Trayvon Martin Unarmed Teen Killed - CCTV of George Zimmerman in Police Station

'…...Sybrina Fulton, said "There should not become a time when we are comfortable with burying our children. What happened many miles away in Sanford should be uncomfortable for you."

People who aren't looking for ways to improve the country and its communities are part of the problem, she said, adding that she's working to make Florida a better place.

Trayvon Martin's parents said Zimmerman racially profiled their son. "Is it the hoodie that really made the difference? Or the color of his skin? And if by one second, just by one mere second, we think that it's the color of his skin, then something is wrong with America.".....'



TRAYVON MARTINS MOTHER SPEAKS OUT AGAINST RACIAL PROFILING AND CALLS FOR RESPECT http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...acial-profiling-calls-for-respect.html?pg=all





'…..."It's not about Trayvon. It's about the person who thought he was suspicious," Fulton said and repeatedly urged people to respect themselves and each other, to remember that everyone is different and to think about what they can do to ensure something like Trayvon Martin's death doesn't happen again. "All you need is positive people. Positive does not come in a color at all."


Kendall Andrews said:
"You have to admire how Trayvon Martin's mom has handled everything
and she's not been violent,
not been aggressive,
been peaceful the whole time.
Even in horrible situations, some people can take things positively and do good with even the worst situations."....'



'….Chloe Cole was impressed that Fulton, has chosen to fight against racial profiling with words, action and love
because it's pointless to take a life in revenge;
that only results in another death.

Trayvon Martin Foundation is hosting peace walk and talk Miami February celebrating Trayvon Martin's life and telling young people "they have a right to walk in peace".
Fulton said Martin Luther King Jr.'s message of nonviolence is at forefront of her efforts,
she aims to lead by example.
"Racism is still alive. Racial profiling is still alive.
Injustice is still alive,
And we have to make a difference. We have to change this."...'

Murdered teen Jordan Davis still awaits justice after jurors could not agree on a murder charge

HOWEVER

'….Twelve jurors found Michael Dunn guilty of 2nd degree attempted murder
upon the lives of Tevin Thompson, Leland Brunson, and Tommie Stornes.
Each count carries minimum sentence of 20 years to maximum of 30 years.
Sentencing can run concurrently or consecutively.
Some familiar with Judge Healey are of the opinion he is unlikely to enter concurrent sentences.
So Dunn is looking at a minimum of 60 years in prison
on the 2nd degree attempted murder convictions.

The jury also found Dunn guilty of shooting a firearm into the vehicle,
the sentence of which is a minimum of 15 years. Dunn’s

sentencing is scheduled for 24 March 2014.....' http://blackbutterfly7.wordpress.com/2014/02/15/michael-dunn-guilty-of-3-counts-of-attempted-2nd-degree-murder/#more-2564


The successful discharging of a firearm charge highlights the fact
that Angela Corey inexplicably 'slipped up'
by not charging unrepentant child killer George Zimmerman with discharging a firearm in a public place
because Zimmerman was not law enforcement and so was endangering the lives of others
There was no evidence against innocent teen Junior schoolboy Trayvon Martin
Zimmerman was a Law student, particularly well versed with 'stand your ground' laws
as evidenced at trial by a previous teacher

On 26 February 2012
Zimmerman simply was angry that his wife had gone to her father's house
after a row, he was seething and looking for trouble
but at trial
Zimmerman's wife Shellie could not give evidence as she was still married to him
they are now divorcing.

Zimmerman's anger issues are well documented
ranging from domestic violence charges
to battery on a police officer
and the killing of an innocent teen junior schoolboy who was
walking home in the rain, chatting on his phone to an old friend since Kindergarten days


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'…..The jury hung on the murder charge for the killing of Jordan Davis.
Since deliberations were long, that's no surprise.
State now must decide whether to retry Dunn for murder of Jordan Davis.

Lucia McBath, Jordan Davis’ mother, says family has found some closure,
although would have liked a verdict on the murder charge,
BUT a hung jury does not convey disagreement with evidence and facts
simply conveys disagreement on common sense.
Common sense demands Dunn’s story cannot be true.
Were it true,
Dunn would have wanted police to know there was a gun in the SUV
rather than giving that story after he was apprehended.....'



'…. If or when re-tried,
State prosecutors need to focus
on the fact that the police could not search for what they did not know,
and polixw did not know about a purported gun
because the defendant chose to flee
and not contact law enforcement.

In addition to that,
Dunn’s theory that he exercised self-defense whether he reported it or not,
does not pass the common-sense test.
Without his reporting that he fired bullets into the SUV, it was an unsolved murder...'

Just find a new topic, JUPITERASC!

Fifteen million children across the world starve to death each year, a teenager in america commits suicide roughly every two hours, and over sixteen thousand Americans are murdered every year. Despite all this, JUPITERASC, you and every media outlet in America is incapable of finding anything else to be outraged about. Why is that?

I don't know if Zimmerman was motivated by racism. I also don't care. At the end of the day, it's just a man with a gun and the teenager he murdered. What infuriates me about this case is that it has gotten massive media attention just because of a racial element.

Also, JUPITERASC, you seem to be the only person still interested in this thread. Maybe everyone else realized that the world has too many problems to focus solely on just one of them?

Here, be upset about this nineteen year old satanist who stopped counting his murder victims at #22 instead.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-satanist-ive-killed-least-22-throughout-country-n31481

Or how about the latest ousted rapist in the NFL?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investi...ar-may-have-raped-women-several-states-n30616

These all seem like much more immediately concerning issues to me, partly because of the repetition of crimes involved, partly because they are recent incidents in which justice still has a chance of being served. Why not start a thread about them instead of staying on this one? The media won't be zeroing in on them since the crimes aren't about race politics, so you might as well do it for them.

Re: Just find a new topic, JUPITERASC!

Jesse Booth said:

Also, JUPITERASC, you seem to be the only person still interested in this thread. Maybe everyone else realized that the world has too many problems to focus solely on just one of them?

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claudette's comment posted just a week ago has clearly escaped your attention then

claudette said:

Yes, he is all of that and more.

Wow; has GZ ever changed a lot since that Hannity interview! All for the worse.

In contrast, Trayvon's parents have been the epitome of grace and courage under duress.

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Since you appear concerned regarding issues other than those that are the subject matter of this particular thread
then highlight them on your own thread

Jesse Booth said:

Here, be upset about this nineteen year old satanist who stopped counting his murder victims at #22 instead.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-satanist-ive-killed-least-22-throughout-country-n31481

Or how about the latest ousted rapist in the NFL?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investi...ar-may-have-raped-women-several-states-n30616

These all seem like much more immediately concerning issues to me, partly because of the repetition of crimes involved, partly because they are recent incidents in which justice still has a chance of being served. Why not start a thread about them instead of staying on this one? The media won't be zeroing in on them since the crimes aren't about race politics, so you might as well do it for them.

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Jesse Booth,

Jupiterasc-and others-continue to discuss the Trayvon Martin case because, among other things, it exemplifies the racism that exists in our society.

She/he obviously isn't the only person concerned, as there have been 59,727 views of the thread and 1,382 comments, including yours.

Additionally, thousands signed petitions and took to the streets in protest when George Zimmerman had not even been charged with a crime. It was these protests that undoubtedly spurred an investigation that led to him going to trial.

Yes, the other issues you raise are important. So, however, is racism and the unwillingness of our leaders and judicial system to address it.

The Trayvon Martin case brought this issue to the forefront, where it can no longer be ignored.

I for one am grateful to jupiterasc and her/his perseverance and astute astrological commentaries.

oops-I guess we were posting at the same time.

It is not unusual for JUSTICE to require time
before its implementation

In the case of innocent teen Junior schoolboy Trayvon Benjamin Martin:


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'…...Following the tragic killing of their son Trayvon,
Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton started a petition on Change.org
that turned a local tragedy into an international movement for justice,
inspiring millions to take action and call for charges to be brought against the killer of Trayvon.

On April 11, 2012 it was announced that a Florida State Attorney would be bringing charges of second degree murder
against the killer of Trayvon Martin.....'


2,278,959 supported their petition http://www.change.org/petitions/prosecute-the-killer-of-our-son-17-year-old-trayvon-martin

True. But it is not only unusual, but illegal to put someone on trial a second time once a jury has passed a sentence. If Zimmerman just happened to decide to gun down another teenager, he would certainly go on trial again, and given that, in this theoretical situation, Zimmerman has a history of shooting people, he would be almost certain to be found guilty. But he can never again be brought up on charges involving the murder of Trayvon. I know it's sad, but Trayvon is just another of countless incidents of justice not being served. For now. The universal laws of karma will inevitably come back to haunt George, not necessarily in this life, but the reaction to his action is still inevitable. I apologize for claiming you were the only one still posting on this thread. I had noticed that you were the only one posting twelve times in a row. This issue bothers me at times because many people attack the Stand Your Ground law rather than Zimmerman himself. This particular case is truly infuriating, with the guilty party being let off on a technicality, but statistically, Florida is better off with Stand Your Ground than it is without. To quote an article from The News Herald:

Of the 133 people who have used the “Stand Your Ground” defense, 76 were white. Forty (less than 52 percent) of these individuals were considered by a court of law as being justified in their use of deadly force without retreating, to protect their lives. Twenty-five of these 76 people were found in a court of law to be unjustified in their usage of such defense and were subsequently found guilty. Eleven cases involving whites who used the “Stand Your Ground” defense are still pending in the courts. Out of whites who used the SYG defense, less than 52 percent were found to be not guilty.

Forty-four African-Americans have used the “Stand Your Ground” defense in Florida. Of these 44 cases, it was determined by a court of law that 24 (55 percent) were justified in their use of deadly force. There were 11 African-Americans out of the 44 cases who were found guilty, while 11 cases involving the original 44 are still pending in the legal system.

In Florida, since passage and inception of the “Stand your Ground” law, less than 52 percent of the whites who used it as a defense were found to be justifiable in their actions and 55 percent of the African-Americans who used the same defense were found to be justified in their actions. African-Americans have successfully used the Stand Your Ground Law, successfully as their legal defense more than any other race (percentage wise) since its inception.

Firearms-related violent crime in Florida has dropped 33 percent in just four years, from 2007 to 2011. Coincidentally, over the same time period concealed carry permits rose a staggering 90 percent. All forms of violent crime have dropped 26 percent during this same time period.

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This was most of the statistical "meat" of the article, with only a few other paragraphs at the beginning and end, but for the full article, go to http://www.newsherald.com/opinions/...-statistics-behind-stand-your-ground-1.186953


In areas of society such as this, in order to make real progress, you must count victories in numbers rather than in appeals to emotion. Too many people have used Trayvon's death to further their political goals and to incite rage among their target demographics. This case has been turned into a political device for furthering propoganda and the interests of politicians, by both the left and the right. Trayvon has been used repeatedly a bargaining chip for race politics and gun control lobbyists, and as long as the case is a topic of interest, the memory Trayvon will continue to be twisted and warped to suit the needs of politicians. Is it wrong that I believe this to be an immoral abasement of Trayvon's death?

If it were an innocent white kid who was killed instead of Trayvon, I highly doubt the stand your ground law would even exist anymore.

IMO the law essentially gives ppl a license to kill the less wealthy minorities. The courts won't even consider it as murder unless it's a white/rich person.

Jesse Booth said:

True. But it is not only unusual, but illegal to put someone on trial a second time once a jury has passed a sentence. If Zimmerman just happened to decide to gun down another teenager, he would certainly go on trial again, and given that, in this theoretical situation, Zimmerman has a history of shooting people, he would be almost certain to be found guilty. But he can never again be brought up on charges involving the murder of Trayvon. I know it's sad, but Trayvon is just another of countless incidents of justice not being served......

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That's not completely accurate
because
although
State's case is closed for all time

The Federal investigation has not ended as yet

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'…....Justice Department's Civil rights division attorneys are working with FBI
evaluating Zimmerman case beyond that argued in state court.
Federal government has broader resources and authority to examine everything that went wrong in Zimmerman case
unlike the state’s prosecution, they have no reason to leave race out of it.

Justice Department’s intervention is made possible by state trial’s racial disappearing act.
Judge presiding over Zimmerman trial barred racial profiling evidence from arguments,
and so prosecution didn’t bother bringing it up.
Jury was instructed to rule based exclusively on evidence before them,
and that evidence made no reference to the idea Zimmerman may have followed Martin because he was black.......'



'…..Vincent Southerland, senior counsel for NAACP Legal Defense Fund:

“Race was clearly centerpiece of the case,
the reason for the encounter in the first place
and it’s the reason Zimmerman thought Martin was a criminal
from the moment he laid eyes on him.”

Local and state officials aren’t built for these kinds of racial investigations;
but the Justice Department is.

Edward Hailes, managing director civil rights law organization Advancement Project,
former general counsel for U.S. Commission on Civil Rights explained:

“Feds have resources to dig deeper into information previously overlooked.

Small police departments don’t have resources to do investigations that a federal probe can.”....'


QUOTE

'…..State’s colorblindness in Zimmerman case
allows better weaponized and capitalized institution
i.e.
- Justice Department -
to bring stronger case against all who wronged Trayvon Martin.

Had race been allowed in state trial,
federal government would have an even more difficult journey
and maybe not a case at all.


“If state had attempted to bring race claims while bringing homicide charges
and there was still an acquittal,
then the feds would have been blocked
from bringing race claims
under double jeopardy laws

Allowing state to bring a non-racial case
while preserving federal government’s prerogative to also bring their case

“works due to their different strengths, resources and statutory authority,”.....'

Speaking directly to The Ram: Did you overlook my entire post? You must have, because the statistical truth about Stand Your Ground passed completely over your head. African americans have used Stand Your Ground more successfully than any other race. It's easier to live in a world of emotion and outrage than it is to see the obvious facts of reality in front of you, isn't it?

And JUPITERASC: I don't see what the motivation for murder should have to do with the sentence. Whether or not the crime is motivated by race doesn't make it any more or less of a crime.

And of course the NAACP would find race to be the underlying reason for the crime. If it weren't for racism, Sharpton and all the rest of the race demagogues up on capitol hill would starve to death on the streets. Think about it. If people were to get it into their heads that racism is on the decline in America, and is no longer a serious, all-encompassing threat to our daily lives and freedom, everyone in the NAACP would be out of the job in a year. But God forbid we NOT portray the US as an evil, racist, fat bully.

Don't worry JUPITERASC, I know how laws work.

I am aware of the existence of hate crime laws, JUPITERASC. You don't have to explain my own reasoning behind my posts to me. I'm saying I don't think that race should be a factor in the prosecution of criminals. I don't disagree that racism is still an issue in America. I do, however, believe that murder is murder, regardless of the "reasons" the murderer had to commit the crime. If someone were to suddenly pull out a gun and unload a couple rounds in my chest, I wouldn't be at all concerned about whether he was doing it because the whispers in his head thought it would be fun, or if he saw me hold a door open for a girl he's stalking, or if it was because I'm some "little white punk." I certainly doubt Trayvon was worried about Zimmerman's reasoning behind pulling that trigger. Because no matter what the reasons, murder is always murder. Taking another person's life should never be any more excusable or despicable based on the underlying rationale of the killer. Honestly, I feel that hate crime laws only reinforce the idea that we're all different.

Jesse,

According to your profile, you turned 15 years old the month before Trayvon was shot.

Perhaps your perspective on the implications of this tragic event will change as you mature.

Jesse,

According to your profile, you turned 15 years old the month before Trayvon was shot.

Perhaps your perspective on the implications of this tragic event will change as you mature.

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...as you get older, you become less interested in actual evidence, and more of an emotional bleeding heart? Sure, why not.

My entire argument is that Trayvon is just one person, and that, while it is tragic that he died, every shred of factual evidence in existence suggests that conditions in America, as far as racism goes, are improving, and that Zimmerman was just another nutjob, rather than proof that everyone in Florida is a evil racist monster, and that laws that add on extra punishment to crimes based on someone's race are, in essence, also racist. And all you have to say in response is, "You'll understand this when you're an adult." That's a great opposing viewpoint and isn't even slightly condescending.

Two years of the Zimmerman case's publicity, right? In those two years, 32,000 Americans have been murdered, and 17,520 teens in America have comitted suicide. I can't even imagine what those statistics would look like if they were on a worldwide scale. And yet, despite all the suffering and death and horror going on every second of every day of our lives, one single death has gotten two years of our time, energy, and devotion.

All I've gotten so far from this argument is that for you guys, it's the principle that matters, not the actual problem.

'…....Zimmerman being able to walk away after the murder,
means Justice Department would have to look at the facts
about what the police did or did not do


Florida has its own hate crimes law
that allows for an enhanced penalty and reclassification of crime
(converting misdemeanors to felonies, as one example)
if racial bias is found in the underlying crime.


Many asked Florida state attorneys to bring hate crime charges against Zimmerman,
but they chose not to
and that might have been for the best.


Florida has a stronger hate crimes statute than most states,
but
it packs nowhere near same punch as federal statutes. ….'




'…..The record also suggests
Florida state attorneys are less adept at prosecuting hate crimes
than federal attorneys.
According to the state attorney general’s annual hate crimes report,
only 139 hate crimes were reported in Florida in 2011,
down from 334 in 2004.


Of the 2011 hate crimes, 81 were based on race, color, ethnicity or national origin.
Ninety-four of the hate crimes that year were against people as opposed to property,
which was down dramatically from 254 in 2004.
Hate crime reports have been low and steadily declining in Florida since 2007.....'


BUT


'…..those are just hate crimes reported from police departments and sheriffs.
Most never reach full prosecution.
State attorney general’s office Department of Law Enforcement says
Florida doesn't track number of hate crimes they prosecute, plea out, or convict.
Stats indicate prosecutors aren’t used to bringing those kinds of cases.
2011 hate crimes report said no hate crimes had been reported in Seminole County that year.


Conversely, Obama Justice Department’s civil rights division
convicted 141 people on federal hate crimes between 2009 and 2012,
74% higher than George W. Bush’s Justice Department.
They’ve also brought charges against 254 law enforcement officials
in 177 cases in the same time period....'

How about, instead of increasing the amount of time people spend behind bars for hate crimes in order to deter hate crimes, we just increase the sentence for all murders in order to deter all murders?

And why do you think that I would be at all convinced to your reasoning by telling me about how hard on hate crime Obama is? I've told you repeatedly that I don't think we should have hate crime laws. They are, in and of themselves, inherently racist. And besides, by making certain murders more heinous than others, you are also making other murders less heinous.

Why should Zimmerman spend more time in prison just because of his motivation for murdering a teenager? By the logic of hate crime prosecution, he wouldn't be as guilty of murder if he'd shot another white or hispanic person. How can that possibly be considered constitutional! By the twisted logic of prosecuting based on racial motivation, other motivations for murder are less evil. If you murder someone because you hate blacks, you shouldn't spend any more or less time behind bars than someone else who murdered his wife for cheating on him, or than someone who shot a police officer in a bank robbery. By the logic of hate crime laws, my life's value depends on the race and ethnicity myself and the murderer. If Zimmerman had, instead of shooting Trayvon, shot me, there would nat have been nearly as much outcry, since it was white-on-white crime, and that's a perfectly acceptable form of murder. If Zimmerman had been black, it's just more black-on-black crime brought on by a broken education system and by evil republicans who just want to opress minorities for sh*ts and giggles. I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Murders are all equally evil, regardless of their motivation.

As a former and longtime Florida resident, I will tell you that there has always been a problem with anger and resentment in this corner of the country. There are many reasons for these feelings ranging from old school racism, FL natives' (white and black) xenophobia against newer transplants and immigrants, generational poverty and lawlessness. These things put together has been the yeast that has fomented crime waves in decades past.

In the 1980's it was the drug traffickers wreaking havoc. In the 1990's it was armed robbers assaulting and murdering tourists in broad daylight. The 2000's were relatively quiet in part due to the PATRIOT Act and we had two Bushes governing, one of them was the governor and the other was the President. The 2010's seems have Florida going back to its violent ways, only with a different twist.

This time it isn't the thugs getting attention, but angry grown men killing black teenage boys and any other young man who gets on their nerves ever too much (reference the Tampa movie theater shooting). Now, the enemy is youth. But listen, Florida's always hated its young. I attended prep school for a few years there and teachers can and still use corporal punishment to discipline unruly children. When teachers did not resort to the use of violence against us they would verbally and emotionally abuse us. My mother complained to the school board many times and they did nothing because it is perfectly legal.

These disparities can make certain adults feel like they are well within their God given right to "set straight" unruly young. All of the teachers who used corporal punishment were black women. However, some of the white teachers and most of the school staff were great at crushing our spirit. As a child, you could never win. I dreaded mornings and looked at school like a war zone. At times, the school environment made me feel suicidal. These are not emotions children should be made to experience.

Given the Uranus in Aries (youth) square Pluto in Capricorn (elders) transit, these horrific events are hardly surprising. One can see how the austere adults (Capricorn) negatively perceive these young people (Fire) to be rebellious and unruly (Uranus) to the point of violence (Pluto).

Currently, the state of Florida is undergoing a new Uranus return in Aries, based on the date that the state was admitted in the Union (March 3, 1845). Also, transiting Pluto is making a conjunction to their Capricorn Moon in the DC (when factoring a noon time "birth"). Wait till transiting Uranus and Pluto makes a conjunction and square (respectively) to their natal Pluto in Aries in its 11th house. One thing to keep in mind is that both young men who were murdered (e.g. by Zimmerman and Dunn) were born when Pluto was in Scorpio. It is possible this Pluto generation of youths may adopt an eye for an eye given the water sign's reputation for retribution. Then, the you-know-what will hit the fan! In fact, this is tame for the time being given their age and inexperience.

What we need to nip in the bud is the abusive educational system there that acts as the precursor to these murderous atrocities. Most people are not born to kill.

'…..State attorneys pursuing hate crimes
are best helped
by what’s been thoroughly investigated.

The state’s hate crime report reads:

“The thorough and immediate reporting of hate crimes is essential.
Law enforcement officials will be in a better position to process hate-related crimes more effectively
only when a realistic assessment of the problem is known.”

HOWEVER

In the Zimmerman case
there is a proven longterm connections with law enforcement

i.e.

The New York Times has verified a Military Intelligence connection

"George Zimmerman Kid-Glove Treatment After Trayvon Martin Shooting, Connected to Family's Intelligence Connection"? http://www.reachoutjobsearch.com/201...treatment.html …....'


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'…..."GZ's grandfather, ROBERT WALTER ZIMMERMAN
born 5 February 1919 Chicago
joined U.S. Foreign Service 1947 after Harvard
died 5 March 1999 aged 80 Washington, DC, heart attack.
Grave site on wooded hillside offers clear view of State Department's diplomatic entrance.

As late as 1992 George's grandfather was working for CIA in Langley Virginia

Zimmerman's friendly terms with local officers allowed free access to local police station
friends include Air Marshall Mark Osterman

Sanford police awareness of those strong CIA connections
apparently influenced their actions
there was no immediate reporting of any crime
and no investigation for weeks,
leaving state attorneys little to work with....'



David L. Barkey, Civil Rights Counsel said:

'…....“Unfortunately,
if hate crime not reported as hate crime
by local law enforcement
then it's never prosecuted as such.
So difficult to prove -
not only must the underlying crime be proven
but you also
must prove that the full intention
was to use bias or bigotry to do crime.”


“Idea is racism is only what you can see,
e.g.
cross burning, or Klan member,
but nuanced connections between race and criminality,
that impel someone to drive up and track someone down
before shooting and killing them
when they were doing nothing wrong
is not the racism of our grandparents,
but a more pernicious form of racism.”.......'

I agree that we need to fix the educational system, Kailaniatsea. Florida certainly sounds worse than most, but things are bad everywhere nowadays. With all the school shootings in recent years, something needs to change. And I can't help but notice that when I look back on my previous years in school, things seem to be getting more liberal as time goes by. If we don't find a better way to educate ourselves, America is just going to keep getting more crime-ridden and drop further down the totem pole of education(we're not even in the top half of 1st world countries now!). without an educational system that inspires us to do our best to succeed, there is no chance of us stopping our downward spiral into mediocrity.