Will He Come Back To Me?

N and I go way back. We met 16 yrs ago while I was in a relationship with his friend, when that ended, I started seeing N. We had always got along great as friends, and when we started "going out" I thought we had a profound connection. He said he couldn't commit as much as I wanted, but I thought he was denying his true feelings for me, so we ended things v. amicably because timing wasn't right. (I wanted to save him for later and not spoil things!). After that I met my future husband (R), and being a dutiful wife broke contact with N. Marriage to R has now ended, we are just divorcing and I have resumed contact with N. Unfortunately, N is married and has emigrated to Australia (I am still living in England with my 2 kids). Strong feelings for N have resurfaced after being frozen for 12 years. He says if "circumstances" were different we would definitely be together. I feel there is such a strong link between us and we are being pulled back together for a reason. We have many compatible features in our natal charts. My birth details: 26 Nov 1973, Luton (Bedford), England, 10:15am. N's birth details: 11 Oct 1973, I presume born in England, but am trying to find out. Any feedback gratefully received, as it's driving me nuts and I want to know how to get him back and not mess things up! And yes, I do respect his wife and wish her no ill will. Cheers.

Hi,

I am beginner, but I noted that in your composite chart there is an important axes - Venus conjunct North Node opposing Saturn conjuncting the South Node, this surely indicates a karmic past.

I quote a passage from my thread (Saturn conjunct NN in composite), maybe you will find it helpful. This is about Saturn conjuncting NN, but the intepretation is very much the same.
I guess in your case Saturn conjuncting SN may precisely indicate the current separation between you, challenged by Venus trying to bring you together?

I quote...

If there is a planet on the North Node, we've already met it. That planet is the same one opposing the South Node in the earlier stage of our analysis. There, it represented something troublesome, insurmountable or unattainable. Now we see it linked positively to the couple's present evolutionary intentions. They are trying to integrate the higher elements of that planetary energy into themselves.

Working with a planet on the North Node is a good exercise in learning to see both the high and low sides of all planets. Saturn opposing the South Node? In the Karmic past, there was some basic, insurmountable lack- a poverty in some sense-that stood between you and what you wanted. It was probably embodied in some person who represented laws and limitations- someone saying "thou shalt not" or "impossible" Now, as a couple, you need to embrace the same Saturn energy pattern, but move it into it's higher manifestations. Together, you need to internalise this kind of present-tense self-denial and allow both of you to build a future together which you can respect. Saving for a house together. Putting each other through medical school. Raising healthy, sane kids. Staying together. And you thereby overcome an internalised attitude of "coping" in a spirit of gloomy fatalism and acceptance of defeat.

Smiles,
Jan

Many, many thanks for the prompt reply. It's great to have some help.

So, it seems what you're saying is that we need to accept the "circumstances" that are keeping us apart/our limitations as a couple, and move our relationship to a higher purpose. N. has said that he wants us to build on our relationship for the rest of our lives, and that he cares for me a great deal, but it just doesn't seem enough. (He is a v. respectable, caring man, and obviously feels seriously about his marriage vows.). It doesn't seem like that's the way things are supposed to be, though. Will it always be that way with Saturn and the South Node? Or does this change with time? Have we got to work towards finally being together by being respectable, and therefore "deserve" it?

Sorry, forgot to mention. It's interesting what you said about a previous person/legislation getting in the way, "thou shalt not" etc. His wife is currently doing a law degree.

My sister-in-law (reiki specialist) has channelled N. and says he has a great deal of love and respect for me which will probably always be there. She says he is realising he is unhappy with those around him and what they require of him (in Australia), and realising who makes him happy (me). He wants to do something about it, but isn't sure what yet. She said (funnily enough) that the obstacles between us have been put there for a reason (by fate/whatever) and we are supposed to learn something from them and then perhaps be together. What do you think?

Can anyone post the relevant charts on this thread, I don't have access to anything like that.

Jan could you post up the composite chart at all?

Many thanks for all your kind help, guys.

ALST123 said:

She said (funnily enough) that the obstacles between us have been put there for a reason (by fate/whatever) and we are supposed to learn something from them and then perhaps be together.

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Hi there!

I have a similar aspect in a composite with a guy, Saturn conjunct South Node, as well as Sun, Venus, Mercury, Ceres. I;m trying to figure out what that all means. So I can relate to what your Sister in law says, it definately feels karmic and it is definately there for a reason, to learn some sort of lesson/s.

Saturn is in detriment in Cancer in your composite, conjuncting the south node, that could explain some of the more negative experiences that come out. It is definately something to learn from, and whatever the outcome it will add to your spiritual growth - hopefully for both of you.

Saturn aspects do seem to be very cement like/long lasting if you two are still in touch!

Juno, ceres, venus and the North Node are closely conjunct in your composite, that seems to be very positive if you two were to form a relationship! It does have potential as far as I can see. Very karmic too, thats why you are still in touch, karmic lessons!

Neptune

Here is the composite:



If you go to www.astro.com you can put in your birth data and get up all sorts of free charts.

I did the composite using midday as a birth time as its unknown, and London as location, as that's unsure for N.

Neptune

Thanks Neptune Rising, that's fantastic advice, and I am really grateful for the free charts tip.

I hope you find out what you need to re your situation.

If you like we could keep in touch and give each other updates on what we find out.

Yes, N and I are still in touch. My feelings for him get stronger by the day. I hope we are not falling into the trap of me being the Venus conjunct N. Node part of the relationship and him being the Saturn conjunct S. Node part, and we are going to be forever battling it out and having to find a middle ground to survive. (I am a fiery sag after all, and he is a balancing Libra!). I hope it's that we have to take care of our responsibilities (i.e. me nurturing my kids into adulthood and him supporting his wife through law school/taking his marriage to its logical conclusion), and will then have our chance for love once we have done our duty (although fyi my kids are the centre of my universe - and I love them with all my heart!).

I did also find a site which said that those with North Node in Capricorn on their natal chart often thrive if they live in Australia. I think N's North Node is in this position. It seems it helps them reach their life goals or something, makes them come alive. Funnily enough, N says about his choice to emigrate that he decided there were nicer places to live than the UK, and that part of the emigration papers was to set down marriage requirements. It's almost like changing country was paramount, not necessarily the marriage. Hmm something to ponder...

Anyway, as Jan says,

Smiles!

It would be nice to keep in touch and hear how things go, see how they pan out.

The guy I have composite south node conjunct planets with also has his own obligations. He is semi with someone else and I wouldn't want to disrupt that, it should follow its own natural progression.

Here is a quote from John Townley's composite charts book:

'Saturn conjunct South Node:
This relationship may have a lot of pitfals in it that you really can't put your finger on and will always have a diffult time controlling... This relationship wil bring unexpected restrictions and difficulties that come from left field. After it happens a few times, the temptation will be to blame each other, but it really is not something you have control over... It may seem like some cosmic revenge for sins from another time and place but that doesn;t mean the rest of life together can;t more than make up for it. The judgement here is to decide if that is the case. If you decide the balance sheet isn't in your favour, be willing to put it off until nex time and part with a smile. If you decide to go for it, do sowith a will and dont look back.'

'Venus conjunct North Node:
There will be a feeling about this relationship that you have come together for gain and profit, perhaps physical and financial, or perhaps personal and emotional. The trick will be figuring out which and just how to go about it. Its a trick, because it will not happen by itself but wil involve making tangible commitments to each other and to others wth whom you become involved. Because of the urge to go ahead and do something, it will be tempting to just jump in at the first oppertunity you come across that feels right. It is jumping in that feels right, notnecessarily the oppertunity, so it would be well to exercise patience and do a little investigation to find out just what it really is you are destined to get into together.'

I also read Saturn aspects give you time to work out whatever karmic lessons there are, so there is no hurry!

Neptune

Thanks for that. I am currently trying to find out what the Ceres, Juno and Lilith parts of the composite chart mean.

I emailed him today and told him I love him, it was a relief to finally say it really. I don't expect anything, just wanted to put it out there.

Can anyone tell me how he will receive this? Would horary tell me? Our composite chart seems +ve from what www.astro.com has to say.

Thanks, Guys.

XX.