does astrology show indication of spiritual development?

myst1calz

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ive read some place about a branch of astrology called evolutionary astrology?

http://www.evolutionaryastrology.net/
http://kristinfontana.com/what-is-evolutionary-astrology/

since ive become more active on this forum, i notice astrology is much much more complicated and technical. but is our current astrological tools/instruments equipped to source out answers that may assist in the spiritual unfoldment of an individual or of mass consciousness?

in my very basic understanding of astrology, it seems that certain placements in a chart could show spiritual inclination and challenges in life that may lead one's path in that direction. such as loaded 8th/12th houses, mystic rectangles,grand trines,t-squares,heavy uranian influence,etc,etc. my personal chart looks very ordinary. i dont have the above mentioned but i do have a lot of fire and air though.:happy: so, with these type of astrological influences, it may only show a propensity for spirituality but doesnt seem to indicate of a type of spiritual unfoldment or awakening which is two totally different things.

im asking silly questions.. :) this may be a silly topic to discuss as the answer may never be found from an external source but only from within someone's feeling nature or through some rude awakening! as ive came to find out. painful but im more lighthearted about it. laugh more often. only show emotional intensity if it is warranted. never had a spiritual life btw. but had strong spiritual views throughout my life.
 
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Ruka_5

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I think ultimate potentials can be shown in the chart, but whether or not the person lives up to that is ultimately up to them. Free will.
 

Mahasvapna

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I wonder often about spiritual unfoldment, free will, and just how much of that there is involved.

See, from a slightly different point of view, there's a common question "Can anyone be a magician?" The answer of course, is yes, anyone can be a magician, magic is spirit animating matter - you're a magician because you eat, sleep, live, dream, etc., and are AWARE of doing it. It's a miracle that it all happens at all, but there you have it. However, who is going to actually become a magician? Only those that take an interest in magic...

And that's where the question of potential versus free will arises. Sure a chart may represent potential, and sure ultimately you can choose to develop to balance strengths and weaknesses... but will you? Without any outside influence, if your chart says that you have no particular interest in, say, 8th house matters intellectually, even though you have free will to pursue them, will you? Will it ever occur to you to do so?

By the same token someone's chart says that they are entirely materialistic, but unlikely to ever maintain a steady career. Sure they can if they try - but will the care to consider trying in the first place?

I wonder about the true utility of natal astrology in this regard, providence versus free will. I do think that you can 'overcome' your chart - that is, see your natural weaknesses and improve upon them or compensate. What, however, influences when or how free will shall be engaged in the act of doing it? And, is this slightly subtler level of the expression of free will, expressed somewhere also in the native's chart?

I don't know much about evolutionary astrology, but thanks for mentioning it where I would see it (providence!:wink:) - it certainly sounds like a fascinating concept.

peace
 

Mark

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The only reliable way I have ever uncovered to coax some "spiritual development" information out of a chart is by comparing it to the person. The chart is the "blueprint of potentials" and the person is actually being built. If the natal Sun is in Aries, how does it manifest? It could be the mark of someone quick to anger, but it could also be the mark of someone who can control anger more effectively than most. If the Moon is in Virgo, how does that manifest? The potential could lead to something constructive and giving, or it could lead to something destructive and selfish. Which one gets manifested tells you how spiritually developed the individual is. There is no chart factor which will tell you this. The only way to know is by examining what could have been and then looking to see what is.

P.S. Don't make the mistake of assuming that you already know how a well developed person looks! It is impossible to accurately gauge the spiritual development of someone who is more developed than you are. This is why students can't spot a teacher, but teachers can spot a student.
 
ive read some place about a branch of astrology called evolutionary astrology?

http://www.evolutionaryastrology.net/
http://kristinfontana.com/what-is-evolutionary-astrology/

since ive become more active on this forum, i notice astrology is much much more complicated and technical. but is our current astrological tools/instruments equipped to source out answers that may assist in the spiritual unfoldment of an individual or of mass consciousness?

in my very basic understanding of astrology, it seems that certain placements in a chart could show spiritual inclination and challenges in life that may lead one's path in that direction. such as loaded 8th/12th houses, mystic rectangles,grand trines,t-squares,heavy uranian influence,etc,etc. my personal chart looks very ordinary. i dont have the above mentioned but i do have a lot of fire and air though.:happy: [this tends to make someone a bookworm!] so, with these type of astrological influences, it may only show a propensity for spirituality but doesnt seem to indicate of a type of spiritual unfoldment or awakening which is two totally different things.

The soul's purpose in this lifetime can be seen by North Node and the Lessons your soul can come to learn....

Karma & planets +retrograde
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290
http://karma.astrology.com/pastlife.html

http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookKarma&NewDirections.htm

Retrograde planets
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22923
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-retrograde.htm
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/retrogrades
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5796&postcount=8
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5861&postcount=10

North node
http://www.cafeastrology.com/northnodesouthnode.html
http://www.astrologycom.com/nodes.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-articles/north-node-karma.php

http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com/search/label/North%20Node%20and%20the%20Quest%20for%20the%20Authentic%20Self
http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com/search/label/North%20Node%20in%20Taurus
http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com/search/label/South%20Node%20Seventh%20House
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/nodes
 

Suffering in Saturn

Well-known member
Have you tried entering your birth information at: http://www.terrynazon.com/natalreport.php?

My natal report as well as those for my family was free, each one between 13-17 pages and talked a lot about each of our spiritual journeys in this lifetime. It all seemed to make sense.

Another place to look is where saturn is located in your chart. I have saturn in libra (going through the dreaded return now) and it seems my biggest lesson in this lifetime is relationships. That has certainly been true.

Good luck!
 

dr. farr

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My answer to the OP's question is, yes (in my opinion and experience) it does, and I'll state that using the techniques of esoteric astrology, the natal chart shows direction of spiritual development more than any other factor in the life!

The best chart to use for making such an analysis is the natal D60 chart (long used for such purposes in Vedic astrology, where it is known as the "karma varga" chart)
 

poyi

Premium Member
The ultimate goal of studying astrology is to become the Best of yourself. That includes your spiritual development. I believe everyone should learn astrology so they have better understanding of why events/people come to their as such manner and timing.

It is amazing to see how the universe had planned for you even before your birth. Everything is written in your chart. If You can understand your own weaknesses and strengths you have the power of knowledge and make your own rational choice of which path/s to take.

The common goal of all human beings should always be constructive and bring love to the people and all livings that ever comes into your life.
 
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poyi

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D-5 related to 5th house

I see so not only talents/creativity but all the things that related to 5th. D-16 is:unsure:?

Divisional chart...is to "Extract" the "Essence" of each house and study them individually. D-60 is the complete study of the native...Hmm I believe that D-60 represents the 60*60 which is the 360 degrees of the complete Horoscope.
 

Moog

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Spiritual is one of those words that means different things to different people.

One perspective is that the material world is entirely a manifestation of spirit, and if so, then all your astrology is spiritual development markers.

If you want to know if you're going to be a vicar or a shaman or self help guru, that's a different thing.
 
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Inline

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My answer to the OP's question is, yes (in my opinion and experience) it does, and I'll state that using the techniques of esoteric astrology, the natal chart shows direction of spiritual development more than any other factor in the life!
The best chart to use for making such an analysis is the natal D60 chart (long used for such purposes in Vedic astrology, where it is known as the "karma varga" chart)

When i look at my D60 chart, i see my daughter's natal chart, she inherited many of its themes. I often wondered where her chart originated from because it didn't resemble my or my husbands charts?

I've read in an astrology discussions before, that unused chart potential may be passed on to the next generation....a Leo father, who doesn't live out his potential, will probably have a Leo child...etc etc

So, does my childs natal chart (which resembles my D60 chart more than my natal chart) mean that i have not used up my spiritual potential, at the time of her birth??!
 

paneagle7

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of course the answer is yes.

spiritually, we know it is always yes.

but in the chart, check your 60th harmonic SOL CHART.
this is the chart of your inner self.
It shows your purpose and spiritual reason in this life.
take a look at it as if the god's were speaking to you
that the sun (apollo) is questing your faith and your strengths.
that the luna (moon) is heartfelt good
that the lords of karma and individuality are both shown.
that you may learn your lifetime who you are now.
check the rising and ruler of rising positions for purpose and life missions.

the 60th harmonic chart is the soul chart for an individual.
it also with the natal chart is the map of your composite features
of lifetimes past leading up to birth this time around.

find astro.com harmonic chart choice and put 60 in date box.
this will give you the 60th harmonic.
exciting.
 

retinoid

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I think the NAVAMSA chart is the best one to use for a more spiritual basis...It is the 9th harmonic chart. Also pay attention to the 8th, 9th and 12th houses for spiritual evolution...
 

paneagle7

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I think the NAVAMSA chart is the best one to use for a more spiritual basis...It is the 9th harmonic chart. Also pay attention to the 8th, 9th and 12th houses for spiritual evolution...
The 9th harmonic may have play with the spiritual body
but allow me to suggest in the 60th harmonic here is the Soul
and the inner self, the 1x being the outer self.

In any planet position, the degrees designated are always 3 in number
the first is the 1x, the second is the 60x and the third is the 3600x harmonic. Therefore a thorough astrological connection is found in these three harmonic charts, especially in the solar degree.
The 1x is the physical human self, the 60x is the sol or inner (soul)
and the 3600x is the spirit. Time must be very very accurate for the 3600x chart moves the sun every 12 minutes to a new sign.

in my own SOL ASTROLOGY evaluation (solastrology.blogspot.com) one can find references. - the natal chart is a map of all past lives up to birth, a composite, the 60x is sol, the 3600x the spirit, which moved
'from heaven to earth' and back as it were, through the sol (soul) to the solar function of life, this lifetime.

My own signs are sag sun, gemini sol (messenger) and capricorn spirit. Here you can know and see what harmonic charts show more deeply into the spiritual body. If you look at it from a purely traditional physical perspective, you won't see it all clearly. why? because we are spiritual beings in the human body. (not a body with a soul)

best; pan
 

paneagle7

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WHAT IS SOL ASTROLOGY?

Our reference points - The Sun and its degrees
EARTH'S SOLAR CLOCK = the hour, minute and second time clock
(24 hours, 60 minutes, 60 seconds = 1x, 60x, 3600x harmonics)
These are the SOLAR NATAL, THE SOL INNER AND THE SPIRIT CYCLES.
to know the SOL AND SUN, know the Light of God is Soul within us;

Can the chart reveal the soul and spirit cycle of life in this world?
The key here is we realize no one can give a soul a sign, specifically, but it has 'signs' of which to show who we are, what we are doing, and how we may express or know soul and live and know our being well into this life.

The elegant and simple Sol Formula gives us the 60x sol sign, which is the minute of arc degree. It aligns in heirarchy, the sun or physical person, the sol or Soul, and our inner self, and the spiritual being, which if we are wise, to know this is what we are becoming. It also coordinates these perfectly.

My invitation is on the other thread of paneagle posed 2 years ago for "Sol and Spirit astrology", but in relation to this question above, answers are here available. Do none of us wish to venture into the heart of soul and a true spiritual form of astrology? I am amazed that so few responded.

Are we so sure the physical body and life is all we are, or that the old traditions of Astrology can give us these answers? They have not done so before. It is clearly important to know both. Here we may show how this coordination of stars and spirit within Soul, is known and understood. This Astrology works in many ways, and beautifully.

(This posted with the sun 6 cancer (the crab at home), the sol sun in 22 aries (the initiate), the moon 12 libra (heart of love and beauty) and the sol moon (luna) at 28 taurus, the lover of life going into Gemini, the sol sign of the messenger. The spirit sign (12 minutes per sign) is in Sagittarius, the sol sign of Eagle and the Sage) which is my sun sign)
 
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