Vedic vs. western... Totally differnt outcomes?

[Whos_scarielle]

I got both charts done for my relationship.

Cesar, 09/30/1987, 9:36pm, Santa Ana California
Arielle, 03/22/1992, 1:12pm, Orange California

One was vedic, and the other western.

The Vedic was very pessimistic, and said my relationship wasn't going to be a "soulful" one, which had no purpose, and that he brings out the worst in me. But in the end it could work out if we remained mutual... It went off a point system for our "wavelength" out come.
I didn't really agree with a lot of things it said...

In my western reading it was very detailed and almost spot on. It said we thrive off each other and do very well. Basically said the opposite of vedic... I felt like it looked at us together rather then our separate personalities put in a relationship.

How can the two be so different?

[kimbermoon]

This is the question that I always ponder,as well, why bother with various charts, when the one natal chart will suffice?

[Moog]

Originally Posted by kimbermoon

This is the question that I always ponder,as well, why bother with various charts, when the one natal chart will suffice?

If you mean divisional charts, they can give further insight. You do not have to use them, but they can be very useful.

I assume you've tried them and not found them useful.

[Moog]

Originally Posted by Whos_scarielle

I got both charts done for my relationship.

Cesar, 09/30/1987, 9:36pm, Santa Ana California
Arielle, 03/22/1992, 1:12pm, Orange California

One was vedic, and the other western.

The Vedic was very pessimistic, and said my relationship wasn't going to be a "soulful" one, which had no purpose, and that he brings out the worst in me. But in the end it could work out if we remained mutual... It went off a point system for our "wavelength" out come.
I didn't really agree with a lot of things it said...

In my western reading it was very detailed and almost spot on. It said we thrive off each other and do very well. Basically said the opposite of vedic... I felt like it looked at us together rather then our separate personalities put in a relationship.

How can the two be so different?

Many reasons, many reasons.

Not all astrologers are alike. And Eastern and Western astrology are not monolithic entities.

Generally speaking, the modern forms of western astrology (that I've encountered) seem very much aligned with the idea that the chart shows psychological tendencies, and that the individual has absolute free will to redefine their internal gubbins if they choose.

Correct me if that seems incorrect.

Vedic astrology comes from a more deterministic culture. It is not wholly deterministic, though, in fact, it is thought that there are types or degrees of fixedness of karmic experience, some which can be altered, and some which you are simply bound to experience. The charts are thought to show an individuals entire life experience, and not just the psychological profile.

Personally, I don't think it's right to tell people that their relationship is going to be all sweetness and light, if the chart (or charts) isn't indicating it.

I've predicted my own relationship patterns and I'm not going to lie to myself either

If you enjoyed the western reading more, or found it more useful, that's the way it is, and no one can say you are wrong.

Not all astrologers are equal, not all astrological practices are equal, and not every consumer of astrology is looking to hear the same things.

I hope you do have a satisfying relationship, and I hope that if not, you bear it well, and learn what is to be learned.

[Moog]

Originally Posted by Whos_scarielle

The Vedic was very pessimistic, and said my relationship wasn't going to be a "soulful" one, which had no purpose.

No disrespect to whoever that was, but I don't even know what a 'soulful' relationship means, and I don't believe any relationship has no purpose. If you're together it's for a reason.

Perhaps someone here could recommend a better astrologer.

[Whos_scarielle]

Originally Posted by Moog

Many reasons, many reasons.

Not all astrologers are alike. And Eastern and Western astrology are not monolithic entities.

Generally speaking, the modern forms of western astrology (that I've encountered) seem very much aligned with the idea that the chart shows psychological tendencies, and that the individual has absolute free will to redefine their internal gubbins if they choose.

Correct me if that seems incorrect.

Vedic astrology comes from a more deterministic culture. It is not wholly deterministic, though, in fact, it is thought that there are types or degrees of fixedness of karmic experience, some which can be altered, and some which you are simply bound to experience. The charts are thought to show an individuals entire life experience, and not just the psychological profile.

Personally, I don't think it's right to tell people that their relationship is going to be all sweetness and light, if the chart (or charts) isn't indicating it.

I've predicted my own relationship patterns and I'm not going to lie to myself either

If you enjoyed the western reading more, or found it more useful, that's the way it is, and no one can say you are wrong.

Not all astrologers are equal, not all astrological practices are equal, and not every consumer of astrology is looking to hear the same things.

I hope you do have a satisfying relationship, and I hope that if not, you bear it well, and learn what is to be learned.

I see where you are coming from... I had a feeling it had a lot to do with the culture. And there are many different types of astrologers, and they all communicate and think differently, because of many other influences in their life.
But I guess wanted to know if it had more to do with the stars and method of calculating our chart. If that makes sense.
You cleared the air though.

Well the western wasn't all flowers and prettiness... But it didn't feel so predetermined, that this was my fate... Forever!

I guess I was just being hyper. And didn't really think about the above...
:P Hehe.

I guess relationship compatibility wasn't a good choice for my first vedic reading.


Anywhooo... Which do you prefer, Eastern or Western?

[Whos_scarielle]

Originally Posted by Moog

No disrespect to whoever that was, but I don't even know what a 'soulful' relationship means, and I don't believe any relationship has no purpose. If you're together it's for a reason.

Perhaps someone here could recommend a better astrologer.

That's what I thought too...

[Moog]

Originally Posted by Whos_scarielle

I see where you are coming from... I had a feeling it had a lot to do with the culture. And there are many different types of astrologers, and they all communicate and think differently, because of many other influences in their life.

Yes, indeed. Sucessful astrology depends on an astrologers ability to read the chart well, but also to communicate what is read to the readee in a form that they can comprehend.

I'm getting better at the first, the second is actually the major hurdle, I'm finding

Choice of wording is very important, which is why I picked up on terminology like 'soulful relationship'.

But I guess wanted to know if it had more to do with the stars and method of calculating our chart. If that makes sense.

Typically, vedic astrologers use the sidereal calculation which does give a different chart. So that could explain differences. However, as a siderealist myself, I would be surprised if that was the cause of the Vedic reading being the lesser.

Anywhooo... Which do you prefer, Eastern or Western?

You mean my bias wasn't showing go me

I'm currently mainly studying and using Indian astrological concepts and techniques.

[Mechanical Designs]

Vedic Astrology is fatalistic don't believe in the analysis done by a Vedic astrology go with Western Tropical Astrology psychological oriented .

Cheers,
MD