Hi all
I'm looking forward to your comments on Sun Sign Astrology - do you think that there's something into it for you even now, when you are into REAL astrology ?!
I just read a message on 'young astrologers mailing list' on this. The message was written by Moses Siregar III, a well known...
I don't think he would mind me pasting it here. I don't have time to write my own now, but I stick to what he said:
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Moses Siregar III" <M.....@hotmail.com>
To: <youngastro@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:24 AM
Subject: [youngastro] Re: Sun Signs
Ah, a rather passionate issue, ye olde sun sign columns.
What I've seen is that most serious people in astrology start off
hating Sun Sign astrology. I think that's because in the beginning
you're trying to do something new and unconventional be accepted for
it, and Sun Sign columns usually make astrology look pretty silly. So
a lot of people want to distance themselves from that.
Maybe down the road, you start to understand the principles of Sun
Sign columns and why they basically work. You start to understand
solar charts and whole sign houses charts, and you go, "Wow, this
really does make at least some sense." Any time there is a planetary
ingress (especially with slower planets), it really is true that
everyone of a given sun, moon, or rising sign will experience a
certain kind of shift. Individual charts let you work out more
individual details, but if Jupiter is transiting into your solar 7th
house, then you are going to feel something fairly significant with
that IMO. I think that any competent astrologer should be able to
write a sun (, moon, or rising) sign column that has a high enough
level of truth to it.
Further down the road, when you're a dirty capitalist, you realize
that not only do sun sign columns have at least some legitimate
theoretical basis, but the general public also really likes them. If
you do Vedic, you could do really well with a sidereal Moon sign
column, since transits can be reckoned very well from the Moon
Lagna(ASC). Or you can do a rising sign column, which is pretty much
the same gig.
But generally it seems like the longer you've been doing astrology,
the more accepting you become of sun sign columns, but that's
obviously a generalization and it certainly doesn't apply to all.
I basically agree what you were saying here, Samuel. And I think that
if you are doing good astrology and telling people that sun (or moon
or rising) sign columns are just a fun little tip of the iceberg, then
it's a perfectly great way to reach out to people and promote your
business.
I wrote a Sun Sign column once, and I felt pretty good at it, but I
still couldn't shake that "dirty" feeling LOL, even though I was more
careful than anyone else I've ever seen to explain that this is not
anywhere near as good as actually reading your own individual natal
chart, etc. But I saw really quickly how people respond well to them.
One guy liked my column so much that he flew across the country to
come to my house and have a
session, and he was this really cool rock-n-roll guy that I've enjoyed
keeping in touch with. I enjoyed connecting with more people through
that column, but I just chose not to stick with it, even though it was
kind of fun to reach a more beginning audience. It did help get me
some business, and a lot of people told me they enjoyed it and were
looking forward to more, but it just wasn't the direction I wanted to
go in. But someone like Susan Miller has helped a lot of people that
the rest of us probably could never reach, and turned them onto
astrology in some way. I think the glass is half-full here.
On the 15 degree Sun thing, I see it a bit differently. To me, the
people who will respond most to these columns (after those with, say,
rising and/or moon in the same sign) are those with their Suns closest
to 0 degrees. That's because whether you use a whole sign chart or an
Equal House type of chart (both of which work very well IME), it's
going to be the same basic chart for a 0 degree Sun.
For ex, if someone has a 1 degree Aries Sun, then their whole sign
solar chart of course essentially has 0 degrees on each cusp, while
their equal house solar chart will have 1 degree on each cusp. These
two charts are going to be very close to each other, and thus the
predicted events and ingresses should get this person more powerfully.
The least accurate sun sign columns should be those with Suns closer
to 29 degrees IMO. That's because their equal house solar chart will
be almost the same as the *following* sign's whole sign chart. So
those people could actually read the sun sign column for the following
sign, and it should work pretty well in terms of events (though not
the psychology of the sign itself). The problem for these folks is
that there's a world of difference between a transit going into your
8th vs. your 9th, or your 5th vs. your 6th, and that 29 degree ASC
presents a funny problem because of the whole vs. equal chart
difference. So I think columns for those people are going to be more
muddled in accuracy.
The same could be said about ASC's closer to 0 degrees (low degrees).
Those folks are going to going to feel ingresses a lot more powerfully
and clearly in one single direction (i.e. house) bc of the similarity
in their whole sign and equal house charts.
Alohas,
Moses
I'm looking forward to your comments on Sun Sign Astrology - do you think that there's something into it for you even now, when you are into REAL astrology ?!
I just read a message on 'young astrologers mailing list' on this. The message was written by Moses Siregar III, a well known...
I don't think he would mind me pasting it here. I don't have time to write my own now, but I stick to what he said:
=============================================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moses Siregar III" <M.....@hotmail.com>
To: <youngastro@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:24 AM
Subject: [youngastro] Re: Sun Signs
Ah, a rather passionate issue, ye olde sun sign columns.
What I've seen is that most serious people in astrology start off
hating Sun Sign astrology. I think that's because in the beginning
you're trying to do something new and unconventional be accepted for
it, and Sun Sign columns usually make astrology look pretty silly. So
a lot of people want to distance themselves from that.
Maybe down the road, you start to understand the principles of Sun
Sign columns and why they basically work. You start to understand
solar charts and whole sign houses charts, and you go, "Wow, this
really does make at least some sense." Any time there is a planetary
ingress (especially with slower planets), it really is true that
everyone of a given sun, moon, or rising sign will experience a
certain kind of shift. Individual charts let you work out more
individual details, but if Jupiter is transiting into your solar 7th
house, then you are going to feel something fairly significant with
that IMO. I think that any competent astrologer should be able to
write a sun (, moon, or rising) sign column that has a high enough
level of truth to it.
Further down the road, when you're a dirty capitalist, you realize
that not only do sun sign columns have at least some legitimate
theoretical basis, but the general public also really likes them. If
you do Vedic, you could do really well with a sidereal Moon sign
column, since transits can be reckoned very well from the Moon
Lagna(ASC). Or you can do a rising sign column, which is pretty much
the same gig.
But generally it seems like the longer you've been doing astrology,
the more accepting you become of sun sign columns, but that's
obviously a generalization and it certainly doesn't apply to all.
I basically agree what you were saying here, Samuel. And I think that
if you are doing good astrology and telling people that sun (or moon
or rising) sign columns are just a fun little tip of the iceberg, then
it's a perfectly great way to reach out to people and promote your
business.
I wrote a Sun Sign column once, and I felt pretty good at it, but I
still couldn't shake that "dirty" feeling LOL, even though I was more
careful than anyone else I've ever seen to explain that this is not
anywhere near as good as actually reading your own individual natal
chart, etc. But I saw really quickly how people respond well to them.
One guy liked my column so much that he flew across the country to
come to my house and have a
session, and he was this really cool rock-n-roll guy that I've enjoyed
keeping in touch with. I enjoyed connecting with more people through
that column, but I just chose not to stick with it, even though it was
kind of fun to reach a more beginning audience. It did help get me
some business, and a lot of people told me they enjoyed it and were
looking forward to more, but it just wasn't the direction I wanted to
go in. But someone like Susan Miller has helped a lot of people that
the rest of us probably could never reach, and turned them onto
astrology in some way. I think the glass is half-full here.
On the 15 degree Sun thing, I see it a bit differently. To me, the
people who will respond most to these columns (after those with, say,
rising and/or moon in the same sign) are those with their Suns closest
to 0 degrees. That's because whether you use a whole sign chart or an
Equal House type of chart (both of which work very well IME), it's
going to be the same basic chart for a 0 degree Sun.
For ex, if someone has a 1 degree Aries Sun, then their whole sign
solar chart of course essentially has 0 degrees on each cusp, while
their equal house solar chart will have 1 degree on each cusp. These
two charts are going to be very close to each other, and thus the
predicted events and ingresses should get this person more powerfully.
The least accurate sun sign columns should be those with Suns closer
to 29 degrees IMO. That's because their equal house solar chart will
be almost the same as the *following* sign's whole sign chart. So
those people could actually read the sun sign column for the following
sign, and it should work pretty well in terms of events (though not
the psychology of the sign itself). The problem for these folks is
that there's a world of difference between a transit going into your
8th vs. your 9th, or your 5th vs. your 6th, and that 29 degree ASC
presents a funny problem because of the whole vs. equal chart
difference. So I think columns for those people are going to be more
muddled in accuracy.
The same could be said about ASC's closer to 0 degrees (low degrees).
Those folks are going to going to feel ingresses a lot more powerfully
and clearly in one single direction (i.e. house) bc of the similarity
in their whole sign and equal house charts.
Alohas,
Moses
Life is FILLED with "opportunities"...many of which I am not interested in. As to the warning about concentrating too much on the past...I used to review the past a lot, but I don't as much any more: live for the present is my motto these days. So this suggestion would be more appropriate for me for many years ago.