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Old 09-01-2013, 03:57 PM
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This just in from CNN - Sarin signature was found.
Yes, but there is still no evidence of who used it.

Some time last year President Obama drew his "red line" and said that the use of chemical weapons would ultimately lead to US military involvement. McCain has been begging forever for the US to arm the rebels, and nothing has happened.

Interestingly, chemical weapons have been used, and when that didn't bring immediate US military strikes, several Syrian rebel leaders are now suggesting that if the US doesn't act they may need to turn to extremist religious factions like al-Qaeda (similar to invoking the boogyman?) in order to get what they want.

It just seems like there is more to this, and getting evidence of who actually used the Sarin is pretty important.

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Yes, but there is still no evidence of who used it.

Some time last year President Obama drew his "red line" and said that the use of chemical weapons would ultimately lead to US military involvement. McCain has been begging forever for the US to arm the rebels, and nothing has happened.

Interestingly, chemical weapons have been used, and when that didn't bring immediate US military strikes, several Syrian rebel leaders are now suggesting that if the US doesn't act they may need to turn to extremist religious factions like al-Qaeda (similar to invoking the boogyman?) in order to get what they want.

It just seems like there is more to this, and getting evidence of who actually used the Sarin is pretty important.
Yes, I agree with your statement that it does not prove who used the chemicals.

Although, circumstantially the rebels are not likely to have this weapon unless they are already collaborating with other forces that have provided it to them. From my understanding (but not yet released) they have the trajectory paths of the bombs that the government set off along with the statements of when the initial symptoms appeared. I'm hoping that they produce a timeline of the bombs along with the witness reports. 100% proof -- no -- but, it may never be 100%. Frankly, I'm not sure what type and amount of evidence would be enough ... there will always be some amount of doubt.

Hopefully, the next few days will see more releases of testing data.
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Marinka, I know absolutely nothing about mundane astrology, but isn't it funny that we aren't looking at a chart on this thread?

It seems that most consider the chart for Syrian independence from France, January 1, 1944, 12:01 AM Damascus.
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Marinka, I know absolutely nothing about mundane astrology, but isn't it funny that we aren't looking at a chart on this thread?

It seems that most consider the chart for Syrian independence from France, January 1, 1944, 12:01 AM Damascus.
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Answer 1) uuummm.... because they are after their resources e.g. oil ?

Answer 2) because of altruism on their part?

I'm ... divided between these two








hmmm ... yes, it does.
I guess people are developing quite thick skin
I dont know if Syria has oil...but Donald Rumsfeld who was so into the iraq war 11 years ago,has said on syria that it is not in the USAs interest to attack Syria


At least two ex British army commanders have also said attacking Syria would be folly


@Bob, I think Syria does have stored stockpiles of chem weapons..as do many countries


re the CNN bulletin on evidence of sarin found......the point is WHO used them...and so far there has been NO evidence from anywhere that it was the govt....more things point to the rebels than to the govt
....so Mr Kerry...show us the EVIDENCE before you start warmongering and preaching and moral blackmail

Did you in your indignation and outrage forget the USA ...no not use of agent orange in vietnam.....but more modern history, he use of depleted uranium in Iraq that caused so much disease, cancer, babies being born with two heads and no feet? Bloody hypocrite....did you question yourself WHO sold chem weapons to Syria? Did you stop to think if you remove Assad what the fallout is going to be like? Do you want a radical Islamist state in Syria? Thats what the rebels want, so how on earth can a democracy support this backward development?

Sfter intervention.....Is Iraq a better place since the war ended? Do the thousands on thousands innocents killed in suicide bombs and other bombings since make life better for people? is Libya a wonderful place now after Gaddafi was dragged through the streets and executed? Seems to me recent USA foreign military interventions have poured oil on fires and spread mayhem and destruction....show us one success! And all in the name of defence of the USA.



Lastly does anyone see the wierdness of the situation... USA attacked Iraq when one of the reasons was said to be they thought they and al quada were behind the 9/11 attacks....and 11 years on.....the USA is on the side of al quada in Syria as they form part of the rebellion....if that is not insanity I dont know what is...seems the USA are making it up as they go along and are pi$$ing in the wind, with the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing....

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...why does the usa think it should police the middle east?
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Answer 1) uuummm.... because they are after their resources ?

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Yes, well first it would be necessary to define who "they" are.
Hmmm…since emma asked “why does the usa think …” I was thinking that “they” would be the usa in general … but to be more specific …
Hmmm
could it be the usa common people/the masses?

Could it be those who hold power and will be those who will directly benefit from getting their hands on middle east resources?

I am (cough - ) divided between these two

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Answer 2) because of altruism on their part?
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Close. Not because of altruism on "their" part, but because "they" apply to the altruism of the masses in order to satisfy their own agenda.
Bingo!!!!!!
I was being a bit sarcastic : ) ... again
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A great percentage of the common people believe/are led to believe that the “middle east” is being “helped” by “western” countries and consider/call western intervention … aid

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I dont know if Syria has oil
First hand, I don't know either, I wish I knew why this sh$$ttt is happening
just reading newspapers.

I found this info compiled by the Central Intelligence Agency
(CIA) of the US online

http://www.indexmundi.com/syria/oil_production.html

http://www.indexmundi.com/map/?t=0&v=97&r=me&l=en
Source: CIA World Factbook - Unless otherwise noted, information in this page is accurate as of January 1, 2012
See also: Oil - proved reserves bar chart

Country Name Oil - proved reserves (bbl) Year of Estimate Saudi Arabia262,600,000,000 2011
Iran137,000,000,000 2012
Iraq115,000,000,000 2011
Kuwait104,000,000,000 2011
United Arab Emirates97,800,000,000 2011
Qatar25,380,000,000 2011
Oman5,500,000,000 2011
Yemen3,000,000,000 2011
Syria2,500,000,000 2011
Turkmenistan600,000,000 2011
Uzbekistan594,000,000 2011
Pakistan313,000,000 2011
Turkey270,400,000 2011
Bahrain124,600,000 2011
Kyrgyzstan40,000,000 2011
Tajikistan12,000,000 2011
Israel1,940,000 2011
Jordan1,000,000 2011
Lebanon0 2011
Afghanistan0 2011

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In the news

Syrian rebels admit use of chemical weapon attacks, "which western powers have blamed on Bashar Al-Assad’s forces, revealing that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia."

http://www.infowars.com/rebels-admit...eapons-attack/
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In the news

Syrian rebels admit use of chemical weapon attacks, "which western powers have blamed on Bashar Al-Assad’s forces, revealing that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia."

http://www.infowars.com/rebels-admit...eapons-attack/

No coverage on this on NYT, WSJ, Bloombrg, or Reuters or any TV stations ....
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No coverage on this on NYT, WSJ, Bloombrg, or Reuters or any TV stations ....
Nothing on BBC either. The article was dated yesterday, so you would think someone would have picked it up.

Meanwhile, something of this magnitude should show in a chart. SR? It looks interesting, but as we agreed, I have no knowledge of mundane astrology and you do. Where you you look?
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I was listening to my astrology reading I got earlier in the year last night and my astrologer pointed out Pluto in Capricorn and Uranus in Aries will square each other 7 times until 2017 or something. The first time it got close was when the Arab Spring (hate that term) happened. The second time was at the peak of the crazy Obama-Romney election of 2012. I checked the ephemeris for this year and we're heading toward another exact square that will last for the rest of the year.

It will be interesting how this plays out as we have Congress voting, the G12 summit coming up and then the week at the UN toward the end of the month.
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"Uh, you are not playing global cop...you are playing global bully and global slave master using the mantra of global cop." Bob Zemco

i? That's pretty funny.

To others, I also heard on the radio that an AP reporter interviewed the rebels who actually made the bombs. This story seems to not have reached mainstream media as yet.
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Nothing on BBC either. The article was dated yesterday, so you would think someone would have picked it up.

Meanwhile, something of this magnitude should show in a chart. SR? It looks interesting, but as we agreed, I have no knowledge of mundane astrology and you do. Where you you look?



Even though they are simple, transits provide a great amount of detail. I've attached a marked up chart with three areas

- in red - trans pluto cj natal sun - pretty exact, Pluto was originally in the 10th house so we are bringing some of the fabric of government into this conjunction. Pluto rules the 2nd and sun the 11th - 2nd is values and 11th the governance of country. This indicates a severe liability of understanding the impact of judgements on the institutions that govern. In general Pluto also indicates a breakdown and sun the inner core of the country - the country governing appartatus is dying. Still another stage to go through as Pluto is retro now and will get another conj when direct - after that passes, much of the destruction should be over .. at least for the time being.

- in green, trans nep in inconjunct (150 angle) with natal nep - this is almost exact. Neptune in 12th would have been an indicator of a possible attack of this type on the country as it would have been in the natal chart. This natal configuration is now being activated by the trans nep in 5th house - 5th house in mundane would be the decisions of the government. While the 11th is the institutional bodies, the 5th I have found to be the decisions. Note that the 7th house of open enemies which would be the rebels, has no angle (trans Mars) to Neptune - does NOT look like the rebels did it.

- lastly, trans Jup is trining the Moon. Moon is the ruler of 10th and is the head of the country and Jupiter in this case is the 3rd which is neighbors and in this case, they are helping the leader of this country. This is an indication that even though he likely did it, he will get away with it. I suspect that Russia and Iran and maybe other countries will lobby hard for peace talks and might succeed in forestalling any retribution indefinitely. I didn't look that far out, so maybe this will just delay ...

On a passing glance, I noted that Uranus is going to be moving into the 7th, this could signal talks with the rebels as Uranus is ruler of the 5th (decisions of government) and 7th is open enemies - rebels. This would likely also coincide with Pluto coming back and hitting the sun again indicating drastic changes to the soul of the government. One problem is that Neptune has to make it's final pass over the natal Neptune and it could signal either another attack or a resolution to who caused this one - only by looking at the transiting aspects in detail over the next few months (years) could this be clarified (not enough time).

As I do charts, sometimes I get an "empathic" connection and in this case, when I was examining the nuances of the pluto/sun angle, I got a clear connection that the actions were of desperation and an attempt to re-establish what existed before. As these actions were being done, there was no realization that these actions were corrupting the values/morals of the government. As Martin Luther King said, "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and discovery."



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As usual the attack on Syria doesn't have anything to do with saving the civilian population from harm, control of the world economy is the real reason: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...tack-risk.html
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As usual the attack on Syria doesn't have anything to do with saving the civilian population from harm, control of the world economy is the real reason: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...tack-risk.html
Exactly.... QUOTE


Worldwide loss of oil supply heightens Syria attack risk

Libya's oil output has crashed to a near standstill over the past year as warlords and strikes paralyse the country, tightening the screws on global crude supply as the crisis in Syria comes to a head....'


'....“Militia groups are behaving like terrorists, using control over oil as political leverage to extract concessions,” said Dr Elizabeth Stephens, head of political risk at insurers Jardine Lloyd Thompson.

Port closures and strikes have compounded the damage but the deeper story is the disintegration of political authority.

Libya is the most extreme example of political mayhem around the world disrupting output and causing a chronic shortfall in oil supply. Production has slumped in Iraq, Nigeria, Iran, Yemen and Syria itself, each for different reasons....'
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9TlyroKp_E#t=21

Got this link from my boyfriend researching between Syria and America.

A light/UFO object flying over Syria in spirals motion last year.
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Through watching News. I started wonder what it is happening in Barack Obama's natal chart.

In his natal as AA rating, transit North node already conjunct Natal Neptune in 9th house, Transit Saturn will soon make this exact conjunction of both Neptune and Saturn by Mid September. Natal Neptune is the only major aspect to his natal Sun. Sun is the ruler of his 7th house.

In natal Neptune in the 9th house square his 12th house Jupiter in Aquarius Rx. Right now transit Neptune Rx already conjunct his 1st house Chiron. The transit Uranus Rx in 2nd house transiting Pluto Rx in the 11th house. In the following years, Pluto transit in Capricorn will meet his progressed MC. Pluto is the ruler of his MC placed in 7th house.

His Progressed Sun in Libra in 8th house, progressed Venus in Virgo will conjunct his natal Pluto in the 7th house. This progressed Venus will square natal Moon in 4th house. Progressed Mercury is also in Libra will soon enter 9th house cusp along with Mars into Scorpio in 9th house. Venus is the ruler of her 4th house IC.

Saturn in Scorpio transit, his natal Saturn in Capricorn which is also the ruler of the 12th house placed in 12th. Progressed Mars in 8th had made exact quare to the natal Saturn a while back. When progressed Mars enters Scorpio it will form square to the 12th house Jupiter Rx in Aquarius. Jupiter is the ruler of his 11th house.

The upcoming 3rd of November 2013 rare Hybrid Solar Eclipse, will be at 11 degrees 16 Scorpio which seem to be the midpoint of the transit Saturn and transit North node in his natal 9th house.

IMO, I think overall very suggestive of long term war.

astro_245gw_221_barack_obama_adb_201393.60747.27038.jpg

EDITED: Furthermore, never forget the Water Grand Trine we had in July, it was in contact with the Uranus Square Pluto. As a whole the Grand Trine was an exacerbation of of Uranus Square Pluto. At the moment, I am trying to figure out Obama's Solar return. As he only just had his Solar return in 4th August. His solar return Ascendant in Scorpio, Pluto Rx in 2nd, Mars in Cancer in 8th, sun is in 9th house with exact trine with Uranus Rx in 5th house, Mars was in Cancer 8th house. Uranus Rx square to solar Vertex by 1A orb . I do think considering his natal, transit, progression and solar return are extremely important as the leader of USA. Whatever major decision he is making will always affect the whole country and countries aboard. It will leave markings in his natal and other charts.
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I generally don't dabble in mundane astrology, I see a country's culture described by the country's chart! The u.s.a. chart surely has 7 to 8 degrees sagg and Gemini on two of the 4 angles, accurately describing the schizophrenic mindset of their culture...as individuals schizophrenia may only apply to a small percentage of their population, but as a whole the behaviour of the group is lacking in common sense and moral fibre i.m.o., and it seems that I'm not the only one, here's an excerpt from the "peak prosperity" newsletter:


Deficits and Debts Do Matter

Deficits don’t matter! Dick Cheney once famously growled, putting to words the belief system that envelops the U.S. today, especially its financial and monetary authorities. Because we’ve managed over the past three decades to dodge any serious consequences from racking up debts, these folks believe that will always be true. Absence of evidence becomes evidence of absence.
Sticking just to the economic “E” (leaving aside energy and the environment), our diagnosis of the current difficulties is simply that the OECD economies left reason aside and instead embarked on a sustained period of borrowing at a rate nearly twice as fast as underlying economic growth.
That is, we collectively fell for the idea that one could simply borrow more than one earned...forever. I'm always surprised by how an entire culture can collectively believe in something that no individual would ever hold to be true.
We know that we cannot individually borrow more than we earn forever. And we are equally sure that this remains true if we pool ten people together. But we accept the idea that a sovereign nation can somehow magically pull this off. This either represents a profound inability to apply logic, or a form of cultural schizophrenia, or both.
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It was a foregone conclusion, because though our President respected what PM Cameron did and went to Congress (even though he didn't need to) in an effort to punt because there is no way to justify a war with Syria that doesn't further inflame tensions in that area of the world...

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...he-ground?lite
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I use very different significators for the US (eg I consider Jupiter the USA's chart ruler, but I do not use a "national birth chart", but rather a "locational" one), but with Jupiter passing in exaltation through Cancer, and with a couple of other considerations regarding the US "locational chart", I think that:
1-US will strike several targets in Syria with cruise missiles
2-US will not do more than that, and will not become embroiled in Syria (over the next year at least)
3-there will be a lot of stamping and yelling after the strikes, but that will be it and no major military involvements/conflicts will ensue.
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Dear moderators,

The attacking message you have delete it of my post was DO you really believe this? and the second post SO you like fairy tales?! Nice.

Did i sound so aggressive on those posts?
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the arabs were promised one thing,
after fighting on the side of the allies during 1st world war,
it isn't what they got!

There were secret deals over spheres of influence,

this affected relations with the west to this day in the middle east.

So where did most middle east countries become a game for france and uk....

after the "treaty of sevres",

signed in sevres, france on

10th august 1920,

graph below, sunrise egyptian day marker used, sun rising with sirius!!!!

No problem looking at date of germany signing treaty of versailles, if you want to look further!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/treaty_of_s%c3%a8vres
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73 word quote:

"it's puzzling how the us can treat radical islamists in syria as allies while fighting against them as enemies in afghanistan" says the chair of the russian parliament's committee on foreign affairs.

"Washington's double standard approach is evident in the Syrian crisis. It supports the armed opposition, which wants to turn the country into a dictatorship, claiming that their war against the Assad government has democracy as the goal" Aleksey Pushkov told r
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the foregoing 73 word extract is from accompanying notes at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5wfe...eature=related
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Re: Syria, will USA attack?

Okay, I've shown up late for the party and likely everyone has gone home or passed out... (I'm new in the neighborhood and I've been trying to learn my way around the site.)

... SO! has anyone mentioned Sept 15/16 DOUBLE - DOUBLE, with transiting Mars conjoining Oboma's Sun as the transiting Sun conjoins his Mars?

So you still don't believe his birth certificate is real..

Oh! Yeah, while this is rolling along the moon will oppose his Sun on the 9/16. Likely there are a few other items I missed but at a glance... Whew!

He is known for his "cool" but this transit cycle may present a serious challenge to that temperament. I do hope it is not health related. I will say, Assad really should avoid pissing Obama off over the next week or so.

Yeah think?

And please don't tell me you've already gone over all this. Sorry. Got excited and jumped right in.
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I was looking at the translation of some fixed star names and found one that I think is pertinent to this issue. Looking at this chart, based on the day that the French General proclaimed Syria independent, http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Syria and Assad's natal chart, http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Bachar_al-Assad you'll notice that Denebola, Dhanab al-asad stands out, being at 21Virgo. Syria has POF, Node and Sun conjunct. Assad has Moon opposing, Sun conjunct quite close. When I inserted the name, ذنب الاسد into google translate, it came back as Assad guilt, also guilty of, or sin or fault. Now, it is usually said to mean tail of the lion, which is where it is located, but I found this translation quite interesting. Assad means lion. A more ancient root, Dn, actually zn, means nourished or fully developed. znb means to wag (the tail). If a lion is fed and wagging his tail, he is likely guilty of killing his prey.

The tail of the lion marks a lunar mansion. It is the Changer (game changer, changer of the weather, etc). It is opposed to Regulus, being the end, where Regulus is the beginning of the Lion. It is considered unfortunate, bringing catastrophe, ending in disgrace.
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I, for one, am extremely grateful that the woman who asked Kerry the right question did, and did so at the right time. She should get a Purple Heart.
Kerry, came up with the right solution - however it came, he spoke the words. Russia, gratefully, recognized excellent opportunity when they saw it and pounced on it.
Now safely in the hands of the UN we are walking in disarmament land.
Of course drama is never over. But in this case the stars and quick wits of a few ushered us into peace and not war.
Well done to all involved!

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The British prepared for war in Syria 2 years before the eruption of the crisis
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