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Synastry Between Two Siblings

I wasn't quite sure whether I should create this new thread in the Natal and Predictive Astrology Forum or in Other Branches of Astrology, but because synastry involves the comparison of two natal chart, I decided that this board should be a safe bet. Anyway, I recently stumbled upon a synastry chart between my brother and I that I had created a while ago, and wondered if anyone here could help me interpret it. This is especially important to me because, as many of you may be aware of already, my brother suffers from autism and verbal communication between us is extremely limited. I would love to receive some astrological insight into our relationship and perhaps, one day, understand why he chose to enter this incarnation with such a heart-wrenching disability.

Something that immediately grabbed my attention was our conjunct natal Mercury...I find this extremely peculiar due to the nature of our situation. Yet they are almost EXACTLY conjunct each other, closer than any other two bodies in our synastry chart with the possible exception of my Uranus conjunct his Neptune. I know that this is significant, but I am having difficult determining what this symbolism may indicate. I thank you all in advance for taking the time to study this chart!

EDIT: Here is our updated synastry chart.



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One thing that seems to me to indicate your brother's social/communication challenges is he has Gemini (thinking, also talking) modifying least aspected (strong energy) Venus (relationships) opposite (energy is over-excited by) Saturn (duty, also restriction). This could indicate that it is challenging for him to "connect in" to relating/talking information, which makes the urge to communicate very important, but very challenging, because he is not aware of when he is communicating and when he is not. Since Saturn is the only connection into the rest of the chart, he may feel resticted in his ability to communicate.

And, looking at Mercury (thinking, also talking/daily work - Mercury is ruler of Gemini), it is focused in his 12th house (spirituality, also confusion - Mercury in the house of its fall - very challenging energy), indicating the possibility of confusion in speaking, since the 12th house "dissolves" whatever is in it.

As you have noted, you have strong Mercury (thinking, also talking/daily work) connections, which is especially important given his confusion about daily talking. Interestingly, the strongest, easiest Mercury connections are his Mercury connections to you, indicating he can communication with you. However, his Mars (being, also anger) also squares (energy needs to be combined with) your energies, indicating he could take his temper out on you, particularly on your daily communication (Mars squares your Mercury). In addition, your energy squares his Moon (home, also emotions), indicating your energy could be emotionally stressful for him. Also, his Saturn (duty, also restriction) opposes (energy is over-excited by) your Mars (being, also action), so he could restrict your ability to take actions with him in some way. And his Sun (self-expression) does not connect into your personal energy at all.

As with all relationship situations, the success at your inter-relating with your brother will depend on each of you wanting to relate, to work out the issues between you and your brother. I think it might be easiest to let him communicate to you in his own way, with you replying to his communications. This might lessen some of the stress he might feel if you directly communicate to him (your Mercury square his Moon and Mars). This Mercury connection of his to you may indicate for him a need to be listened to, with you as the perfect listener!

As always in these situations, you have worked with your brother on these issues over the years and so know best how to handle them. These are only some ideas which might give you a new perspective on this most challenging problem.

Wishing the both of you well,

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Hi Aquarian Maverick - me again. I took a look at your borther's chart and I want to share the information I'm picking up in the chart that I think speaks to your need to understand why he is in this situation. I caveat this by saying that this is what popped out at me..obviously this is a very emotionally charged area in your life..I pick up the feelings as I look at the chart. Please take a step back from what I say and try to detach from it so you can weigh what's true or not true.

As you know I'm a big fan of Sabian symbols so much of what I say here is referencing these as little stories we can get.


The first thing that stuck out to me was Chiron in 2 in Gemini opposing Saturn in 8 and squaring Jupiter/Vesta in 11. Whenever Isee a t-square I look at the open point as the area where the tension tends to outlet which in this case is 16 Virgo in the 5th house of self-expression. The Sabian degree 16 btw also is my Part of Astrology point in my 7th house which I find interesting. 16 Virgo reads:

166__(16)
CHILDREN CROWD AROUND THE ORANG-OUTANG CAGE IN THE ZOO The lesson which the very old can give to the very young in all realms. Vicarious experience. Inertia of instincts. Poise.
___*When positive, the degree is man's ability to strip himself to fundamentals and there stand proudly on his own, and when negative, self-justification in crudity or violence.

Chiron, the wounded healer in the sign of communication in the house representing what one gives opposing Saturn in the house representing what is taken away with a dedicated Jupiter in Pisces in 11 squaring both symbolizing to me a sacrifice for the good the group.

The next thing I looked at was the North Node in Sabian 30 Aries in 12. I wanted to understand the direction his life is meant to take and this is what the degree is telling us:

30__(30)
YOUNG DUCKLINGS DISPORT THEMSELVES MERRILY UPON A POND Essential social cooperativeness and appreciation of selfhood. Also a sense of inner restriction. Contentedness.
___*When positive, the degree is an accustomed competency or ease in dealing with immediate circumstances, and when negative, a tendency toward provincialism or an acceptance of life with an altogether uncritical complacency.

This sounds a little dopey unless you look at where he's come from which is Sabian 30 Libra South Node which reads:

210__(30)
A PHRENOLOGIST DISCOVERS MOUNDS OF KNOWLEDGE ON A HEAD Ability to read spiritual meanings in concrete objects. Objectification
of abstract truths. Cleverness in understanding.
___*When positive, the degree is a perfected integrity of self and an exceptional gift for furthering all progress, and when negative, a fatuous pride in mere intellect.

It seems your brother may have spent way too much time in his head at the expense of being in his heart. To me, this may be the reason why your Mercury and his Mercury are so close. This is a lesson he wants to communicate to you in my opinion.

Your brother also has a grand cross with Moon/Part of Fortune in Cap and in 9 opposing Pallas in 3 (weak orb but I'll get to this in a second), squaring Mercury in Aries in 12 and opposing the Vertex in Libra in 6.

Typically I woudn't call this a grand cross but in this case I think we need to think a little differently as these aspects seem to work together.

First let's look at Mercury at Sabian 17 Aries:

17__(17)
TWO PRIM SPINSTERS ARE SITTING TOGETHER IN SILENCE Poised and dispassionate outlook, involving either great dignity and integrity of self,or inability to live life fully.
___*When positive, the degree is an utter fidelity to self and all its special idealizations of its own capacities, and when negative, an increasing exaltation of shallow interests and a witless pretense of distinction and great virtue.

This certainly can give a picture of Autism especially with Mercury in 12 as part of the Grand Cardinal Cross. The strange aspect I found was the Moon conjunct the Part of Fortune but not so strange when the desire here is connect with the heart and emotions. The Part of Fortune Sabian is 18 Capricorn:

288__(18)
THE UNION JACK FLAG FLIES FROM A NEW BRITISH DESTROYER Extreme of objectification of inner resources. Challenge to life. Splendid self-realization. Full awareness of competition.
___*When positive, the degree is the self's ever-widening spread of interest in its insatiable desire to leave some permanent imprint of itself on everything it touches, and when negative, smug or strong-armed paternalism.

Again being drawn inward to realize one's self. This opposes Pallas which is he asteroid which can repattern and reorganize one's environment (3rd house placement right near cusp of 4). Again we are talking about getting in touch and reworking the feeling self. The Sabian degree for the Pallas placement is 21 Cancer which reads:

111__(21)
AN OPERATIC PRIMA DONNA SINGS TO A GLITTERING AUDIENCE Elevation and popularization of human values through art as a social factor. Supreme realization of the life-ambition.
___*When positive, the degree is an overflowing richness of self through its full command of its own deep and genuine potentials, and when negative, superficial self-affirmation and unseemly display.

Seems ironic that this is the expression of the repatterning however, there is much us mere mortals do not understand. When I look at the opposing Sabian degree to the Part of Fortune though we get 18 Cancer:

108__(18)
IN A CROWDED BARNYARD A HEN CLUCKS AMONG HER CHICKENS Constructively practical, natural approach to life and its simpler joys. Concern over things. Child-like group devotion.
___*When positive, the degree is a marked capacity for meeting every demand of existence advantageously and with a persisting self-fulfillment, and when negative, idle bustle and unprofitable labour.

I'll leave this to you to assess and evaluate as it conjuncts the previous Pallas position in environment and family.

Finally we get to the Vertex in the Grand Square. Typically I wouldn't look at it but since it represents fate and is part of this Grand Cross, I thought it was important to get a read. The Sabian degree is 18 Libra in the 5th house of self-expression:

198__(18)
TWO MEN PLACED UNDER ARREST ARE BEING BROUGHT TO COURT Responsibility of individual to society in terms of normal behaviour. Return to values. Obligation to face objective facts.
___*When positive, the degree is a heightened challenge to every special talent, and when negative, total inappropriateness of impulse and act.

This could be related to balancing out this "head" state we've referenced here quite a bit. I look to Pluto to give us it's polarity position to help us figure out the soul's evolutionary desire which in this case is 6 Taurus in the 11th house of the Group again which reads:

36__(6)
A CANTILEVER BRIDGE IN CONSTRUCTION ACROSS A DEEP CANYON Conquest of difficulties and limitations by intelligence. Directed effort toward solving a problem. Channel-ship.
___*When positive, the degree is the directness and the practical instinct by which personality achieves ultimate benefit of its powers, and when negative, a love of short cuts and every possible escape from the obligations of daily living.


Where Pluto has come from is 6 Scorpio:

216__(6)
CALIFORNIAN HILLS: THE "GOLD RUSH" SHATTERS THEIR PEACE The passionate quest for universal values, destructive of cultural ease of living. Leaping to opportunity. Avid seeking.
___*When positive, the degree is instinctive self-dedication to the unseen potentials of everyday existence, and when negative, a lack of practical discrimination and an irresistible desire for easy money.


So maybe we get a glimpse of some past life extremes which might cause a choice to really get in touch with self, emotions and heart. Remember his 3rd house of siblings is ruled my his moon which conjuncts his Part of Fortune which puts you in the mix as fortune but also part of the lesson here.

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I cannot thank you both enough for responding to my post with such compassion and insight...as you can imagine, this is a difficult topic for me. In some ways, I have been struggling to come to terms with my brother's condition for most of my life, searching for answers that seem far beyond my ability to comprehend. Why wasn't I born first; why did he have to receive a mercury-laden vaccination in my stead? My parents never had reason to suspect anything amiss in their strong, healthy little boy until the day his routine immunization went horribly wrong. I was not alive at the time, but I have been told that my brother (who was about two years old at the time) had a seizure and nearly died...what if I possess that same vulnerability in my genes?

Sometimes I feel an overwhelming sense of guilt for having escaped unharmed...I have been blessed with so many gifts, yet there was a time in which I wanted nothing more than to somehow dispose of the life which, had he been given the opportunity, my brother could have lived so freely. I will review both of your responses again (particularly all of those Sabian symbols) and see if something reveals itself to me. Thank you again!

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Why wasn't I born first; why did he have to receive a mercury-laden vaccination in my stead? My parents never had reason to suspect anything amiss in their strong, healthy little boy until the day his routine immunization went horribly wrong.
There are no accidents Aquarian Maverick. Everything is chosen at a higher level for a variety of reasons..this is why I was so honest with in what I found. I think you need to let go of the guilt and tune into the higher purpose of your family situation.

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There are no accidents Aquarian Maverick. Everything is chosen at a higher level for a variety of reasons..this is why I was so honest with in what I found. I think you need to let go of the guilt and tune into the higher purpose of your family situation.
You're right of course, but I have incredible difficulty in letting go of anything...must be that yod apex Pluto again

Do you have any idea how I may learn to tune into this higher purpose?

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Through making yourself receptive to it. By quieting the mind and listening to your heart. Sounds simple huh? Simple ain't easy.

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Your bro has A Sun Pluto opposition across the Asc Desc with Sun Mercury & North Node in the 12th (as you probably know)
There may be a familial thing & a personal thing for your brother re his autism - like he may have chosen this option this time around to go within in his life time
I have a feeling tho that later in life he may work his way thru the autism.
He has a very rich inner life & could have a very rich artistic interest too.
With the your mercury's conjunct I am sure he IS connecting to you very much.
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Re: Synastry Between Two Siblings

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... our conjunct natal Mercury...
Dear Aquarian Maverick,

What I will offer is maybe a little more broad than some of the other entries -- a parable, a story from my own life.

I was married to whose planets conjuncted nearly all of mine. His Mars/ my Moon; his Sun Mercury/ my Mercury; my Venus-Mars / his Moon; we both had Ascendants in the same sign with Midheavens also in the same sign. And I had a sort of psychic premonition that I would meet a man with his name and that I would marry him. It all seemed like fate.

There were several differences between us. The emphasis on his chart was of a shy person who sometimes lashed out aggressively; my chart said i was a somewhat aggressive person who turned wimp at the last moment. His chart said he approached things as a liar or in a deceptive way, and shaped his career around being self-absorbed; mine said I approached things naively and shaped my career around having difficulty with power.

What I learned was, having Mercuries that are conjunct simply means you hear each other loud and clear, it doesn't necessarily mean you understand each other! He was a fragile person and a liar and I maybe walked with cleats on and was perhaps naively honest. I heard what he told me, but what he told me was lies, and sometimes I wanted to hear lies, so I didn't hear past that.

We did make contact with each other -- he was under my skin from the beginning (of course, with all those conjuncts! -- plus, also having the conjuncted Mercuries!). But we approached the world in a different way. And on my side, I had expectations that he would be like me, since we were so much alike to some degree in many areas. So I felt very let down when I realized his modus operandi was to deceive. (After I paid off his bills, he left me, which -- foolishly -- was totally unexpected on my end.)

Additionally, his Saturn conjuncted my Venus/Mars. I tried to discount this before the wedding, but, in practice, the reality was, he hurt me in bed -- repeatedly -- and always said it was an accident, always said, "Oops! guess I just forgot about that scratchy old hangnail!" -- and then did it again. He was not trustworthy with me.

I think you can connect dots between what happened for me, and how it would be for you and your brother if the two of you were lovers -- and who knows what you were to each other in past lives? (Fortunately you and your brother have that nice Jupiter/ Venus connection. This sort of evens things up for the Saturn / Mars connection.)

But (forgive the long-windedness) -- in another vein -- I would be remiss if I did not also give you an account (the short version) of a chart reading I did of a newly-born infant. Numerous aspects on the chart indicated something with the child's intelligence -- and then there was this weird thing about her not being comfortable with happiness. So I took it all to mean she would be mentally retarded. I didn't say this to the parents, but I probably thought it was kindest to hint at what I thought was the truth.

By age three, the child had tested out with an IQ of 145 or something like that. By grade school it was clear she had a very challenging allergy to a certain food -- but her intelligence was very much intact! Yes, her chart pointed at the topic of intelligence, but freewill took her toward the opposite pole from where I thought she was going with that topic! My point here is, an astrology chart cannot predict with any certainty or precision such delicate matters as intelligence, autism, heterosexuality, or anything else. Freewill rules!

I assume you've read or heard of people like Temple Granden (who is autistic). There's so much more known about autism now than there once was. Now we know that autism is just an extreme form of hypersensitivity. I'm a great believer in the books about Highly Sensitive People, of which I think I am one.

(I am not implying that autism is just a way of being a little extra-sensitive, but I guess I am saying that an autistic person has a lot more going on inside their head than they might be able to tell us about.)

I understand your guilt. I'm dealing with aging parents, and am having a lot of trouble dealing with the fact that I want to help these old people I love and can't help them and feel very very frustrated. They never realized they would outlive their healthy years. Now they are trapped in bodies that don't exemplify who they and I always thought of them as being. The brain is not the mind. The body is not the person. The cover is not the book.

Perhaps the pain of your guilt will take you to a higher level of achievement than mine has been taking me. I wish you well -- I'm certain your burden feels heavier than mine, if nothing else because your brother's life will probably last as long as yours. But perhaps that will give you enough years to make peace with the difficulty of your situation.

I hope you found some value in this offering. I'm sorry I did not have more to suggest or provide.

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First of all, I appologize for my long-overdue response to your post, C Jayne.

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What I learned was, having Mercuries that are conjunct simply means you hear each other loud and clear, it doesn't necessarily mean you understand each other! He was a fragile person and a liar and I maybe walked with cleats on and was perhaps naively honest. I heard what he told me, but what he told me was lies, and sometimes I wanted to hear lies, so I didn't hear past that.
Due to the nature of my brother's condition, I do not believe that he understands the concept of lying, no less is he able to put it into practice. However, your experience with the relationship between conjunct Mercuries in a synastry chart--especially the idea that hearing and understanding are two very different things--was well taken.

Although I have already posted our corrected synastry chart in the thread titled I Have Been Using The Wrong Natal Chart This Entire Time!!!, I will also upload it here for convenience.



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First of all, I appologize for my long-overdue response to your post, C Jayne.

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What I learned was, having Mercuries that are conjunct simply means you hear each other loud and clear, it doesn't necessarily mean you understand each other! He was a fragile person and a liar and I maybe walked with cleats on and was perhaps naively honest. I heard what he told me, but what he told me was lies, and sometimes I wanted to hear lies, so I didn't hear past that.
Due to the nature of my brother's condition, I do not believe that he understands the concept of lying, no less is he able to put it into practice. However, your experience with the relationship between conjunct Mercuries in a synastry chart--especially the idea that hearing and understanding are two very different things--was well taken.

Although I have already posted our corrected synastry chart in the thread titled I Have Been Using The Wrong Natal Chart This Entire Time!!!, I will also upload it here for convenience.

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Dear AM,

I am adding Shawn's individual chart, because I need to be able to just look at it, by itself.

You and I are writing these things at a time when the server appears to be having some problems, so your individual chart is not available.

As I look over his chart now, a thought that comes to mind for me is, if Shawn were still able-bodied, the two of you -- it seems -- might really get under each other's skin! he's got that Capricorn stuff squaring all your Aries planets, and then he's a Taurus Sun, which is just so different from you with your Arieis/ Gemini mix!

Do his Earthy planets make you feel completed, or does it drive you crazy that he's so pokey and slow (or at least, his chart says he would be pokey and slow)?

Interestingly, each of you has Uranus conjunct the Midheaven (ironically, like the ex-husband I mentioned). This combination makes a person be a bit of a "loose cannon" -- someone who does things their own way, making a career out of being kind of off-center or unpredictable or even violent (the ex-husband had violent tantrums).

With you and your brother, you each have this thing -- which would suggest you probably don't hate each other for any outbursts, since you each have them.

I'm so tempted here to ask questions that aren't appropriate on a forum, like, how long ago was his accident? and, is the term "autistic" really accurate, from various statements of yours I've read on some of the other forums? I mentioned Temple Grandin in error -- she's a true "autistic," not from an accident, as with Shawn's medicine snafu.

Well, Shawn's chart shows his Saturn opposing his Venus -- fear of love, fear of happiness, deeply wounded somehow and now can be very cold, emotionally. Also, someone more knowledgable about Chiron and Black Lilith should comment on how those two are clustered right there with Shawn's Venus. Venus is the focal planet of a Yod, and with Gemini Venus in the 3rd house opposing Saturn, this guy would not want to form attachments to women even if he were physically well -- he would want variety or he would be afraid of intimacy.

With his Mars/ Moon conjunct, what he's attracted to, sexually (rather than emotionally, as with Venus, above) is a mother-figure, someone who nurtures him, which shows up on your chart with your Moon/Asc conjunct. (I'm not implying here that your brother has the "wrong" kind of feelings toward you -- just that nurturing is what he likes.)

With Jupiter sitting right on his Pisces Ascendant, he approaches things in a way both naive and pitiful -- he feels rather fragile, and would not mind letting someone take care of him -- and then he's got that cranky Mars/Moon combination in Capricorn, making him both pushy and critical -- and then the Taurus Sun, making him both stubborn and tolerant, but (Sun opposes Pluto) he wants control!

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Your combined charts -- I hadn't noticed this before -- show his Saturn opposing your Mars, and your Saturn opposing his Mars. In a normal relationship, this would be bad, but since you are more like a caretaker to him, maybe this creates some kind of stability -- balance -- between you.
Like, "I won't hit you if you don't hit me" kind of thing, or something.

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Back to your question about your conjunct Mercuries:

It was probably either Stephen Arroyo or Liz Greene who wrote that two people can work out the problems between them if they've got good interaction between their Mercuries. That's why your combined Mercuries are so interesting here. There are plenty of reasons for you to have difficulty between you, but you're trapped in the same small space (one nuclear family) and your Mercuries are connected. So, even without words, you "connect."

I used to know a married guy who sort of fell in love with a female friend because she understood how he felt about things before he was even able to put his ideas into words. He had me do their charts. Then it was clear: her Moon and his Mercury conjuncted -- and he had nothing this good with his own wife, although in the end, he decided his first commitment was to her and not to the other woman.

Your brother's Mercury conjuncts not only your Mercury, but also that whole cluster of yours in Aries. Someone whose planets are not "conjoined" as yours are (how did this get so long-winded?) has an easier time understanding the meaning of each individual planet -- Moon versus Sun, etc. You're at a disadvantage here -- for you, almost everything is Aries!

Hope that helps! -- CJ
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As I look over his chart now, a thought that comes to mind for me is, if Shawn were still able-bodied, the two of you -- it seems -- might really get under each other's skin! he's got that Capricorn stuff squaring all your Aries planets, and then he's a Taurus Sun, which is just so different from you with your Arieis/ Gemini mix!

Do his Earthy planets make you feel completed, or does it drive you crazy that he's so pokey and slow (or at least, his chart says he would be pokey and slow)?
Pokey and slow...I love it! My brother is such a Taurus, autistic or not! :mrgreen:

Even when my brother and I were infants, my mother was able to sense these differences in our personalities and temperments; while I was a somewhat fussy child and constantly needed attention, Shawn was easy-going and could be left alone for long periods of time. He hated to see me cry and would immediatley stick a pacifier in my mouth as soon as I showed signs of distress; he'd even give up his toys if he thought it would make me happy! If that's not love, I don't know what is!

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Even when my brother and I were infants, my mother was able to sense these differences in our personalities and temperments; while I was a somewhat fussy child and constantly needed attention, Shawn was easy-going and could be left alone for long periods of time. He hated to see me cry and would immediatley stick a pacifier in my mouth as soon as I showed signs of distress; he'd even give up his toys if he thought it would make me happy! If that's not love, I don't know what is! Arian Maverick
This is really amusing!

But I wonder, was it partly just that, with Mars conjunct Moon, his way of asserting himself was to be nurturing?

Sounds awfully sensitive to me. Undoubtedly it was his Pisces Ascendant at work!

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This is really amusing!

But I wonder, was it partly just that, with Mars conjunct Moon, his way of asserting himself was to be nurturing?

Sounds awfully sensitive to me. Undoubtedly it was his Pisces Ascendant at work!
Oh yes, this was one of the reasons why the specialists were hesitant to diagnose my brother as autistic when he first showed signs of what they believed to be pervasive developmental disorder (PDD)...they did not believe it possible for a truly autistic child to be so emotionally responsive and have the ability to cultivate meaningful relationships. But our Shawn proved them wrong!

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Oh yes, this was one of the reasons why the specialists were hesitant to diagnose my brother as autistic when he first showed signs of what they believed to be pervasive developmental disorder (PDD)...they did not believe it possible for a truly autistic child to be so emotionally responsive and have the ability to cultivate meaningful relationships. But our Shawn proved them wrong!
Hey--

I'm not trying to be snoopy here, but I thought you said his disability was the result of taking medication to which he had a bad reaction.

"Truly autistic," I would think, would refer to a child born autistic who continued to be autistic -- yes?

Well, okay, maybe you would like Temple Granden's writings.

Here:

http://www.npr.org/search.php?text=autism

You'll find interviews of her, along with other interesting stories, at NPR.org. You can listen to them while working on something else.

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I'm not trying to be snoopy here, but I thought you said his disability was the result of taking medication to which he had a bad reaction.

"Truly autistic," I would think, would refer to a child born autistic who continued to be autistic -- yes?
Well, we don't know this for certain because--obviously--not every child who received this particular vaccination developed autism. There must have been some sort of predisposition or sensitivity in my brother's genes to have had him react so violently, but for all we know, this could have simply been a physical reaction and no further mental harm came from it. Indeed, this is likely the loophole the lawyers used when my parents filed a lawsuit and received absolutely no compensation :x

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As I look over his chart now, a thought that comes to mind for me is, if Shawn were still able-bodied...
AM--

If you look at my chart, you'll see I am all about getting upclose and personal. If this drives you crazy, let me know, and I'll delete anything you like.

But if not...

I've been looking at Shawn's chart, thinking about this topic of "if Shawn were still able-bodied..."

Long ago, during my Liz Kelly (the elderly psychic) days, a young man/boy came to her meditation group, with his mother. This kid (age 13 or so) had suddenly gone catatonic! According to his mother, he'd been perfectly (?) normal until one day, suddenly, he stopped being responsive, and now he was practically an invalid. She just took him with her everywhere. He came, he followed, but he wasn't present. That's the only way I can describe it. (I didn't exactly examine him -- I wasn't a doctor and he was, after all, with his mom...).

Anyway, she asked Liz for any help she could offer -- read Tarot cards, tell her when this would end or if it would end, pray for him -- anything.

I was giving Liz yoga lessons at the time, so we saw each other frequently, so I did the kid's chart and mentioned to Liz what I had seen. The boy's progressed Moon was conjuncting outer planet after outer planet on his progressed chart, ending with an opposition between his progressed Moon and his natal Moon. I certainly wasn't going to make any large statements about his astrological chart to this mother who was in such pain, but I wanted to share it with someone.

The mother telephoned while I was at Liz's home. Liz stepped away from the phone, asked me when those progressions were going to end, then went back to the phone and told the woman the boy's problems would end on such-and-such a day.

Actually, they did. Damnedest thing.

I would think, if a person, such as your autistic brother, doesn't communicate much, it might be helpful to "view" his life. In that spirit, I'll tell you what I noticed.

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March 6-2006 through Dec. 2006 - Uranus conjunct his Ascendant. Right now he's going through some kind of very important combination of things -- his transiting Uranus is also conjuncting his natal Ascendant. Then, here's an important progression that will be exact in Dec. 2006: His progressed Ascendant will conjunct his natal Mercury (right in the middle of Aries).

Progressed Mercury can act like transiting Uranus. Each of them really shakes up the person's way of handling whatever is being touched -- radically changes it. Since Shawn is not much of a communicator, from what you said, it seems like a conjunction to Mercury of any kind would be important. I'm afraid I can't burst out with anything wildly specific about what will occur, but I would think some kind of change in his approach to things -- ? -- to some extent or in some manner -- ?

These types of transits would sort of rattle a person's teeth -- make them see things very differently from the way they saw them before, but the "rattling" -- well, that might not be very pleasant. Someone who is autistic either gets overstimulated or needs a lot of stimulation. If he's easily overstimulated, this transit might signal a difficult passage for him.

May 2008 - Progresseed Sun enters Gemini -- making him shape his life to some extent more around change and communication . Sun is still in the 2nd house, so he's still got some of that Taurus energy, but maybe not quite so much.

Aug. 2008 - Progressed Venus will enter Cancer, (more significant for a Taurus, because Taurus is ruled by Venus) where it will be for 20 or so years. In some subtle way, his attitude about love and affection will be altered in some way -- instead of thinking of love as something he gets from his brain, it will likely become something which comes to him from a deeper place of nurturing. I can't say whether this will be a happy thing or an unhappy thing, at least in the beginning stages, because less than six months after this change, in ...

Jan. 2009 - Progressed Moon will conjunct Pluto and he will experience the ending of something important , and, this will occur in his progressed 7th house, which suggests that even for Shawn, it could involve the area of his affections.

May 2009-- Mercury also enters Gemini -- which would make him more of a communicator, I would think -- or it could simply hail a change of thinking, in some way.

Feb. 2010 - progressed Mercury and progressed Sun , both in Gemini in the 2nd house, will conjunct, which should cause some sort of shake-up in his way of expressing himself or in his overall life.

SEPT 2010-- Progressed Mercury will conjunct his natal Venus -- some kind of important shift in attitude about love and affection (which one would think is a much-needed type of lesson for him, so this is good). then, a year later ...

SEPT 2011 -- Progressed Sun conjunct Venus. I know someone who had Sun conjunct Venus during her youth and she received an allergy medication that helped her and made her life much more happy. Normally, you would say this is a time when the person might fall in love or have some significant event related to money (or self-esteem), which could be very important for a Taurus Sun person. On Shawn's chart, since his chart says he shuns contact with most people and his Venus supports the idea that he has a severe reaction to intimacy, I would think this Venus event would be very important. I didn't try to check out all the transits, etc., which will coincide with the timing of this event (trying not to obsess, here). The Mercury/ Venus thing sort of sets the stage for the next step, the Sun/Venus event. the Mercury/Venus conjunction should change Shawn's feelings (-- again, to some degree, I don't know how big a degree -- that's what free will is about...) about intimacy.

So I just thought you might find value in exploring your brother's chart. In a way, it's sort of like he defines you or creates some kind of outline around you just as my notorious parent defined me when I was young. Maybe that explains why I want to offer my help.

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Not at all...I'm a quintuple Aries, remember?

I am still attempting to wrap my brain around all that you have told me...this is very fascinating, indeed. Unfortunately, my brother no longer lives in our home, so I will not be able to personally witness his reaction to these transits unless he visits for the weekend. We will have to see what the caregivers in his residential home reveal--and that's another point of concern. My brother is only entitled to services until he is twenty one years old, and my family is concertained about his future...

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My brother is only entitled to services until he is twenty one years old, and my family is concertained about his future...
AM--

You may find information unavailable elsewhere in those NPR listings on autism. skimming over them myself, I found out things you probably already know, such as a helpful discussion of the two radically different types of autism -- very verbal Asperger Syndrome people and non-verbal on the other end. NPR has done little features on numerous strategies for dealing with autism -- they may have hit some strategies for dealing with the financial aspects also, I don't know.

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