What is wrong?

The question is "What is wrong with my heart?" I wanted to give this a try as I have not ever worked on medical issues and since I have one I thought, why not? I have had episodes of racing heart that have been increasing since about may and result in dizziness and nausea. My doctor has more recently had me where an event moniter but as they were waking me up in the middle of the night I was unable to hit the button in time to track them. I have read up on heart fibrillation yesterday and it can be very benign or major medical problem. They are setting me up for a stress test and ultrasound next week. I hate having to go through all this but it is quite peculiar and it does seem to be getting worse (or I am just noticing it). I used the first house ruler (physical body) and 6th (cause of illness). I am merc peregrine and in jupiters term, venus rulership and saturns face. Since mars and venus are both in the first house I will use them as descriptors too. Mars is in detriment. Mars can be indicator of surgery and also mars can be indicator that things will not work out as feared.It rules 8th of anxeity and death. Since merc has already passed it I can say I am not dead so must be anxiety Venus is a benefit (though past) it rules 2nd of worth. The sixth house ruler is saturn found in the 12th house of confinement, hospitization and also psychological issues (I do feel like I am worrying to much about this). Saturn is combust under the suns rays which weakens it. The sun is the heart and it is opposite uranus (erratic heart rate) The sun rules the 12th of confinement, psychological issues etc. I am not sure what that means. i can not pull that together: the sun is weakening the cause? The sun will not allow me to see the cause? The sun in merc and saturn in merc is sign of hypochondriac, blood circulation, doctors offices? the moon is void of course. Its last aspected a trine to the sun and squares to the asc and conjunction with jupiter. It is void of course in the 4th...the end of the matter...nothing will come of the matter or no good will happen? The 12th is the joy of Saturn who dlights in obstruction and undoing. Part of the reason I am getting the stress is to rule out a possible obstruction or previous heart issue not known to me that causes the disruption of electrical flow. The moon is in determint in cap. but accidently dignified in the 4th. Saturn the cause is also void of course as is the sun...so again nothing will come of the matter. Merc/venus/and mars are in jupiters terms and jupiter rules the end of the matter and is a beneficial and though it is in fall it is accidently dignified and fall indicates that though not great now not all hope is lost So that is my most optimistic view point I know I could read this completely different with saturn in the house of hospitalization and mars for surgery in the fiirst and void meaning no good will come. I looked aat it as it was basically all in my head and the cause is some hidden stressors? but this is my first medical chart and there are things that could be read either way. Can someone give there interpretation as it will help me learn a little more about this stuff. I did have an odd dream last night (among many) in which I saw a doctor telling me that I did have some previous injury to the heart that is disrupting the flow of electrical impulses. I am not sure if that is moi just responding to the stuff I read late yesterday or something preparing me. WEll any thoughts are welcome....

Hi Cassandra, well, I can tell you that I just went through all of this beginning of this week. I also had what you described, irregular heart, almost passed out twice within a year, sudden high bloodpressure, then extremely low again and lately sharp pains in the heart area, so you can imagine ! At ,my age women get more often heart attacks then men so I decided to have it thoroughly checked. I had everything done, cardiogram, bycicle test, and a half hour ultrasound. Everything was OK. Before I look at your chart, just one thing to remember. Women get different signals for a heart attack then men. We dont get sharp pains in left arm apparently, instead we get extreme pain in our jaws!! (as soon as you feel that, immediately call a doctor!) We can feel very tired as well all of a sudden or indeed have nausea. Women can pass out. Men survive more often then women the first attack.

A heart attack (of a woman)can remain unnoticed until it is too late because the pain is often not there and women think it is just a temporary malaise. I read all this in Time magazine a while ago.

OK, You are Mercury, peregrine in Libra in term of Jupiter (the treating MD). You are in the hands of the doctor in other words.

You are also the Moon, also in detriment in Capricorn in term of Mars, ruler of the 8th of worries as you yourself wrote and death (fearing death).
But dont worry, that Mars is also in detriment, very weak and Mercury is just leaving him. Also Moon is leaving the square with Mars. It almost looks as if you did have a brush with death, but we know that this is not the case otherwise you would not be writing this request. I think therefore that it shows your recent tremendous anxiety about this heart issue of yours.

Now heart diseases and ailments are indeed signified by the Sun, Leo, the 5th house and (Jupiter/Pisces) according to the Rulership book.

The valves of the heart are ruled by Uranus and Saturn and Sun are both going to oppose Uranus in Pisces which could show an increase in the heart action irregularities.

But the rulershipbook also says that the heart of a female is ruled by the Moon, heart of a male by the Sun!! First time I read this so I am surprised at this.

The Moon is in Capricorn, in detriment and if indeed the Moon is significator of the heart in women, then it shows that something might indeed not be in good order with your heart.

Capricorn and the fact that Moon leaves the trine to Saturn shows some obstruction which must have started a while ago, about 7 somethings, (month probably, maybe even years). Note that Moon also left Jupiter exactly 7° ago (Jupiter represents the left heart ventricle, Venus the right one).

So putting one and one together, it would be possible then that there is an obstruction of the left heart ventricle which started some 7 month or years even, ago. Because of this, your heart starts beating irregularly.

I am no heartspecialist, nor a doctor, so these assumptions are purely based on what I think I see in this chart and by no means should be taken
seriously. It would be good however to know the real reason for your problems. Once a specialist has figured that one out, then it would be nice to compare it with this horary (or other interpretations by whomever comes after me).

I hope the problem is not too serious and that they will figure it out a.s.a.p.!
Do go through all the tests! They are not unpleasant at all.

All the very best! Starlink

Cassanra,

I was just looking over the chart just to see if I could get anything out of it, as I am a "beginner beginner" at medical horary. For some reason I was drawn to consider the co-ruler of Virgo - Chiron. It is retrograde in the 5th. The 5th house natural ruler is the Sun, which rules the heart. Chiron is in Aquarius which rules electricity, among all things (modern ruler Uranus). I read that to mean a problem rooted in the past (Chiron retrograde) that had to do with electrical impluses (Aquarius). I also found it curious that the Part of Fortune was exactly on the 5th house cusp. I started to just brush all that aside.
Then I went back and read what you wrote. This struck me:

I did have an odd dream last night (among many) in which I saw a doctor telling me that I did have some previous injury to the heart that is disrupting the flow of electrical impulses. I am not sure if that is moi just responding to the stuff I read late yesterday or something preparing me.

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Normally, I would not have felt confident enough in my medical horary skills to even post a trial answer, and I had not intended to make a post - until- I read that part about your dream. If I were you, I would take that dream seriously, and pay close attention to any future dreams you may have.

It's interesting, too, that if interpreted non-horarily, the chart seems to "play out" what happened in your dream. The 7th house is in Pisces
(person in your dream - 12th house). Ruler of 5th (heart) is Saturn in the 12th, along with the ruler of the 12th, the Sun, who is natural ruler of 5th. Sounds like a doctor (Saturn) in your dream (12th house), to me. Ruler of the 6th (health) is also Uranus(r) in 6th in Pisces. Sun is coming into an exact opposition with Uranus, signifying for a need for these things to come together - See the doctor in your dream, in person, maybe? Notice the flip-flop of the 6th and 12th - Pisces in 6th, (undiagnosed sickness in body disclosed in dream) and Virgo in 12th ( health professional in dream). The Moon and Jupiter in Capricorn in the 4th could show the roots of the dream, the upcoming tests - Moon is separating from a trine to ruler of 5th, Saturn.

I know this last part is not "horary", but I thought it was worth mentioning, for you to "put in your pipe and smoke awhile". Put it this way, I will be surprised if the tests do not reveal a problem along these lines, based on the chart and your dream.

Love and light to you
Please keep us posted with the results of the tests.

FL

Thank you all. I have been feeling (obviously) a little hypochondrical BUT My natal sun in leo is at 22 degrees in the 3rd and rules my sixth house and my moon is at 22 degrees in virgo in the sixth and rules the fifth. (well that is creepy...the ruler of the horary chart is virgo) And uranus has been flirting with a square to the sun and opp. to my moon and now here chugs saturn into place....I have poo-pooed that it could affect me and decided again since uranus is hanging out in my 12th that it is again psychological manifestation of these aspects but another voice is saying "you know don't ignore it...just kind keep it checked out". thank you both for your responses. I don't feel so like it is all in my head and thanks Starlink for sharing your experiences.

starlink that was a marvelous reply.

To the Op, I agree, there is a problem. But neptune is in the 5th. Do you take any medications, or have you before that may have caused heart damage? Even in childhood?

However it was a VOC moon when the chart was posted you say? So, perhaps nothing will come of the tests and that neptune may hide the truth this time around. Good luck.

Hello Freedomlover,
You wrote:

I know this last part is not "horary"

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but to be (awfully strict and precise), using Chiron is also not "horary" of course. the outer planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are only used as indicators of situations, sentiments, being confused and what else you can describe these planets with, but they should never be used as rulers of houses, nor as significators.
Strictly traditional they are not even looked at, but as we are now living in 2008 and not anymore in the 16th century, many astrologers do give them a glance. Personally I find them indicative of something important when they are placed very close to an angle, like Uranus does in this chart.
I still dont say he is the ruler of this or that, just that he signifies electrical shocks, sudden unrest, changes, divorce and separations, everything Uranian.

I can imagine you getting excited because of the dream and the similar placements in the chart, but it is not really how you should go about interpreting a horary chart.
I do believe in certain dreams warning us and I also think that Cassandra's dream could be telling her something.

Cheers, Starlink

Starlink,
You wrote:

Hello Freedomlover,
You wrote:

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I know this last part is not "horary"

but to be (awfully strict and precise), using Chiron is also not "horary" of course. the outer planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are only used as indicators of situations, sentiments, being confused and what else you can describe these planets with, but they should never be used as rulers of houses, nor as significators.
Strictly traditional they are not even looked at, but as we are now living in 2008 and not anymore in the 16th century, many astrologers do give them a glance. Personally I find them indicative of something important when they are placed very close to an angle, like Uranus does in this chart.
I still dont say he is the ruler of this or that, just that he signifies electrical shocks, sudden unrest, changes, divorce and separations, everything Uranian.

I can imagine you getting excited because of the dream and the similar placements in the chart, but it is not really how you should go about interpreting a horary chart.
I do believe in certain dreams warning us and I also think that Cassandra's dream could be telling her something.

Cheers, Starlink

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I know that Chiron is not traditionally used in horary, that's why I wrote this:

For some reason I was drawn to consider the co-ruler of Virgo - Chiron.

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It was more of an intuitive thing, which I started to brush off ( as I stated) UNTIL I went back and read her dream. The dream seemed to state exactly what I felt was represented by Chiron.
Starlink wrote:

I can imagine you getting excited because of the dream and the similar placements in the chart,.

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Yes, the exactness of my impression and the dream is what prompted me to post. I thought I made it plain that I did not really know medical horary, had only been "playing with it", and initially had not intended on posting. If I had not read her dream, I would not have posted.

I was just looking over the chart just to see if I could get anything out of it, as I am a "beginner beginner" at medical horary.

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Starlink wrote:

I do believe in certain dreams warning us and I also think that Cassandra's dream could be telling her something.

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And that was the only reason I posted, I felt I had a confirmation of her dream.

Starlink wrote:

but it is not really how you should go about interpreting a horary chart

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I was not interpreting the chart as horary, and I thought I made this plain:

It's interesting, too, that if interpreted non-horarily, the chart seems to "play out" what happened in your dream. The 7th house is in Pisces
(person in your dream - 12th house). Ruler of 5th (heart) is Saturn in the 12th, along with the ruler of the 12th, the Sun, who is natural ruler of 5th. Sounds like a doctor (Saturn) in your dream (12th house), to me. Ruler of the 6th (health) is also Uranus(r) in 6th in Pisces. Sun is coming into an exact opposition with Uranus, signifying for a need for these things to come together - See the doctor in your dream, in person, maybe? Notice the flip-flop of the 6th and 12th - Pisces in 6th, (undiagnosed sickness in body disclosed in dream) and Virgo in 12th ( health professional in dream). The Moon and Jupiter in Capricorn in the 4th could show the roots of the dream, the upcoming tests - Moon is separating from a trine to ruler of 5th, Saturn.

I know this last part is not "horary", but I thought it was worth mentioning, for you to "put in your pipe and smoke awhile". Put it this way, I will be surprised if the tests do not reveal a problem along these lines, based on the chart and your dream.

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If I made an error, maybe it was that I should have posted it to her in a PM, instead of on the thread, since it was slightly off-topic.

And then again, it's possible that my "feeling" and her dream did not mean a thing, in which case, again, I stand in error. But as I stated, I felt it was worth mentioning for her consideration.

One other note, on the topic of Chiron, and other objects not normally used in horary: I have found that they will add a layer of confirmation and additional information to the traditional ruler. I often refer to them for this, but not used" in the place of" the traditional planetary rulers. But that is only regular horary. As I stated, I don't really know "diddly" about medical horary, and have no history of trial and error with medical horary to see if it works the same way. ( although I don't see why it shouldn't.)

I hope this clears up any misunderstandings.

Respectfully,

Freedomlover

Hi Freedomlover,

If I made an error

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Of course you did not make an error!!

did not intend to teach you a (horary) lesson but I can understand that the way I formulated it maybe gave you that impression. I'm sorry......I fully understood from what you wrote that you were experimenting here, dont worry about that. I was mainly pointing this out in case other members with less experience then you, (I am talking about horary now, not medical horary) would think that they could use Chiron and the others.

Chiron, and other objects not normally used in horary: I have found that they will add a layer of confirmation and additional information to the traditional ruler.

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Yes, I agree, I also have that with the outer planets for instance. I actually never look at Chiron though. I think we automatically sort of look at other objects just to see if it might confirm what we actually also can see from the other traditional rulers. Uranus as ruler of Aquarius often does give a background sort of information and you can use it as such of course.

it was slightly off-topic.

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Oh well, this happens frequently in the Forum. I think it was really nice of you to go into it the way you did!

I don't really know "diddly" about medical horary

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Neither do I as a matter of fact. I just interprete the signs like in natal as I dont think that changes . But things like "the Sun for the heart of a man and the Moon for a women's heart" I found, reading the Rulership Book .

Cheers, Starlink

Starlink,

Thank you for the kind reply to clear things up.

Yes, it was this line mostly that caused the confusion:

I can imagine you getting excited because of the dream and the similar placements in the chart, but it is not really how you should go about interpreting a horary chart.

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I just wanted to make it perfectly plain that I was not giving a horary interpretation to the chart. I, also, did not want to cause any confusion to any new members, and those just beginning to learn horary.

Peace,

Freedomlover



to Cassanra:
You can have your thread back now. Sorry! Sending you best wishes that everything turns out well for you.

Freedomlover I did look up several drugs I was on and have been on As I child I know they gave me paregoric as I was colicky but I could not find any reference to it affecting the heart (unless my mom overdosed me and I was on Celebrex for a year or so due to a neck injury about five years ago. I still have fun pain and I did see that, as we all know, Celebrex got pulled due to heart related incidents but I did not read anything about long term affects after being off the drug. That is all I could find that basically related to your thought about neptune in the fifth. that did give me food for thought. Okay the other interesting thing about the horary chart is that the ASC is with one degree conjunct my natal moon. Does that just basically confirm that the chart is valid? I think it may confirm Starlinks rulership readings as the "moon rules the heart for women". I pulled a chart for the the day and time of the test...Sept. 18th and I check in at 7:00am (two days without my two cups of coffee in the morning too....arg) Is that what is considered an event chart? Thanks again guys...

Cassanra,

Freedomlover I did look up several drugs I was on and have been on As I child I know they gave me paregoric as I was colicky but I could not find any reference to it affecting the heart (unless my mom overdosed me and I was on Celebrex for a year or so due to a neck injury about five years ago. I still have fun pain and I did see that, as we all know, Celebrex got pulled due to heart related incidents but I did not read anything about long term affects after being off the drug. That is all I could find that basically related to your thought about neptune in the fifth. that did give me food for thought.

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Actually, I was the one who brought up Chiron in the 5th, not Neptune. (Is it getting close to Mercury retrograde? the miscommunications have been flying, at least in my sphere). I was focusing on the "electrical" symbolism of Chiron in Aquarius, so therefore urging you to pay close attention to your dreams, which is what the doctor told you in the last one. Many things can cause electrical problems, not only serious things like heart disease, viral damage, etc. - but also things such as too much caffeine ( your 2 cups of Joe?), diet pills,etc. I've heard that even electrolyte imbalance can cause it. I had a female friend who, around age 40, developed heart problems similar sounding to yours. Hers turned out to be a severe potassium deficiency. Fear and stress, being subjected to abuse in any form, can also impact things. (Traditional ruler of the ASC in the question is Mercury in Libra.) Many a person has been rushed to the ER with a suspected heart attack, only to find out it was stress overload. I have heard Chiron described as a "wound that never heals", so it could represent something that has "old" roots, such as an old viral attack from years back - or something that is constantly irritating, which is more descriptive of the list I gave.

FL