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Okay, this has been a question that has nagged me forever: If we have free will how can *anything* be predicted with astrology? I have not yet been able to find a satisfying answer to it. I flip back and forth between believing the future can be predicted using astrology, to believing that astrology is a complete waste of time, since, logically, nothing can be predicted if we have free will. Can anyone help me figure this out? It actually set off an existential crisis in me a few years back; I literally could not see much point in living if every experience we have is preordained; at that point, I chose to believe we have free will and that astrology was only good for being a psychological tool for self-actualization. Anyway, since then, I've gotten in to horary, which I question every single day. I want to believe in prediction because there are some things I want so badly (dont we all want some things so badly) and I want to know if I am investing my hopes into something for nothing. So can somebody explain to me what I'm missing- how can events in ones life be predicted if we have free will?
The concept of free will came to us by way of ecclesiastical fiat. Christianity is a theological disaster without it. If anything out of my control, your control, anyone's control could possibly prevent them from accepting Jesus, then Christianity is not the universal religion it claims to be.
Later on, the existentialists heavily picked up the concept of free will, but without religion, and modern astrology is big on it, too.
I have no reason to believe that free will exists. Your religious background may be different.
Okay, this has been a question that has nagged me forever: If we have free will how can *anything* be predicted with astrology? I have not yet been able to find a satisfying answer to it. I flip back and forth between believing the future can be predicted using astrology, to believing that astrology is a complete waste of time, since, logically, nothing can be predicted if we have free will. Can anyone help me figure this out? It actually set off an existential crisis in me a few years back; I literally could not see much point in living if every experience we have is preordained; at that point, I chose to believe we have free will and that astrology was only good for being a psychological tool for self-actualization. Anyway, since then, I've gotten in to horary, which I question every single day. I want to believe in prediction because there are some things I want so badly (dont we all want some things so badly) and I want to know if I am investing my hopes into something for nothing. So can somebody explain to me what I'm missing- how can events in ones life be predicted if we have free will?
So then, if someone comes to you, saying their child has leukemia. Do we just look at the charts and determine if the child is going to live or die? No use going to all of the time and expense of treatments and prayers if it is absolute and determined already.
So then, if someone comes to you, saying their child has leukemia. Do we just look at the charts and determine if the child is going to live or die? No use going to all of the time and expense of treatments and prayers if it is absolute and determined already.
Wow. See, you already brought up this stupid argument in a past thread because you think other astrologers cannot read charts.
Will you tell the kid's parents that his soul obviously chose for him to get leukaemia?
Let's not do it again.
If a child is very ill then it is up to his parents to get him medical help. They have the free will to do so, or not.
So I do not believe that there is NO FREE WILL> A couple can decide not to follow certain medical advice OR they can accept the chemo or the radiation or the surgeries.
So Free Will has an impact. They can decline or they can fight the illness with treatment. So how can one say there is 'no free will?'
Philosophy of determinism has been proven wrong by quantum physics. It is possible to have both free will and astrological prediction simultaneously, because prediction is based on PROBABILITY. Astrology can show us what is most likely to happen - there is no 100% certainty. There is always a "wild card" of free will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jint5kjoy6I
I don't think it is a stupid argument. And I don't believe that it is absolute that it can be seen for certain what every outcome will be. I do believe in miracles and twists.
I would never tell the parents that his soul chose to have leukemia/ Why would I do that?
I've seen you say that to people in this forum who have difficult charts and are going through a difficult time. I'm glad you don't do it to your clients, too, especially since it is your personal belief, not theirs, and it is upsetting people to hear.
I have done a lot of medical astrology in my career. And I have been in this situation, a few times. I would like to think that even from the charts I've read on this forum, you could see that I try to work with people, not terrorise them.
David, I get what you're saying about 'choice', but, God forbid, your kid is dying. Are you going to not help him? I expect that wouldn't be the case. It likely wouldn't for any parent who'd go so far as to consult an astrologer.
David, I get what you're saying about 'choice', but, God forbid, your kid is dying. Are you going to not help him? I expect that wouldn't be the case. It likely wouldn't for any parent who'd go so far as to consult an astrologer.
And it's not upsetting to tell parents their child's imminent death is foretold, and no matter what they do, treatment or no treatment, it is already set in stone, their kid is doomed?
I would find that much more upsetting then being told a philosophical belief about a soul choosing one's future incarnation.
I have no idea what you mean by quantum frequency because I haven't studied quantum theory. I'm assuming you mean that there are an infinite amount of different frequencies which would be like vehicles(?) for the soul to catch a ride on or incarnate into in order to learn/evolve? That this is how the soul excercises free will? But the frequencies are unchanging therefore there is no free will in the physical but only outside of it? Very interesting.