Bill Clinton A Presidential Destiny

[piercethevale]

I never wanted to get into political astrology. I guess I crossed myself when I took up the challenge...aka "The Great Debate"... of determining the true natal chart for the U.S. of A.
I've gotten such negative flak for what I produced as I've never experienced before from many of the 'Trad. Astrologers'...more so than I've gotten for the chart I produced that I'm 99.9% convinced is the true natal chart of Yeshu'a of Nazareth... that I've been examining these charts of well known American politicians, particularly Presidents, in order to substantiate my claim.
I've done an okay job of it with the Nixon chart [and I apologize for letting that thread be... as I've been meaning to get back to it] and I've also been doing some historical timeline charts...such as the Civil War, the U.S.A.'s entry into W.W. II, the Kennedy assassination and a few others that I'm not ready to reveal as of yet...but they are looking VERY positive, so far.
This morning I thought that I'd take a look at Al Gore's for a reason I have and thought, "What the heck? I might as well do Clinton's chart as well, while I'm at it." That was hours ago...cause it's a doozy.

Bubba's natal M.C. @ 05* Cancer 58' 56" is conjunct the USA's natal chart [Zero Hour, July 4, 1776 Philadelphia Penn.] Jupiter @ 05* Cancer 46' 18". and within 5* of conj. to the natal Sun of the USA.

His natal Mercury @ 07* Leo 36' 26" is conjunct by 01* 01' 18" to the USA's North Node @ 06* Leo 35' 08"

Bill's natal Venus @ 11* 07' 08" is conj. the USA natal Saturn @ 14* Libra 47' 04" by less than four degrees.

President Clinton was born with a very tight conjunction of less than 30' of a degree between Mars @ 06* Libra 21' 16" and Neptune @ 06* Libra 51' 04" and Neptune is within an 8* orb of conj. to the USA natal Saturn...barely in orb of aspect by my standards but it also pulls Mars into the mix because of this tight conj. ...imho...but the two of them are square the natal Venus Jupiter and Sun of the USA natal chart.

His natal Jupiter @ 23* Libra 13' 16" is conj. the USA's Desc. @ 21* Libra 29' 33" by less than two degrees. [...and if you all will kindly please pay attention to Jupiter in this thread subject because, so far, it has been coming up a lot.]

Clinton's natal Saturn @ 02* Leo 08' 08" is within a five degree orb of separation to the USA's natal North Node and also conjunct His own natal Mercury by just over five degrees of orb...and the USA's Part of Economy [Asc. + Saturn - Venus] is @ 04* Leo 02' 54" but as I said I have been keeping my standards of affect to the Astro-Parts as a conjunction in the same degree of the Zodiac. preferably, but when found in the neighboring degrees, I allow it, if it is within one degree of conj.

Natal Pluto for Bill @ 11* Leo 51' 23" is within orb of affect upon the USA's natal North Node and it is just over a degree of aspect to the USA's natal Part of Partners/Marriage [Asc. + C7 - Venus] @ 10* Leo 45' 23"


Now cones the fun part...Sabian Symbols...[I'm just going to tease you all at this point as the Oakland Raiders are playing tonight and I'm not going to miss this game...I just got a flat screen HDTV , my first, a 42" and I'm going to watch some football with a buddy from San Diego whom is here visiting.']

Bubbas' natal Mercury in the 8th degree of Leo

[From Dane Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala"]

LEO 8° "A COMMUNIST ACTIVIST SPREADING HIS REVOLUTIONARY IDEALS.

KEYNOTE: The emotional and ideological attempt to return to a state of non-differentiation and chaos as a prelude to a new type of order.

... [as was symbolized in Leo 06*]. The old order is confronted by the youthful drive for a new way of life and a new sense of values....

...This...ideally it could show how the vision of a cosmic order ... might heal the potential conflict between an obsolete Establishment and its youthful challengers ...."


Bill Clinton's natal chart

[piercethevale]

...Now check out the Bill Clinton~USA natal composite chart, The Part of Fortune is @ 12* Virgo 44' 43" ..that is the 13th degree of Virgo

[ibid.]

VIRGO 13° "A POWERFUL STATESMAN OVER-COMES A STATE OF POLITICAL HYSTERIA.

KEYNOTE: The focusing of the collective need for order and structural interdependence into a personage who incarnates the answer to this need.

... We are at the stage where a powerful realization of the very purpose of the cycle of existence faces the chaotic remains of a dis-structured past. The character of the leader is always delineated by the need, subconscious though it may be,...of entities he is called upon by destiny to lead. ...

... We have before us a personage endowed with CHARISMA, this elusive and mysterious power that comes from a man's or woman's openness to the power of planetary evolution."


Now if anyone still doubts that the Sabians are "for Real" and this chart for the USA, that I'm proposing, [I'm 99.9% sure of it] to be THE natal chart of the USA... Wait till I get done with Bill Clinton and the next couple of personas I'll be discussing here.
..but it's time for some football now...that and a beer.



Bill Clinton~USA natal composite chart

[piercethevale]

His natal Part of Fortune is @ 29* Gemini 48' 43" , the 30th degree of Gemini

[ibid.]

GEMINI 30° "A PARADE OF BATHING BEAUTIES BEFORE LARGE BEACH CROWDS.

KEYNOTE: The setting of social standards through personal excellence and competition.

In this very American scene we see a very ancient and basic process which can operate at several levels. Society sets certain collectively acceptable cultural standards, and recompenses by prestige and fame the persons who embody them, physically or mentally. This generates emulation and the desire to bring the social images to their most perfect and concrete manifestation. The archetypal image or canon of proportion is thus incarnated for all to behold and be fascinated by. The process of exteriorization is completed. ...."

...well, I hear He was quite the scholar....[didn't He make a trip to the Soviet Union on a scholarship? ...hmmmmm?]

[piercethevale]

President Clinton's progressed natal Part of Fortune for the Nov. 10th elections of 1992.
It is a 29* Aquarius 27' 22", the 30th degree of Aquarius. That is the same sign and degree that I get for the Part of [Spiritual] Service of Yeshu'a of Nazareth from the chart I've been championing as the legit natal chart for the Man.
By Rudhyar's revision of the symbol [one of the few He did change quite noticeably, yet did retain the meaning, imho] it is a representation of the 'White Lodge' also known as "The Great White Brotherhood" in every way...imho...of course!

AQUARIUS 30° "DEEPLY ROOTED IN THE PAST OF A VERY ANCIENT CULTURE, A SPIRITUAL BROTHERHOOD IN WHICH MANY INDIVIDUAL MINDS ARE MERGED INTO THE GLOWING LIGHT OF A UNANIMOUS CONSCIOUSNESS IS REVEALED TO ONE WHO HAS EMERGED SUCCESSFULLY FROM HIS METAMORPHOSIS.

KEYNOTE: The ability for the person with an open mind and a deep feeling for self-transcendence to come in contact with higher forms of existence. ...
... it is a symbol of spiritual group fulfillment — of CONSCIOUS TOTALITY OF BEING."


Bill Clinton's progressed natal chart Nov. 10, 1992

[piercethevale]

The Clinton~USA natal, progressed, composite chart's Part of Fortune for Nov. 10, 1992 is at, 15* Sag. 49' 51". That is the 16th degree of Sagittarius.

[ibid.]

SAGITTARIUS 16° "SEA GULLS FLY AROUND A SHIP IN EXPECTATION OF FOOD.

KEYNOTE: The easily acquired dependence of psychic desires upon the stimulation of social circumstances. ...

...[this symbol]shows us how nature can readily become subservient to man's restless ambition to dominate the entire biosphere through an all-human planetary socioeconomic organization. [Italics and underlining are mine. ptv] This is a symbol of DEPENDENCE."



The Clinton~USA natal composite progressed chart for Nov. 10, 1992

[piercethevale]

I find all the Quintiles in the four charts so very interesting.
The Natal chart has only two. A Moon-Saturn quintile and a Jupiter-Pluto quintile. Those would indicate a ingeniousness for controlling emotions...his own...and some ingenious ideas about transformative philosophy or vice versa, that is, a philosophy of transformation. Possibly, an understanding of how to transform philosophies or religions. [In an 'evil' sense, i suppose it could mean a genius for destroying certain philosophies, too.]

The Clinton~USA natal composite has a Moon, Uranus and Jupiter Quintile matrix that is incomplete at the points [my est.] 09* Scorpio 33' and 21* Capricorn 33'.
As both Uranus and Neptune were simultaneously in and around that degree of Capricorn in the first half of the 1990s. The end of December '93 and beginning of January in '94 is of particular interest as Jupiter was conjunct the point in Scorpio and Uranus was conjunct that in Capricorn with Neptune just over one degree of orb in conjunction on December 31st and around the 7th and 8th of January as Mercury comes into play and then...

...WITH A NEW MOON FOLLOWING ON THE 11TH EXACTLY CONJUNCT the point in Capricorn

and then, Venus comes to almost one degree of orb in conjunct to it and joins Uranus, Neptune, the Moon and the Sun, which, along with Jupiter within two degree orb of conj. in Scorpio and Uranus and Neptune both within one degree of orb in Capricorn and Mercury within earshot in Capricorn...that would a time slot to study history surrounding President Clinton and the United States to see what did manifest.
Also, Sept. and beginning of Oct. in '94 is of particular note esp. Sept. 19th as Venus was conj. the point in Scorpio.

I imagine with a little bit of effort, or someone with a penchant for history, could discover or knows of something interesting that is associated in someway with this astro-event.

Here's some news events that I found for that Jan. 11th

Clinton Withdraws Halperin Nomination

President Clinton, as expected, on Monday withdrew his controversial nomination of Morton Halperin for a new Defense Department post in charge of peacekeeping policy, at Halperin's request.

The nomination of a liberal, anti-Vietnam War activist to be assistant secretary of defense for democracy and peacekeeping had sparked harsh criticism from conservatives in Congress.

January 11, 1994...
The Clinton Administration is the first to acknowledge the computer's importance in the daily lives of Americans
Ways Sought to Lead Poor Onto Information Highway : Computers: Technology access creates a dividing line. Gore to discuss 'safety net' in L.A. today.

Clinton Sales Pitch Aimed at Ukraine Lawmakers : Diplomacy: The President is stopping in Kiev today to drum up support for pact on dismantling of country's nuclear arms.
[which followed up with]
January 12, 1994...
...Clinton Lauds Ukraine Leader, Vows to Boost Aid : Diplomacy: $900-million package would put Kiev in 4th place on U.S. assistance list. Money earmarked for helping dismantle nuclear arsenal.

[I know that Bill, having some Irish ancestry did try to obtain some healing in his ancestral homeland...I wonder if He had any thing at all to do with the following]
The Irish Government announces the end of a 15-year broadcasting ban on the IRA and its political arm Sinn Féin.

[piercethevale]

Just so as to acknowledge...the other quintiles I didn't mention in the above post are of Neptune-Chiron, Ceres-Asc. and Pallas M.C. for those of you that are using asteroids or studying them in consideration of validity of affects, as I am presently doing.
The Venus-Pluto quintile is the one I find the most interesting of the remainder of the lot. Keep this one in mind when I get to the progressed composite chart for Nov. 10, 1994 [note Sept 13, 2012 9:12 pm pdst. I wish to clarify that I am referring to the Clinton-USA natal composite chart in this post. Thank you, ptv]

[piercethevale]

The Part of Imprisonment for the Zero Hour July 4, 1776, Philadelphia, Penn. USA natal chart is 25* Gemini 45' 48", that is the 26th degree of Gemini.
[The Part of Imprisonment is that which you are kept from...that which you cannot employ..or embrace. example: Pres. Obama's part of Imprisonment is the 19th of Pisces, the Sabian Symbol for which is [ibid.] "A MASTER INSTRUCTING HIS DISCIPLE.[S]", {which is what I have for the Yeshu'a's/Jesus' natal chart Part of Fortune and is my Part of [Spiritual] Inheritance and Legacy.} Thus it is easy to conclude that it is saying that Barrack is not an 'Apostate'... He cannot embrace 'Christianity'. It also happened to be Amy Winehouse's Part of Imprisonment, btw... and everybody knows Amy was Jewish.]

The Part of Imprisonment for the USA chart is: GEMINI 26° [ibid.]

"FROST-COVERED TREES AGAINST WINTER SKIES.

KEYNOTE: The revelation of archetypal form and essential rhythm of existence.
[in a 'mundane sense']
... Externals are left behind. This is a step beyond "pruning"; it is rather a process of removal of all superficialities of existence.... all that belong to the "leaf" realm.
... In a sense we can speak of it as a stage of ascetic repudiation, but it is also one of ESSENTIALIZATION."

I edited the above to put it in a mundane sense because that's what we're dealing with here as to a nations natal chart.
Now examine the USA natal charts' Part of Catastrophe, which is @ 17* Taurus 44' 11", that is the 18th degree of Taurus [which happens to be my Desc....thus I know it quite well]

[piercethevale]

TAURUS 18* [ibid.]
"A WOMAN AIRING AN OLD BAG THROUGH THE OPEN WINDOW OF HER ROOM.

KEYNOTE: The cleansing of the ego-consciousness.

... The symbol suggests that the real enemy is within the mind; it is the ego and its attachment to possessions. The mind is shown in the likeness of a "bag," now empty and needing to be aired in the sunlight. But the "window" must first be opened and the bag emptied. The phrase "cleansing the doors of perception" has become well known of late. But even more to be cleansed is the ... the ego mind. The Keyword is PURIFICATION."


See? This nation was never intended to be one of a people 'That does without'...The Great Depression...that should not have happened. That so many are in poverty... Shouldn't have happened!

So, now take a look at the progressed natal chart of the USA for the Nov. 10, 1992 elections... [chart attached]
See the Part of Fortune...? ...it is the 26th of Gemini...!!!!!

[piercethevale]

I'll be back to continue on this thread in a few hours...I have to attend to some business...but for those of you that are knowledgable in using the Sabians ..check out the symbols for the chart axis for the Nov. 10, 1992 chart...and I wish to remind some of you and inform the others that the M.C. is the 4th of Virgo and that it is also the 12th house cusp of my Yeshu'a chart...it symbolizes ones' answer to the biggest problem that one sees the world facing... It is the symbol of BROTHERHOOD ...of EQUALITY...of DOING UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU!

[piercethevale]

The thing about the Part of Catastrophe, I've found out, is that in order to fulfill ones' destiny ...you HAVE TO have the ascribed 'Catastrophe'. It has to occur, if destiny is to be fulfilled.
For Yeshu'a , by that natal chart I produced for him on the date Edgar Cayce said He was born, the Part of Catastrophe is the 28th of Virgo. For those of you that don't have a book on the Sabian symbols or the access to, http://mindfire.ca/The%20Sabian%20Sy...20Contents.htm
symbolically it means [ibid.] "...Whether at the religious or at the socio-political and cultural level there comes a time when obsolescent patterns of order and cultural refinement have to be radically and relentlessly challenged. Catabolic personages emerge to seize power and dictate decisions that alter the structures of society..." by Dane Rudhyar's definition of the symbol.

For the chart produced by the birth certificate that is claimed to be that of President Obama's it is the 1st degree of Pisces and that is the Sabian Symbol of, [for those of you that don't know them by memory] [ibid.]

''IN A CROWDED MARKETPLACE FARMERS AND MIDDLEMEN DISPLAY A GREAT VARIETY OF PRODUCTS.

KEYNOTE: The process of commingling and interchange which at all levels demonstrates the health of a community. ...
... in the broadest sense of the word... COMMERCE."

...and quite obviously it will be President Obama's "Catastrophe''. [ In fact it may already be a 'done deal', as for having fulfilled that particular aspect of his destiny, as I don't think four more years of him being in office is going to improve the situation. So it could possibly be said that, "it WAS His "Catastrophe" ...and if He does get elected for another 4 years then it will only be a worse catastrophe, in my humble but very experienced and Astrologically educated opinion....of course] My own catastrophe, I fulfilled in '84 and it lead to this present endeavor..without having had my said ''catastrophe'', I wouldn't have ever started studying astrology ...might even have become one of it's biggest 'nay sayers' around as to any mention of the subject of it.

For the United States that Catastrophe is [or was] becoming non materialistic. If it had done so the 20th century would've had some major revisions to make in it's journal of World history. That is if it even would have survived it, the 'journal' that is...as I recall there was an awful lot of 'book burning' in the 20th century.
I'd like to think that this nation of mine has had its' 'Catastrophe' already...but for reasons I won't go into I don't think it has yet...not really. The 'Great Depression', as bad as it was I don't recall hearing that the great majority of the population ever 'aired out those bags' and became complacent with little or nothing to possess...listen to Eugene Mc Daniels tune, "Compared To What", and you'll hear in the lyrics, "...possession is the motivation that is hanging up the God D****d nation..." [ great tune btw... one of the few jazz tunes that made it to the FM rock stations here in the States backindaday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiDYXuI9uSQ ] If Obama does have another four years in office...we may just fulfill that part of our destiny yet.
what must be, must be...

[piercethevale]

But what of this Part of Imprisonment for the progressed USA natal chart in November 1992? Should we read it in the 'Spiritual' sense...or the material sense?
Let me now post that part of the text that I edited out for the 26th degree of Gemini in order to put it into the 'mundane, or material, sense' [...and, also, had to edit to achieve the 100 word, per post, copyright limit imposed here at this forum] to let you see it in the 'Spiritual sense' [ibid.]

"... a contact with archetypes and pure forms of individual selfhood is to be sought - also with the characteristic images ...of the culture. Externals are left behind. This is a step beyond "pruning"; it is rather a process of removal of all superficialities of existence. Cyclically, nature helps us to reach this state of bare reality. It is not that we experience the Buddhist's void (sunya), but rather that we reach the essence of our individual being, the form of pure selfhood which is the structuring power underneath all external features - all that belong to the "leaf" realm.
...In a sense we can speak of it as a stage of ascetic repudiation, but it is also one of [and Rudhyar's 'keyword', in summation of the definition of the symbol] ESSENTIALIZATION."

Is it possible that the stars were telling the american people that it's most Fortunate course of action as to fulfilling it's dharma at that time was to 'see thing as they truly were...stripped of those superficialities? Is it possible that it was telling us to look at the Candidates we were presented with as our choices in that manner?

[piercethevale]

Some interesting side notes.
One of which is the progressed USA natal chart for the day Bill Clinton was born, August 19, 1946.
For that progressed natal chart, just 11 days earlier, the Asc. went into Libra and the M.C. in Cancer . These are the same signs and degrees for the chart I produced for of the one from Nazareth a bit over 2000 years ago. The Archetype of chart axes as written about by Dane Rudhyar in his book on the Sabian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala", Part Three. Chapter Two, "The Cross and the Star". On Feb. 5th 1947 the Asc. was apprx. that of which I determined must be that of the revered one., i.e. 00* Libra 43'. On the Day of Bill Clinton's birth the USA progressed Asc. was @ 00* Libra 01' 29" and the M.C. @ 00* Cancer 01' 43". The Vertex for the progressed natal chart is conj. the Desc. of the prog. chart. in the 1st degree of Aries.

Also the progress Neptune and Mars are on either side of the Moon and Pluto in the Hebrews chart with the Midpoint in the 30th degree of Virgo, conj. that of the Christian Archetypes natal Moon. The 30th degree of Virgo also happens to be the Part of Faith for the USA natal chart I've been using, being as it is at 29* Virgo 10' 32". A strong placement for natal Mars and Neptune in this prog. comp chart considering the conjunction and the Sabian symbols involved.

Of interesting note is that the USA natal progressed charts' Part of Fortune on that day @ 06 Aquarius 09' 54" was conjunct the USA natal South Node @ 06* Aquarius 35' 08" and that Bill Clinton's Part of Innocence [aka Part of Naivete, Part of Disputes, Part of Lawsuits] is @ 06* Leo 45' 48", that is conjunct the USA natal North Node.

Also in the USA progressed natal chart for that day Pluto has made it's final return to the same degree in the natal, the 28th of Capricorn and that the progressed South Node of the natal chart is conj. Pluto.

Uranus, in the progressed chart, has been back in the same sign and degree as that of the natal chart but is retrograde and nearly about to leave for the preceding degree which is conj. the USA natal Part of Destiny @ 07* 33' 09". It began it's Final Return there sometime in late December or early January in 1776-7...I'll be getting around to determining exactly when and what occurred during that period as surely the destiny of the United States was given some sort of interesting effects via this transit at that time...and almost immediately after it declared itself a nation too.

Of the remainder of the comparisons of the natal progressed to the natal of the USA is that the progressed Lilith is within a degree of orb in conj. to the natal chart Vertex, and Vesta of the progressed chart is within a degree of orb conj. to the USA natal Part of Hyleg...and that odd little astro-anomaly I like to 'Throw In' charts I've been casting these past few months. Once again it makes a significant placement...getting to annoy me it is...


USA natal chart progressed to August 19, 1946

[piercethevale]

I 'm still studying all the charts to round up and sum up what all this has amounted to as per Bill and his Presidency.
So far this endeavor to provide some substantiation to the chart for the Zero hour of July 4, 1776 is going rather well, in my opinion. I have become even more astounded by the validity of interpreting the Arabic/Astrological Parts or Lots through the Sabian symbols and am becoming anchored in that view. Some of these new findings as per this thread I will include in a couple of threads I have going on the Sabians and Arabic Parts, here, and at another forum on the internet that I contribute to. I had been planning on writing a book on that subject but now I'm thinking of a much more expanded work and want to include it as a chapter or three in that effort. That should occur next year as I'm planning on leaving these forums and going solo with my own website. I plan on writing a piece daily or semi-daily and on the book at the same time. I never would have believed how much time writing on these threads consistently takes had someone told me before I started doing as such in 2008. Prior to then I only wrote about as much as I equal in one week at this forum alone.

One thing I would like to point out is, in the Clinton-USA natal progressed composite *[...or is it a composite progressed...? It actually is. That astrodienst labels them progressed composites is erroneous and rather astonishing I think, for a group that originally founded the web site to have used. What these charts are is a composite of the progressed charts and not a progression of the composite chart. I'll attach both the natal composite chart and the "progressed composite' charts for the day Bill was born, here with this post so you all can see what I mean. If those of you that already know this will suffer the rest of the forum and myself, so graciously, please. Thank you. You can tell immediately by the radical differences in the Sign and degree of the Ascendents of the two charts. ] there is a Lilith-Venus quintile*. Astrodienst, for some reason didn't identify it as such though, and seeing as how it is conjunct by a very allowable orb of 01* 01' 14" with Venus approaching* it should have been...I have to say this: "Astrodienst, you trouble me like women." [I borrowed that from the movie, "Lawrence of Arabia", Anthony Quinn spoke that line...sans 'Astrodense', thank you]..
Bill's natal chart doesn't live up to the 'lothario' that some people have seemed very want to portray him as such.
Pluto and Lilith are in perfect trine in the 12th degrees of Leo and Sag. with Venus in perfect sextile to both in the 12th of Libra. Venus is in a weak conjunction to Mars in the 7th of Libra although the Mars-Neptune conjunction aspect is know to produce some ...ahem...kinkiness and a bit of a tendency to seek out romantic encounters produced by the imagination. Yet, seeing as how all three of these Planets are in Libra I would expect a restraint of propriety would prevail somewhat...or most of the time.
But a check with a progressed natal for Bill for August 19th, 1996, his 50th birthday, shows that Venus had progressed to the 27th degree of Scorpio, Mars to the 10th of Scorpio, the Libra Asc. had become an Asc. in Scorpio in the 17th degree [mine is the 18th. and Bill's progressed M.C. was the 24th of Leo, mine is the 25th] The Mars- Saturn and Mars-Pluto sextiles had become squares and I can see a very likely reason that the improprieties of Bills second term might have been a bit expected if not tolerated...which they weren't...not entirely anyway.

* [Venus moves at about the ratio of 11 to 1 to Lilith on the avg.]

* [as there will be on Sept. 17th, 2012 along with Pluto, the Moon in an incomplete Pentagram at just past 10 pm here in California. The missing point being in the 19th degree of Pisces. I think many of you are familiar with how much that degree and its' Sabian symbol mean to me. I have a thread on this in the 'Event Astrology' sub-forum here at aw.]

* You can tell immediately by the radical differences in the Sign and degree of the Ascendents of the two charts

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I forgot to produce the chart for Bill's natal progressed to his 50th birthday...i.e. Aug. 19, 1996...as to the last paragraph in the previous post.

The M.C. for the progressed natal chart at this time is the 24th of Leo...I find it so appropriate for the M.C. as the Sabian for that point can be read as the "WHY" in a materially involuntionary/spiritually de-evolutionary way or as the "HOW" in a spiritually evolutionary manner.
It passed into the 25th of Leo at the very end of Feb. in 1997, just about the time the little liaisons came to an end, allegedly. I figure that their are some that must have benefited from the experience and would so attest.
The 24th degree of Leo symbolically says: [ibid.]

AQUARIUS 24° "A MAN, HAVING OVERCOME HIS PASSIONS, TEACHES DEEP WISDOM IN TERMS OF HIS EXPERIENCE.

KEYNOTE: The constructive use to which difficult past experiences can be put as examples for those who are still striving to overcome their passions.

Every type of experience can be made to serve a spiritual purpose. Every man or woman, however humble his or her status, can be an example to younger people who are still struggling to overcome or control the compulsive drives of their emotional-biological natures." [Italics and underlining for emphasis is my handiwork. ptv]

[piercethevale]

Here's an update. The Part of Libido [Energy, Stimulation] for the USA natal chart is @ 16* Scorpio 49' 46"...right where the Bill Clinton/USA progressed natal composite charts' Asc. was in the chart attached to the last post for August 1996.

p.s. Correction to the above...it's Bill prog. natal chart...not the prog. composite. [I've got too many projects going at the same time again. I apologize for the error, though it was obvious.]

[piercethevale]

So, the Lewinsky affair is said to have begun sometime in Nov of '95 and ended in March of '97. As no specific date in either month was mentioned I cast President Clintons' prog. natal charts for both the beginning of November 1995 and the Middle of March in 1997. [Actually, the 31st of October in '95 and the 15th of March in '97 {"Beware the Ides of March"}]
On October 31st, in 1995 the progressed Asc. for Bills' natal chart was at 15* Scorpio 59' 59" it was 16* Scorpio 00' 07" the following day, Nov. 1st.
On March 15th, 1997 is was at 17*Scorpio 06' 52", that is the 18th degree of
Scorpio having entered it on the 23rd of January prior.

President Clintons progressed natal ascendant was in the same degree of the Zodiac as the USAs' Part of Libido [Asc. + Pluto - Venus @ 16* Scorpio 49' 46"] was, from Nov. 1st 1995 until Jan 23rd 1997...the entire length of the Lewinsky affair.

I believe that this formula, Asc. + Pluto - Venus must surely be that of a "Part of Libido", wouldn't you all agree?!?


President Clintons' prog. natal charts attached for Oct. 31, 1995 and March 15th 1997.

[piercethevale]

It's interesting to note that the M.C. for President Clintons' prog. natal chart for Oct. 31, 1995 is the same sign and degree as the USAs' Hermetic Lot of Necessity, i.e. the 23rd of Leo;

The 23rd of Leo [ibid.]

" IN A CIRCUS THE BAREBACK RIDER DISPLAYS HER DANGEROUS SKILL.

KEYNOTE: The audacity and perseverance required to control and play with the powerful energies of the vital realm in human existence.

The horse has always been the symbol of the vital energies. In a wild state the horse represents the magnificent, raw, impetuous energy of the libido in all its forms. When tamed, this energy is put to man's service. There are men who have dominated their natural energies so well that they can perform spectacular feats. Here these achievements are seen within the context of a social function ...."

[piercethevale]

If you notice that the progressed part of Fortune for Bills' natal chart on March 15th 1997 was at 06* Aries 44', that is the 7th of Aries. [ibid.]

"A MAN SUCCEEDS IN EXPRESSING HIMSELF SIMULTANEOUSLY IN TWO REALMS.

KEYNOTE: The first realization of the dual nature of man and of the possibilities it implies. ...
...At this... stage of the... sequence of symbols we see at work man's capacity for [and Rudhyar's Keyword{s}] LIVING TWO SEPARATE LIVES..."

Well, it would seem that the man had been living ''Two Separate Lives", now wouldn't it?

[piercethevale]

Having to go around the internet to retrieve material that i had lost with the demise of my computer i was reminded of the Hillary chart I had and that it might serve some interests out there if I post it.

...as I wrote May 28, 2009 at actastrology.com, the following...
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There is some speculation as to Hillarys' correct birth time. Most sources give it as 8:01 AM on the given date. My good friend and spiritual confidante, clairvoyant Clarisse Conner says it is 8:05':30" AM due to the fact she wasn't breathing when she was born.
The difference of 4 1/2 minutes only changes the chart axis by a degree and all Arabic Parts that include the Asc. in Part computations by the same amount.
You'll notice that her Part of Organization, [Asc. + Pluto - Saturn] computes to be 05* Virgo 21'...it is conjunct her M.C.
Saturn was conj. this degree of the Zodiac in Oct. '07, retrograde in Feb. 08' and direct again in July '08.
Saturn had quite the effect, apparently, upon her career and her organization for her candidacy for President. It was the disruption in her organization which thwarted her campaign...by most all accounts
I find also that her Part of Advancement [Asc. + Sun - Saturn] to be at 03* Aquar. 49'...which was just conjuncted by Jupiter yesterday [at the time this was originally posted in early 2009]...and she was confirmed as Seccretary of State...are you all following me here?
I do find Sept. unnerving though as her Part of Assassination is at 25* Virgo 28' and Her Part of Death [Asc + C8 - Moon] to be at 23* Aquar. 15'...I truly admire and am fond of Hillary and hope and pray she will be okay.
Also there is another formula used for the Part of Death [Medval: C8 + Saturn - Moon] which computes to 21* Scorpio 25'...which interestingly is the degree of rising for the purported birth time of 8:01 AM which leads me to speculate and believe Clarisse hit this thing on the "Head of the Nail"...in saying she had been born not breathing...hmmmm, curious, isn't it?

...it seems she is right where she was destined to be all along...but, YOWZAA...a double Scorpio as Secretary of State!!!


[and this follow up post from the same website on the same day]


...and if you'll bear with me...just one more of these re-posts as it is so pertinent to this thread...


Greetings, I thought I'd mention three other Arabic Parts of Hillarys' that I know of and are in imminent aspect near conjunction with transiting Planets.
The Part of Popularity [Asc + Venus - Pluto] which is at 24* Aquar. 12'.
The Part of Unusual Events [ Asc + Uranus - Moon] which is at 25* Aquar. 52'.
And the Part of Seperation from Occupation, [Saturn + Jupiter - Sun] at 19* Virgo 31' and which was just conj. Saturn this past November 12th or so...and that is around when it was first suggested that she would find a place in Obamas' Cabinet and be seperating from her present occupation as Senator...

[piercethevale]

...and check out the Sabian for the 24th of Taurus, Her Desc. the "WHERE-TO" [or "WHOM-TO", as I sometimes call it.] of Her chart axis analysis.

...and the I.C. it's the same degree as that of Venus on April 2nd in the year 3 C.E. by the Gregorian calendar [A.D., if you prefer]...and read my thread on the Parts of Mother, Daughter and Son for the USA natal chart [zero hour 7/4/1776 chart] for some neat tie in with that!

...and note where Her Part of Fortune is... the 14th of Aries ...the Adam and Eve symbol...Yeshu'a's Part of Soul/Spirit degree... Miss X and my composite Venus degree.... She has stood with Bill through thick and thin... Bless Her Heart....