.
If you put out an intention, with a rising tone level, it will be scorned.
If you fight a vector, all will go down tone.
If you chase a motion, it will flee.
If you flee from a motion, it will chase you.
If you push someone out of your way, they will try to get back into your way.
If you repeatedly, variedly lightly reject what you desire, you will get it.
If you repeatedly, variedly approve of what you do not desire, you will not be forced to have it.
If you repeatedly, variedly pull in on something you do not want, it will be withdrawn from you.
If you repeatedly push away something, which you do not want, it will be enforced upon you.
If you put out tractor beams onto something, it will be taken away from you.(notice the loss of the water signs....they use tractor beams..TS)
If you put out pressor beams at something, it will approach you.(notice fire with this...the fire signs are magnets...TS)
If you reach slightly toward someone, and, when noticed, flinch away, strongly, you will be chased.
The auto repair industry operates on a mainly criminal basis. Some people get dinged, sabotaged, and defrauded every time they come in for auto repairs. Others assume a correct vector attitude, and the auto repair folks would never dream of doing anything but the best work, and never replace a part unnecessarily.
Bankers are trained to be opportunistic criminals. They currently have a large bag of costly tricks, and unnecessary charges, which they can do on uninformed loan applicants. Your vector control should be strong enough, so that a banker treats you with the greatest respect, and honesty, and probably saves you several thousand dollars.
There are Army Sergeant vectors, Flirting vectors, Undertaker vectors, Magistrate vectors, Diplomat vectors, Academy Awards vectors, and on and on, and they do not look like strait talk at all. WHEN YOU RELEASE ON ALL DICHOTOMIES,YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MASTER, AND CONTROL ALL KINDS OF VECTORS.
At the Olympic games, there are button-trading tents. The game is to trade or buy buttons, hoping to get the complete collection of one hundred fifty or so Olympic buttons. The sharks, in these tents, have vectors, which convince other people that their buttons are worthless, while the shark’s buttons are all of priceless value. These sharks make a great living with their vectors. Used car salesmen play a similar game.
High society party vectors are oooh so polite, but if you interact with these people, they can and will make you feel like an absolute dog in an instant, while speaking soo nicely to you, and you aren’t allowed to hit them. To protect yourself, you need to master their vectors.
The vectors of a Private talking to a swaggering Regimental Sergeant Major, must be very correctly tailored, because such a man hands out a day of latrine duty, on aberrated whims as light as air, but he does it on very exact mechanisms. Don’t think that honest, sensible statements will ever help you to escape latrine duty.
You should, be able to get into, and out of, a poker game, with ease. Suppose you want to leave with your winnings, or get out before you lose your shirt.
A vector reversal conversation simply does not make sense, unless you figure out the mind game, then it makes total sense, and it is all stupid simple.
Social interaction is one of life’s great mysteries. Thousands of books are written about it. Today; it is mostly specialized Vectors, also called Vector Management.
The greatest salesmen, the greatest Casanovas, the greatest comedians, these guys typically have an IQ of about 110. They must not be using intelligence. They are using Vector Management. That is the Gift of Gab. That is the Blarney. That is the ******** Baffles Brains factor. These people cannot control many of their dichotomies, so they must stick with their specialty areas in order to stay successful. A person, free from dichotomies should be able to operate vectors competently, and safely in any area.
THE SPIRIT OF PLAY
The court of King Arthur was only partly right when they answered the question, “What does woman want?” They said, “ She wants her way.” but they never finished the research, or witheld the rest of the knowledge. How does woman want to get her way? Subtly is how, because the interaction between men and women is often the effect game of desiring sensation, and that means vectors by the truckload. The woman, by her nature does not wish to initiate interaction. She likes to attract the action to herself. A man should be able to find, attract, and have a woman, with a high level of competence. There is a cycle of action here. A man’s service is to repeatedly draw attention by bravado stunts, repeatedly, lightly reject the woman with minor rebuke, and non-meaningful insults, Q and A with the rejection, then pause, so that the woman can make her intuitive, or spoken indication of approval, or disapproval. That is a typical example of how a woman wants her way. She likes to be drawn, by very strongly activated vectors. If a man prepares a strong attractive polarity, he must definitely reject women, otherwise he will certainly be repelled because two tractor beams make a repulsor ridge. One of the pair must be avoiding, rejecting, withdrawing, and so on, and the other must be seeking, attracting, admiring, and so on, or else vectors will spoil the relationship. Women are currently severely sexually attracted to men with powerful controlling, and contemptuous attitudes, then, not knowing much about vectors, spend most of their married lives moaning over the fact that they never get their way.
An couple who love each other, will actually find their chairs skidding away from each other across the floor, and that can be very uncomfortable. That is a typical interplay of masculine and feminine energy. To do life’s games with certainty, one must be very aware, of Vector Management, and must have no personal charge on the subject, which flip-flops a lot. You must be free enough to flip-flop much faster. There are an infinite number of creative ways to make this work.
There should be a large collection of synonyms for all the various vector factors, so that they can be cleared up....meditated upon. The collection would make an interesting book. Some ways, of rejection, for example, are scorn, criticism, disbelief, a light shove, laughter, refusal, disagreement, turning away, withdrawal, and disapproval. Check a thesaurus for countless synonyms for many vector situations, and acts.
Another Deffinition of Compassion:
COMPASSION – DEFINITION – Compassion is good will expressed as empathy, which permeates higher dynamics than the simply yourself, family, groups, animals, nature, other beings...etc.etc.. Compassion is an extension of personal beingness right through other dynamics knowing that they are self, as well as free beingnesses. By compassion, any number of beings can be the same person or the same dynamic at the same time, comfortably, and without conflict of interest. Compassion is a state of non-solidity, and love for one’s fellow beings, in a very high sense of the word.
There are times I think differently about how far one should reach with compassion.....it depends upon personal judgement and abilty IMHO.
Love is a tool...it is to be used...but there are those that will take advantage of ones compassion........and love can lead to mentalism, so it is usefull and vey worthwhile and a sign of a decent human being...but I do see that it could be overdone...maybe...I'm still working on this.
DO NOT DESTROY ALL THE COMPASSION WITHIN YOURSELF!!!!!
That is a denial of Life.
GROUP THINK - Since the organization has a group mind, it is a living thing, part group think and and part individual think the ideal ratio is about 55 percent individual to 45 percent group think. Sick groups run at about 95 percent group think. When a group gets that bad, better to let it die, and start over, than try to free up that much solidified group think.
Posting stuff like this actually causes me to get poked in very weird ways that I can not fully explain....
This may also be helpfull.
. THE ORG BOARD OF SUPPRESSIVE DEADNESSES, AND THE SEVEN FAKED SUBSTITUTES FOR COMPASSION
Suppressive deadnesses are destroyed compassions.
DESTROYED COMPASSIONS
Lack of compassions is what separates the suppressor from the spritual Being. The suppressor killed these compassions within himself, so that he could always unjustly rule over others. Thus he destroyed his own beingness, and now compulsively harms others, so that he can gloat from his dead viewpoint. The Suppressive decided to gain freedom and powers by never caring what harm or loss, or lessening of happiness may come from his crimes, or from the crimes of fellow Suppressors. When the suppressor lost his compassions, he developed fake substitutes, so that he almost seemed compassionate, but he was really fooling a lot of people, successfully.
DIV 1. Dub-in instead of duplication
DIV 2. Motivators (external prompters, or injuries) instead of responsibility
DIV 3. Curroiuls, Desire, Enforce, Inhibit, No, Rejected, scale, instead of Affinity, Agreement, or Comunication, Broad generalities instead of personal viewpoint
DIV 4. Conformity,instead of evaluation. They explain, teach, and uphold the status quo. Unreasonable conformity is simply an oppressed condition. They believe that a new idea is merely a misunderstood instruction. They believe that there are no new ideas. They thinkYou must have found it somewhere, or plagiarized it from somewhere.
(this actually is plagerized from somewhere to save myself some time....the Author gave his OK. The book is not for sale. I'm still looking much of this over myself, and have found it helpfull...some of it is slightly unnerving...I'm posting sections...it can be a rough read.)
DIV 5. The opinion of an Authority, instead of the certainty of personal observation.
DIV 6. Competition, and Conflicts over material goals, instead of higher toned, spiritual goals.
DIV 7. Arbitrary rules instead of principles.
The Seven Suppressive Deadnesses are horrible spiritual handicaps, which Suppressors have imposed on themselves, usually far back on the track. This self-murder was usually guided by priests of highly secret dark-side religions, some of which exist to this day. The Suppressors knowingly agreed to participate in the rituals, and willingly paid the price of eternal damnation for the sake of temporary pleasures. The powers, and sensual pleasures of the Supressor, are terminated when his victims free themselves, and leave, one by one.
The suppressive deadnesses are both an org board, and a grade chart. They are seven ways a suppressor is unable to interact intelligently. The deadnesses are restimulative weapons, which are deadly against an untrained spiritual being. The Seven Suppressive Deadnesses gradually enrich, and empower the Supressive, and gradually enslave spiritual beings, and that was the motive for developing them.
A High Toned beingn, who has managed to degrade himself into deadness is no longer a source of light. He becomes literally, a black button, or black dot. A high percentage of psychics and mystics, are exterior black dot dead beingsns, usually of a less dangerous kind. PHOTOGRAPHS OF SPIRITUAL BEINGS, AND SUPPRESSIVE BEINGS. If you take colour photographs of gatherings of mystics with some kinds of ordinary cameras, you will see, on those photographs, both orbs of light, and black dots hovering near the bodies. The orbs are exterior beings, and those black dots are exterior dead suppressive, or theety wheety beings, weakly pretending to be human.
Unreliable, but very real, psychic perceptions turn on when a being is dead. Magic powers also turn on, for these dead beings, but they are not under that being’s direct control. He feels he must be first inspired by muses, or some such thing.
Most dead beings can no longer gain pleasure from sharing survival and happiness with others, only from the suffering, and dying of others. In fact such a being feels that he shall surely perish, if he fails to cause agony, and perhaps death, for other beings. So far has he sunk.
5. HOW THE SUPPRESSOR MAKES INVITATIONS TO HATE
The suppressor invites spirit to fight against another kind of nothing, by inviting futile hatred, or futile attempts to contact spirit.
You can’t fight against a nothing. Spiritual deadness is a kind of nothing – at very very low tones An SP’s deadnesses are like the tarbaby, and a spirit communicator would be like Brer Rabbit. Suppressors are frustrating because you cannot get through to them with hight toned communication. Their deadness neutralizes your com. Then, when you start to communicate more forcefully, you are at that moment restimulated, and are less the spirit, and more the owned matter of the suppressor. The suppressor sees that you are restimulated, then he asks you to agree with the physical universe in one of the seven ways. When you do that, you are in a position to be attacked by one of the seven ways in which the force of a group overwhelms an individual. When you are overwhelmed by group force, you can be posted on a job, which serves mainly the SP. When you build up the production statistic of your job, you have built up the bonnes, which are fake power in the form of material accumulations. When the Bonnes are large enough, the suppressor can use their power to attack and injure individuals without fear of retaliation. When enough beings are injured, they can be enlisted into the service of a mad national dictatorship. When a mad dictatorship has enough regimented masses, it takes on insane genocidal projects, and wars, which kill off the population of that nation.
A typical example: The spiritual being prefers Affinity, Agreement, Comunication, to coercion. Every time the being makes an ARC commitment, the suppressor changes it somewhat, and coerces it The spiritual being says, “Now wait a minute. I made an Affinity, Agreement, Comunication, commitment but you are breaking that, by enforcing a slightly different commitment.” The suppressor, simply does not comprehend ARC, and keeps hammering away at the Curious, Desire, Enforce, Inhibit, No, Reject, scale. A workman says that the boss’s coercion to work harder, and get stats up, is harming.his health, and is interfering with his life. The boss makes a point of just not understanding the sufferings of workers, and he can’t understand that anyway, because he is dead in that area. The more Afiinity, Agreement, Communication, commitments the suppressive makes, the more beings he can force to work for him. He never makes Those commitments himself, because he is incapable of It. That makes a one way flow. All service and wealth goes to the suppressive, and the suppressive cares nothing for anyone else. So, he gets filthy rich on fake agreements, fake communication, And fake affinity..
6. HOW SUPPRESSIVE DEADNESS INVALIDATES SPIRIT
1. You are not making sense.
2. You are behaving suspiciously.
3. You are annoying.
4. You are unreasonable.
5. You are imagining things.
6. You are not cooperating.
7. You are not behaving properly.
Science is not the Authority of men in lab coats. Scientists are bought, and their opinions falsified at the whim of any supposed philanthropist. Science is a native attribute, of any being who can observe, with certainty, and compare those observations, with his own ideas. A free individual dedicated to exact observation, can far surpass the number of scientific discoveries made in the laboratory, and such an individual with a laboratory to serve him would make an amazing number of physically valuable discoveries.
A sane being must know the difference between observation, and meaning assigned to observation,and the difference between actual personal observation, and delusion. The dead being is unable to distinguish the second difference. A characteristic of insanity is the compulsive denial of the fact of the certainty of observation.
The dead being is incapable of being certain of observations, and incapable of comparing those observations with his own ideas. The suppressive compulsively disbelieves the certainty of personal observations, and compulsively refers conversation to the superstition of belief exclusively in Authorities. Certainty of observation is senior to logic, and also senior to all Authority.
The suppressive does not need ten cents worth of intelligence to defeat a High Toned Being in this kind of argument.
You must be in valence to operate on principles. The Dead Being simply does not acknowledge that principles exist. If you talk of principles, he can think of an arbitrary rule, or law, which you will break if you try to do the right thing, and operate on principles. If you try to explain a principle to him, he just won’t get it. He will compulsively redirect the communication toward arbitrary rules, and will not trust judgement.
Sir Walter Raleigh is credited with founding the British Empire, (assisted after his death by Benjamin Disraeli). Raleigh corrected England’s laws, developed the military, glorified her culture, and raised her economy to power. His reward was to be falsely accused, and beheaded at the tower of London. Raleigh, had time to analyze the causes during his final imprisonment. He stated, more or less that he now knew that it could not have ended any other way. He was doomed to be executed, from the first day of his career.
He was aware of the incredible strength of the suppressive forces, systematically following him, and installing reverse org boards.
HIGH TONED STABILITY POSTULATES
1. No, I won’t reduce my space. I have ethics.
2. No, I won’t take up a moral code. I have integrity.
3. No, I won’t be coaxed and coerced, I have understanding.
4. No, I won’t be belittled by retraining regarding forms. I have an idea, and logic.
5. No, I won’t consider that I might be delusive about that observation. I have certainty.
6. No, I won’t take up a material goal, nor the conflicts of an dirth material goal. I have a higher toned cooperative goal.
7. No, I won’t obey a treacherous rule. I have a principle.
These commands are highly restimulative. Try to hold your stability postulates, in a damaged group under supression group, and you will soon have lots of personal injury come to view, that is if they don’t crucify you first.
4. TO MOTIVATE DEAD BEINGS WITH IMAGINARY TROUBLES
You can sort of herd both oppressors, and victims in the direction you want by their non-confront on imaginary troubled subjects. This method works on you too, at least uintil you have cleared up allot of those issues in yourself. I do not recommmend the method, because it is self-degrading, but, on the other hand, it may be fun at times, especially if used on another being, who knows the game, and does not take it seriously.
Example, when you find that you are not being duplicated, and are being thwarted, you may describe your situation, which you wish to handle, as a collection of problems, pertinent to what you wish to have done. Example: “This place is such a mess Harry. My feet hurt. I need to get some sleep.” “Okay, June, I’ll clean up the supper dishes.” That was a creative use of imaginary problems. Going on up the divisions, you can mock up witholds, ARC breaks, service facsimiles, fixed ideas, failed purposes, and valences. People will do things for you because they think you are restimulated. You can get to be quite an actor, doing this. You can do this on other flows too. Okay, you are on your own
I don't recommend it.....but many do it already..some don't even know they are acting anymore, you'd be suprised, really,...once again...you are on your own
5. INVITATIONS TO BEGIN SERVING UNDER YOUR LOCAL SUPPRESSOR
1. Give up your communication reach, because you are not duplicated. Accept a social status, slightly inferior to that of the Dead being, and imaginary barriers to communication.
2. Give up your integrity, because no one is that responsible. Accept moral codes, guilt, motivators, hostility, and punishments.
3. Give up your understanding because no one has your viewpoint. Accept agreement, and coaxing, and coercion.
4. Give up your ideas. No one has such logic. Accept instruction in the status quo.Cognite that current forms are more important than your ideas. Accept a position as a laborer.
5. Give up your beliefs because no one has your certainties. Accept Authority, fixed ideas, and superstition.
6. Give up your HIGH TONED GOALS goals, because they are not real. Accept LOW GRADE MATERIAL goals, and take part in conflict.
7. Give up your principles. They are open to interpretation. Accept laws, rituals, rules.
When you succumb to one of these insane invitations, you have gotten yourself a big reading item. Meditate upon it..remove it if you can and know how...trace it down to a begining, the first instance...that is too painfull for many to do fully, and difficult to expain quicky even harder to do, otherwise it would have been done long ago. There is much opposition to doing such.
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