Trayvon Martin Unarmed Teen Killed - CCTV of George Zimmerman in Police Station

[JUPITERASC]

JUST A FEW CLEARLY DOCUMENTED EXAMPLES OF HOW GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S STORY CHANGES http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_5g2...ayer_embedded#!

[JUPITERASC]

Once a year – every August - the transiting Sun is in conjunction aspect with the Fixed Star Regulus

In 2012 the yearly conjunction aspect occurs within the next seven days and is preceded by a New Moon within orb of a conjunction with Regulus.



Despite being severely hampered by the lack of times of birth for any of the participants in this tragedy, nevertheless we can note the following imminent transits to natal planets:

Thursday 17 August 2012 A New Moon conjuncts Trayvon's natal retrograde Mars, within orb of conjunction aspect with Regulus

Saturday 18 August 2012 Transiting Sun more precisely conjuncts Trayvon's natal Mars/Regulus

Sunday 19/Monday 20 August 2012 transiting Sun conjuncts Mark O'Mara's natal Jupiter/Regulus

Tuesday 21/Wednesday 22 August 2012 transiting Sun conjuncts George Zimmerman's natal Venus/Regulus


Note also that the foregoing aspects all square Dr. Robert J Zimmerman's natal Venus/Algol conjunction

The week-long 'domino effect' of the foregoing transits may well be reflected in Mark O'Mara's planned announcement to the media, expected Monday 13 August 2012

Speculation is that there may well be a definite announcement regarding an appeal against Judge Lester's decision to remain on the case.

[JUPITERASC]

Tragically, 17 year old schoolboy Trayvon Martin was shot dead on the same area that he loved to play football on with kids in the neighbourhood. 98 word QUOTE sourced from http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...cle1221799.ece

QUOTE:

“Summer 2009 George/Shellie Zimmerman moved into the Retreat: immediately, GZ started calling police. Records show GZ worked at a pressure-washing company, though neighbors said they never saw a truck.

Trayvon Martin lived with his dad, who resides in the Miami area, and visited his dad's girlfriend at the Retreat several times before... ….kids in the neighborhood always looked forward to playing football with TM - yet to George Zimmerman, TM was a stranger. The boys, who are black, often played football with Trayvon Martin - 'Right there on that grass where he died,' said T.Y. Jones, 14...”


fwiw IMO it is important to remember that although the odds may SEEM in Zimmerman’s favor it's only because he shot dead the sole other witness to the tragedy making it impossible for Trayvon to appear in court to tell his own story and defend himself verbally - HOWEVER that does NOT mean GZ will automatically walk!! A 'Stand Your Ground' hearing is a mini trial with submissions of evidence, witness questioning and cross-examination and GZ almost certainly shall have to take the stand... now that's obviously a risky undertaking for GZ - a man who claimed self-defense after shooting dead an unarmed 17-year-old schoolboy AND ALSO then lied about finances to the presiding judge. Is it so surprising then that GZ is focused on attempting to get Judge Kenneth Lester to recuse himself?


96 word QUOTE

“Trayvon was talking to his childhood friend DeeDee while walking home from a neighbourhood convenience store, when he noticed a creepy guy in a truck following him. Trayvon was headed toward the rear entrance, to the Townhouse where he was staying. Trayvon was in a place he had a right to be, he was not committing a crime. George Zimmerman deliberately got out of his truck, followed, chased, hunted Trayvon using two flashlights and a Tec 9.

George Zimmerman made inaccurate assumptions, profiled, stalked, then MURDERED an innocent minor and is therefore charged with murder 2”

http://marinadedave.com/journal/2012...on-martin.html

http://marinadedave.com/journal/2012...mm-v-zimm.html

[JUPITERASC]

99 word quote sourced from http://marinadedave.com/journal/2012...im-fester.html

“Mark O’Mara has announced that a writ of prohibition will be filed at the appellate level against Judge Lester. This will stop everything in its tracks, including Zimmerman’s desire to leave Seminole County.

Judge Kenneth Lester can EITHER acquiesce by stepping down OR he can stick to his guns and fight it like he said he would be willing to do in his order denying the recusal motion.

O’Mara did say that his client: “really has to live as a hermit, unfortunately.”

HOWEVER, Trayvon Benjamin Martin, unarmed schoolboy is irrevocably dead having been wrongfully shot by GZ”



Frank Taaffe - Orlando Sentinel Interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDhgyXafIO0


Frederick Leatherman Lawblog “The Case Of The Useless Press Conference” http://frederickleatherman.wordpress...ss-conference/

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“Powerful Words From The Heart Of A Blogger” http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=1_S-SHtoeu8


Current expert legal thoughts/opinion on the case http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news...ppeal_to_.html 93 word extract sourced from Legal analyst Attorney Joy Ragan:


QUOTE

'....O'Mara does not think GZ can get a fair trial under Lester, because his client has damaged credibility.

"That's why Mr. O'Mara is going to these extraordinary measures to get the judge off the case"

That damage happened when Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, did not fully disclose how much money they had available during Zimmerman's initial bond hearing.

Ragan also said judges are accustomed to putting things out of their heads and being impartial.Because of that, Ragan said she feels the Fifth District Court of Appeal will side with Judge Lester....'



My two cents worth:
GZ was interviewed eleven times YET despite having plenty of time to sculpt/tweak the dialogue to perfection, he simply is unable to remain consistent.

Therefore, to what extent can we depend on GZ's version of events?

GZ is asking us to believe that allegedly GZ yelled for help AFTER a concerned witness opened his patio door and said he was calling the police and that's the precise moment TM chose to cover GZ's mouth and his nose with his hands while bashing his head into the concrete and telling him he was going to kill him?

(1) How could TM have simultaneously bashed GZ's head into the concrete AND at the same time kept GZ's nose and mouth covered?

(2) Also, that basically implies that a 17 year old schoolboy armed with only a can of Arizona Ice Tea and a bag of Skittles candy with NO history of violence has apparently decided for no apparent reason to on the spur of the moment murder someone just after a witness warns he is calling 911... and that's just ONE of the incredible statements by GZ that we are expected to simply 'believe'

Just how reliable is anything GZ says?


Let's listen to various statements made by George Zimmerman regarding tragic events on the dark, rainy night of 26 February 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh-z6...ature=youtu.be 100 word QUOTE: sourced from notes accompanying audio and video

“Excerpts from investigation into shooting death of Trayvon Martin. Part 2 The extended Version. This video contains a collage of statements and additional audio. None of the statements have been altered or taken out of context. Decide for yourself what you believe to be the truth about this tragic story. I Put the backdrop of the Usual Suspects Soundtrack to part 2. Anyone familiar with The Usual Suspects will get it. Sadly reality is stranger than fiction and that movie fits this soundtrack PERFECTLY... 1 Hour Plus of audio so take time, sit back and listen to the complete story ”

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At the very recent specially convened media conference GZ's attorney - Mark O'Mara - claimed to assembled reporters:

"How much pay have I received to date? Zero!"

Strange then that discovery documents tell a different story. Note a cheque dated 20 April 2012 on which are written the words: "PAY TO THE ORDER OF MARK M O'MARA ON BEHALF OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN $122,393.04" http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=2VIUFZELr48

[Barbara]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

At the very recent specially convened media conference GZ's attorney - Mark O'Mara - claimed to assembled reporters:

"How much pay have I received to date? Zero!"

Strange then that discovery documents tell a different story. Note a cheque dated 20 April 2012 on which are written the words: "PAY TO THE ORDER OF MARK M O'MARA ON BEHALF OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN $122,393.04"

Hello everyone. I've been a lurker and finally decided to register. My initial interest was researching George Zimmerman's astrological chart. My interest in astrology started in the 1960's to understand myself and others. I am not a professional astrologer and some of the charting is above my head, but I do understand the interpretations.

It is my impression that the check dated April 20, 2012 was to turn over the remaining donations to O'Mara for him to deposit in a trust account. I seriously doubt that he has taken any compensation, but can't say that for the other attorney he hired (don't remember his name now, but he was present at the table at Zim's second bond hearing.) The same is true for the trust fund administrator -- he is no doubt being compensated.

On a separate note, some astrologers are of the impression that interesting and unexpected things will happen in the case in the month of October. Does anyone else anticipate that?

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Barbara

Hello everyone. I've been a lurker and finally decided to register. My initial interest was researching George Zimmerman's astrological chart. My interest in astrology started in the 1960's to understand myself and others. I am not a professional astrologer and some of the charting is above my head, but I do understand the interpretations.

It is my impression that the check dated April 20, 2012 was to turn over the remaining donations to O'Mara for him to deposit in a trust account. I seriously doubt that he has taken any compensation, but can't say that for the other attorney he hired (don't remember his name now, but he was present at the table at Zim's second bond hearing.) The same is true for the trust fund administrator -- he is no doubt being compensated

Realistically speaking, payment must be made for legal actions undertaken directly with the court - but it is not made public exactly who pays whom and how much.

For example legal motions and appeals against motions are expensive which is why Mark O'Mara must get the money from somewhere to pay these expenses -and although Mark O'Mara originally said he was working 'pro bono' he then said he charges $400 an hour - reporters are just curious and asking could that be a reason for the documented payment dated 25 April 2012 as seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=2VIUFZELr48

Originally Posted by Barbara

On a separate note, some astrologers are of the impression that interesting and unexpected things will happen in the case in the month of October. Does anyone else anticipate that?

That's interesting Barbara - would you post a link to the websites discussing the interesting and unexpected things expected regarding this case, in the month of October? Many thanks

[JUPITERASC]

Well documented statements are made by GZ during official re-enactment to Sanford Police - do those statements pass the test for veracity? 'NEW IMPROVED GEORGE ZIMMERMAN RE-ENACTMENT VS. THE WORLD' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHyIp...layer_embedded


Attorney Mark O'Mara has more than once claimed that GZ 'is indigent' – Here is the legal definition of 'indigent' as applicable in a court of law...

'INDIGENT GEORGE' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAxs6...layer_embedded


http://frederickleatherman.wordpress...tial-evidence/

[Barbara]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

Realistically speaking, payment must be made for legal actions undertaken directly with the court - but it is not made public exactly who pays whom and how much.

For example legal motions and appeals against motions are expensive which is why Mark O'Mara must get the money from somewhere to pay these expenses -and although Mark O'Mara originally said he was working 'pro bono' he then said he charges $400 an hour - reporters are just curious and asking could that be a reason for the documented payment dated 25 April 2012 as seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=2VIUFZELr48

That's interesting Barbara - would you post a link to the websites discussing the interesting and unexpected things expected regarding this case, in the month of October? Many thanks

Hi! I don't remember all the sites I read, but was able to find the following right away.
http://www.rulingplanets.com/node/14237
The astrologer wrote: "Even then it won’t be the answer that people are looking for which sets the stage for a denouement in late September/early October 2012."
Since there is now an appeal, I am doubful that it will be heard and decided before September/early October 2012. Actually, I'm leaning in the direction of O'Mara making an announcment that Zimmerman is not mentally capable of taking the stand.
Regarding the donations, after O'Mara took them over, he said that $20K was set aside for Zimmerman's living expenses. It seems only logical that he would pay his staff and himself from the remainer. The problem with the lack of donations appeared to come after the second bail and its conditions.
It does amaze me that the Zimmerman family presumes that people are going to give them money after George showed no remorse and his belief that his actions were "God's plan." If that be the case, then let God provide for them too.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Barbara

Hi! I don't remember all the sites I read, but was able to find the following right away.
http://www.rulingplanets.com/node/14237
The astrologer wrote: "Even then it won’t be the answer that people are looking for which sets the stage for a denouement in late September/early October 2012."

Since there is now an appeal, I am doubtful that it will be heard and decided before September/early October 2012. Actually, I'm leaning in the direction of O'Mara making an announcement that Zimmerman is not mentally capable of taking the stand.

Regarding the donations, after O'Mara took them over, he said that $20K was set aside for Zimmerman's living expenses. It seems only logical that he would pay his staff and himself from the remainder. The problem with the lack of donations appeared to come after the second bail and its conditions.

It does amaze me that the Zimmerman family presumes that people are going to give them money after George showed no remorse and his belief that his actions were "God's plan." If that be the case, then let God provide for them too.

Thanks for that link Barbara - it is interesting, BUT there is no mention of a time of birth – are there any sites you have viewed that have noted a definite time of birth for George Zimmerman? A recorded time of birth is essential for accurate prediction.

Meanwhile, when Mark O'Mara took the GZ case on he claimed he would not 'try the case via the media' however only just recently he called a special press conference at which he alleged the following to assembled reporters:

QUOTE
“What probably happened is my client was reacting to having broken... having his nose broken, which I think is undisputed that he had a broken nose....” ....UNDISPUTED? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_XeU...ayer_embedded#!


http://thisruthlessworld.wordpress.c...n-not-so-fast/


97 word QUOTE

“....the diagnosis 'closed nasal fracture' was solely for medical billing purposes. When billing for a visit, you must have an ICD-9 code - there is no code for 'likely broken nose', therefore 'closed nasal fracture' code was closest BUT meaningless since PA specifically stated only 'likely' broken, suggested GZ consult ENT but GZ didn't bother... it's a minor injury, insufficiently serious for GZ to follow up...not indicative of GZ getting head 'banged repeatedly on concrete'. That's the origin of O'Mara's nonsensical claim of 'confirmed broken nose'. PA should have put 'rule out nasal fracture' in notes/ENT recommendation... ”



Furthermore, contrary to O'Mara's statement that “it may take some time” for the 'extraordinary motion' to be dealt with, the Appeals court is reacting quickly as shown by the following extract sourced from: http://199.242.69.70/pls/ds/ds_docke...&psSearchType=


QUOTE

08/14/2012 ORD-Writs Show Cause w/out Reply 08/23/2012 BY THURSDAY 23 AUGUST 2012 BY 5:00 PM; ORDER SHALL NOT STAY PROCEEDINGS IN LOWER TRIBUNAL RELATIVE TO THIS CAUSE


fwiw IMO this clearly implies that no conditions have been placed on any rulings the judge has made so far OR WILL MAKE concerning the case until it is resolved AND the power of Lester's court IS NOT being limited in any way - so any proceeding already scheduled are to go ahead as scheduled - therefore Judge Kenneth Lester is able to continue issuing orders/rulings until the Appeals Court make their determination regarding O'Mara's 'Extraordinary Motion' which he dramatically announced to assembled media at a specially convened press conference. Furthermore, since the prosecution is surmised to have provided at least 80% discovery whereas the defence have provided little if any discovery, Mark O'Mara is now expected to provide reciprocal discovery because the obvious delaying tactics appear to have failed to further slow the already slow processing of the case. i.e. remember GZ was not even arrested/charged until more than six weeks after he shot TM

Bear in mind that in relation to the fact that The State is now expected to respond by 23 August 2012 at the latest to the 'Extraordinary Motion' to the Appeals Court by O'Mara - that earlier on this thread EVEN BEFORE O'MARA EVEN HELD THE SPECIAL PRESS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCING that 'Extraordinary Motion' I posted the following comment

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

Once a year – every August - the transiting Sun is in conjunction aspect with the Fixed Star Regulus

In 2012 the yearly conjunction aspect occurs within the next seven days and is preceded by a New Moon within orb of a conjunction with Regulus.


Despite being severely hampered by the lack of times of birth for any of the participants in this tragedy, nevertheless we can note the following imminent transits to natal planets:

Thursday 17 August 2012 A New Moon conjuncts Trayvon's natal retrograde Mars, within orb of conjunction aspect with Regulus

Saturday 18 August 2012 Transiting Sun more precisely conjuncts Trayvon's natal Mars/Regulus

Sunday 19/Monday 20 August 2012 transiting Sun conjuncts Mark O'Mara's natal Jupiter/Regulus

Tuesday 21/Wednesday 22 August 2012 transiting Sun conjuncts George Zimmerman's natal Venus/Regulus

Note also that the foregoing aspects all square Dr. Robert J Zimmerman's natal Venus/Algol conjunction

The week-long 'domino effect' of the foregoing transits may well be reflected in Mark O'Mara's planned announcement to the media, expected Monday 13 August 2012

Speculation is that there may well be a definite announcement regarding an appeal against Judge Lester's decision to remain on the case.

[claudette]

Barbara, welcome to the discussion!

You mentioned October as being stressful for GZ.

Please see my post on page 9, #213, Aug. 10. Paragraphs 6 and 7 discuss GZ Solar return (SR) chart and it's proximity to the scheduled docket sounding. If this has been cancelled, I'm unaware of it.

Basically, his SR looks really challenging. If you have any questions regarding my post on that, let me know and I'll try to elaborate.

Have you checked out Justicequest? A HUGE thread there on TM and GZ and everything related in between. It's a part-time job to try to keep up with them.
Thanks for the other source.

[claudette]

I forgot to mention: Weren't parent Zimmerman's paying GZ's rent while he was in school? Something around $1250 a month, I think. I don't know for how long, but Shillie (I mean Shellie-sometimes typos are Freudian slips!) mentions this in the bond hearing.

How is it they are suddenly so destitute they are begging for donations? (We all know they both have retirements, pensions, etc.) Had to ask-know the answer-they are greedy and feel entitled.

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98 word extract is sourced from http://marinadedave.com/journal/2012...VCidcg.twitter “This article focuses on the writ of prohibition filed by GZ’s defense attorneys, but before I do that, I’ve got to get something off my chest. It’s something I haven’t read much about elsewhere and it’s been bugging me in subtle ways for several months. As far as I’m concerned, it gets to the heart of the matter and why any motion to dismiss may be problematic for the defense. Most people agree that Zimmerman has given several conflicting accounts of what transpired on February 26, the night Trayvon Martin died by a perfectly placed gunshot wound to the chest”


BARBARA WALTERS DISCUSSION OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN ON 'THE VIEW' includes an observation that GZ may have been motivated by the fact that when Hannity aired the story, donations to GZ begging site increased BUT now were decreasing and so perhaps GZ thought a personal appearance on Hannity could give him a popularity boost with the gun lobby and thus attracting more donations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HshVg...eature=related

[Barbara]

Originally Posted by claudette

Barbara, welcome to the discussion!

You mentioned October as being stressful for GZ.

Please see my post on page 9, #213, Aug. 10. Paragraphs 6 and 7 discuss GZ Solar return (SR) chart and it's proximity to the scheduled docket sounding. If this has been cancelled, I'm unaware of it.

Basically, his SR looks really challenging. If you have any questions regarding my post on that, let me know and I'll try to elaborate.

Have you checked out Justicequest? A HUGE thread there on TM and GZ and everything related in between. It's a part-time job to try to keep up with them.
Thanks for the other source.

Hi! I did read that post and elaboration would be great! My knowledge of astrology is pretty limited to sun, moon and rising. I am unfamiliar with charts and need interpretation. Although I have a sincere interest in astrology, I've never had a chart done. Maybe it's because I am afraid of what it might reveal. LOL! Understand that to mean that I've pretty much limited astrology to understanding the characteristics of myself and others, rather than predictions. What I feel by unctions generally agrees with astrological predictions. I read predictions in general, after I have an unction.

So, I'll throw this out and see if anyone here who knows about charts agrees or sees what I "feel." IMO, O'Mara is going to announce that GZ is not mentally able to participate in his defense. A psychological study might result in GZ being admitted to a mental hospital for treatment.

Oh, btw, there is good reason to believe that Shellie was in the vehicle that night. GZ almost slipped up during his re-enactment when saying, "Like I said, my wife" then he caught himself and said that he was going to the store for groceries. In the Hannity interview, he used the plural "we" saying along the lines that "We" go grocery shopping every Sunday. Papa Zim also said in an interview on CNN that George and Shellie always go grocery shopping on Sunday evenings.

This would also explain why GZ would tell a resident to call his wife and tell her he just shot somebody -- and did so in a cold fashion. That would convey to Shellie to get herself and the vehicle out of the vicinity.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Barbara

Oh, btw, there is good reason to believe that Shellie was in the vehicle that night. GZ almost slipped up during his re-enactment when saying, "Like I said, my wife" then he caught himself and said that he was going to the store for groceries. In the Hannity interview, he used the plural "we" saying along the lines that "We" go grocery shopping every Sunday. Papa Zim also said in an interview on CNN that George and Shellie always go grocery shopping on Sunday evenings.

This would also explain why GZ would tell a resident to call his wife and tell her he just shot somebody -- and did so in a cold fashion. That would convey to Shellie to get herself and the vehicle out of the vicinity.

GZ is heard on the 911 tape telling someone that the keys are in the vehicle and in view of those 'slip-ups' I agree it does seem very likely/possible Barbara that GZ was sending her a warning to take appropriate action regarding removing the vehicle from the scene.

There's plenty of information on youtube regarding this case - so much that it takes quite a while to sift.

I just viewed an unbiased statement considering the basic facts with the aim of addressing the question “Are we all clear on what a 'victim' is?” the video is entitled: GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IS 'DEVASTATED' and is viewable at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=artWq...eature=related


I also viewed discussions during which Thom Hartmann highlights the disturbing fact that “it's easier to kill on the streets of Florida than on the streets of Baghdad” the 99 word extract is sourced from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygRF0sjAB5Q


QUOTE:

“Florida and 20 other states are turning America into a battleground on which the rules of deadly force are even looser than Iraq/Afghanistan where American/coalition forces MUST DO SPECIFIC ACTIONS BEFORE they can shoot even somebody they're certain is an enemy intent on killing them!! BUT in states with 'Stand Your Ground And Shoot First' laws in place, there's no need to shout OR show your weapon OR try to restrain somebody OR fire a warning shot and all you need to do is - to quote the law - feel afraid - and you can shoot somebody dead”


Discussion on The Big Picture addressing the question: 'Why Are Gangs Of White Supremacists "Patrolling" Sanford?' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO1IL...feature=relmfu

[JUPITERASC]

94 word extract sourced from http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...man-blood-loss

QUOTE:

“TM died from massive internal bleeding, said Dr. William L. Manion, a board-certified anatomical, clinical/forensic pathologist and lawyer in Mount Holly, N.J. On 26 February at 19:17PM the bullet entered TM's chest square-on, just to the left of his breastbone, punching a hole in his right ventricle, the lower right chamber of the heart and then breaking into three pieces. Two fragments were found next to TM's perforated/collapsed right lung and his chest cavity filled with 2,300 milliliters of blood, according to the autopsy. That's about one-third of a healthy person's total blood volume”


fwiw IMO according to first responders at the scene who were police who apparently arrived ONLY TWENTY SECONDS AFTER THE SHOT WAS FIRED to find TM lying face down with both of his hands underneath his body. They yelled at TM to put his hands up but when TM did not respond they checked him for signs of life and discovered TM was not breathing and had no pulse. At some stage that has not been precisely timed, because they were searching for a plastic bag to attempt to seal the wound, two police officers began CPR and fwiw IMO those chest compressions obviously merely increased the amount of blood flooding TM's chest cavity from the bullet wound to the heart.


Remember also that two witnesses who raced out of their homes immediately after they heard a gunshot were sufficiently close to observe GZ straddling TM while pressing down on TM's back with his hands. Since TM's body was face down GZ was pressing TM's face into the grass/dirt making it impossible for him to breathe, even if TM could have with one lung collapsed. One of the two witnesses saw TM's leg kick out once while GZ was still applying his full 200lb bodyweight onto TM. With no incoming air that kick was likely a reflex as TM made a last effort to get some air maybe – no chance of that with a collapsed lung AND a 200lb adult male sitting on him. Is it possible that GZ was making certain that TM would not survive to contradict the story GZ now immediately began inventing? One of the witnesses actually spoke to GZ while he was still straddling the dying teen schoolboy, asking him what he was doing. The witness said she asked the question three times before GZ turned to her and said coldly “Call the police” The two witnesses state they then saw GZ walking to and fro, away from the body and then back to the body SEVERAL TIMES while holding his hands to his head before the police finally arrived... apparently only twenty seconds later.


Fwiw IMO the immediate and sudden cessation of the anguished screams bears testimony to the equally sudden collapse of the right lung causing an inability to speak. Another nearby resident witnessed two people struggling ON THE GROUND at the moment that the shot was fired and said that it was very dark and difficult to see exactly what was happening, but after the shot was fired 'The heavier built of the two' (i.e. GZ) then got up from on top, leaving the victim (i.e. TM) lying motionless face down - the witness also stated that the heavier individual appeared to be of Hispanic appearance. Some wonder whether TM was killed while lying on his back and then GZ flipped him over after the shot – not difficult since TM was thin and slender schoolboy with another year to go as a minor – if he had lived.


What I find strange is that the witness took photos of the scene with his mobile phone which he later saved onto his computer – and that those photos included one of TM's motionless body. How was the witness allowed to do that by police when this was a crime scene?

In any event, the existence of that photo is fortuitous in a sense because it clearly is useful as it records TM's position when GZ climbed off him BEFORE he was flipped over by paramedic first responders.



The Orlando Sentinel article also states - 91 word QUOTE:

“Firefighters arrived 10 minutes after the shooting, according to their incident report. They checked for breathing and a pulse, firefighter Tyler Rochefort later told FDLE agents, but found neither.

Two other firefighters slapped electrodes on Trayvon's body, checking for electrical heart impulses. Their monitor picked up a few electrical pulses, Sanford paramedic Mike Brandy wrote in his report. He watched for an estimated 30 seconds, then pronounced Trayvon dead, he told FDLE agents during an interview March 27. The official time of death was 7:30 p.m., 13 minutes after the shooting”


That may have been the OFFICIAL time of death but fwiw IMO the paramedic's chest compressions may have seemed to have kept the heart 'apparently beating' even though the heart may not necessarily have continued beating WITHOUT those chest compressions. ...TM's nails were blue according to the autopsy report which means any blood being pushed around the body by the paramedics actions was in any event not oxygenated due to the fact that TM's right lung was collapsed and he was not breathing. It is possible the shocking experience affected his ability to breathe as well and the combination of that with a collapsed lung and a bullet in the heart caused a swift loss of consciousness followed by almost immediate cessation of signs of life. ...TM was not breathing unaided for the ten minutes the paramedics kept up the chest compressions so then he was basically soon brain dead because the brain cannot survive for more than four minutes without adequate oxygen. TM would have lost consciousness very soon due to lack of blood/lack of oxygen to the brain and vital organs. Dr William Mannion said he would have been conscious for only 20 to 30 seconds after the gunshot that collapsed his right lung and began flooding his chest cavity with blood.

Remember that during those 20 to 30 seconds GZ was applying his full 200lb body weight onto TM's face-down body. Four minutes later TM's brain was basically suffering irreversible damage for lack of oxygen and he could not therefore have been considered 'conscious'. However I'm no expert so that is simply my opinion based on various reports I have read from the document dump viewable at http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/vie...-documents.pdf

[JUPITERASC]

“Many of you have asked questions regarding whether George Zimmerman must testify at the immunity hearing or at trial. Others, particularly Zimmerman supporters, have expressed an opinion that he can prevail without having to testify because he already said everything that needs to be said to the police. The quick answer is he is not legally required to testify, but he cannot possibly win unless he does testify. How else does he get his self-defense claim into evidence? Yet, at the same time, he probably cannot win because of his many conflicting statements”

the foregoing is a 93 word extract sourced from: “Will George Zimmerman Testify?” http://frederickleatherman.wordpress...erman-testify/




AN IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENT

96 word extract sourced from: “Did The Defense Change Strategy?” http://frederickleatherman.wordpress...ange-strategy/

“Until Mark O’Mara’s press conference, defense had claimed GZ was not following TM - just coincidentally running in the same direction looking for a street name and an address to provide to the dispatcher so that he could relay it to the officer en route.

Unfortunately GZimmerman jogged on past front doors/garage doors of several townhouses directly in front of him and slightly to his right on Twin Trees Lane. Yes, the addresses were in plain view.

When dispatcher picked up on his heavy breathing and asked if he were following TM, he answered, 'Yes.'.....”

[claudette]

What a gruesome, tragic scene. And doubly so, considering it all happened short seconds before the police got there. Which once again brings into question: knowing the police were on their way, why did GZ fire that shot. (We have strong suspicions why.)

Interestingly, the Justicequest forum has banned any discussion on racism. How can you eliminate that from the equation? Perhaps I mis-understood-perhaps it's just among posters-I skip around.

As sad as it is for others to consider all of this, it must be such a nightmare for the Martin family to know it all came down in a few seconds; after which their life will never be the same.

The SPD just blew it, however, and I hope there are long-term repercussions there, and hopefully some changes, now that the spotlight is on their bungling of the whole event.

Today I was looking at RZ and GladysZ charts, to try to figure out what kind of a childhood GZ had. In a word-it looks bleak.

It's from our mother, usually, where infants and children get their first experience with nurturing and being loved and accepted. GladysZ does not have a chart indicative of being able to give that. Her sun is in aquarius, as is her venus. Detachment. Her sun is also square GZ saturn. Her merc is in capricorn. Can be so cruel, at least cold. She does have a planet in cancer, but it is uranus, and it is out of bounds. Nope, no affection there, perhaps even an aversion, with an OOB uranus. And retrograde. Her saturn is (widely 9 degrees) conj Gz's sun.

RZ has saturn conj. pluto, as GZ does, and it is square GZ's saturn. GZ's saturn is really under attack by his parents. RZ has moon in aries-self absorbed, prone to outbreaks? He has merc in cancer, but he also was a career Marine-not necessarily prone to expressions of tenderness and affection. HIs neptune retro is in libra, conj. GZ sun. Mis-comunication/vagueness/misunderstandings?

This wouldn't be a good start for any child. Did GZ feel alienated and uncared for at an early age and this compelled him to a life of bullying and abusing? Of course it is not an excuse-there were thousands of people born with similar astrological makeup, and they didn't shoot down a 17 year old boy. But I think it sheds some light on how he could have, out of desperation, chosen a persona of a bully that constantly felt the need to assert himself, violently and perhaps with a certain amount of paranoia, on the circumstances around him. With a saturn so de-stabilized, where was his own sense of stability and strength and truth? And could this have to do with the ease in which he lies? Especially as his father bailed him out as a teen; refusing to acknowledge the abuse of his cousin? And as an adult, when he was violent with the police and his ex-girlfriend? It may have influenced his attraction to law enforcement-since he didn't seem to carry his own clear concept of what the law means. To him it was meant to be manipulated, and he got a lot of re-enforcement on that from his father, at least. Perhaps his mother, also.

It's impossible to know what really set him off on such an unhappy, unlawful life. And now he is going to have many years to ponder it. My guess, however, is that prison will only make him more bitter and cruel. This, also, is another tragedy.

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Originally Posted by claudette

What a gruesome, tragic scene. And doubly so, considering it all happened short seconds before the police got there. Which once again brings into question: knowing the police were on their way, why did GZ fire that shot. (We have strong suspicions why.)

Exactly claudette


98 word guidance extract:

“National Neighborhood Watch Institute (NNWI) is the premier national supplier of Neighborhood Watch materials. NNWI was the provider of the Sanford Florida sign seen prominently in recent news coverage.

Our Participants Handbook states:

“Always remember that your responsibility is to report crime.

Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest.

The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police/sheriff.”

Neighborhood Watch participants act as additional eyes and ears for law enforcement. They do not take the law into their own hands.

........'We Look Out For Each Other' is our motto.....”


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...orge-zimmerman

“Blacks and Hispanics are about three times more likely to be searched during a traffic stop than white motorists. African-Americans are twice as likely to be arrested and almost four times as likely to experience the use of force during encounters with police” Source: U.S. Department of Justice report

“Trayvon Martin vs Zimmerman's Character Flaws” http://www.examiner.com/article/tray...haracter-flaws

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Interesting blog http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2012/06/...ctment-my.html


QUOTE:

“Dr. Maureen O'Sullivan from the University of San Francisco, along with renowned expert Dr. Paul Ekman, completed a scientific study called The Wizards Project, which has identified 50 people with an exceptional ability to spot lies after testing more than 15,000 people. They call these people 'Truth Wizards'. Eyes for Lies is one of the 50 people identified”


QUOTE:

“Eyes for Lies kept score on her blog for 7.5 years and had an accuracy rate of 95% after identifying truth and deception in 38/40 people before the truth was known by watching media clips. A record comparable to none. Eyes for Lies is not psychic”

[claudette]

Barbara, in answer to your recent post: I am reluctant to offer elaboration on GZ solar return chart in light of your admission that your understanding of astrology is limited to sun, moon and rising signs, and that you've never had a reading on your natal chart. I don't mean to be factious, but frankly, I wouldn't know where or how to begin, if you don't know the basic concepts. If you are reluctant to find out your own astrological makeup, how can you interpret others? Sun, moon and asc are such a small part of one's astrological makeup, and then there are transits, progressions, solar returns, etc. At astro.com they offer individual chart interpretations: this could be a place for you to start if you cannot sit down with an astrologer face to face; the preferred method.

I don't understand what you mean by unctions. Do you mean premonitions or something of that ilk?

I agree with you, that someone else may have been in the truck with GZ, others have brought this up, and it is possible.

I checked the link you provided: their mention of Oct was very vague. I hold to my earlier post about the significance of the docket sounding/solar return.

As to GZ claiming mental incompetence: I think that's such an extreme reversal of their strategy so far as to be highly unlikely. I don't think it impossible if he and O'Mara are convinced he has no chance of acquittal, however. Yet it's way too early for that, I think.

If you have an interest in astrology, I'd encourage you to move ahead and educate yourself-there is an abundance of free information on the internet!

[Barbara]

Originally Posted by claudette

Barbara, in answer to your recent post: I am reluctant to offer elaboration on GZ solar return chart in light of your admission that your understanding of astrology is limited to sun, moon and rising signs, and that you've never had a reading on your natal chart. I don't mean to be factious, but frankly, I wouldn't know where or how to begin, if you don't know the basic concepts. If you are reluctant to find out your own astrological makeup, how can you interpret others? Sun, moon and asc are such a small part of one's astrological makeup, and then there are transits, progressions, solar returns, etc. At astro.com they offer individual chart interpretations: this could be a place for you to start if you cannot sit down with an astrologer face to face; the preferred method. !

Claudette. Thank you for being candid. Until about 2 yrs ago, I was unaware that astrology had advanced to where it is now in terms of charts. I was a Linda Goodman fan and her books pretty much addressed what my interests were in, which was understanding myself and others. I'll give astro.com a visit. Dr. Turi has peeked my interest also.

At this point in my life, being retired, I am not interested in what my career holds. Being divorced and a happy single, I'm not interested in a relationship. However, there are times I do wonder if they are the "right time" for certain things. For instance, I read earlier this year that Aquarians would find communications difficult until through April. I found that to be true.

Originally Posted by claudette

I don't understand what you mean by unctions. Do you mean premonitions or something of that ilk? !

For want of a better description, yes. I don't want to give the wrong impression, however. It's not as if I conjure them up or can. It goes back to when I was a little girl, and I remember many things from the age of 2 and telling my mother of feeling something was going to happen, and it subsequently came true. This also includes dreams and visions. I've found many times that what I felt was in agreement with the stars, and this also extended to what I felt about certain individuals. Thus, the beginning of my interest in astrology to understand myself and others.

[JUPITERASC]

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN FIGHTS SUBPOENA ASKING FOR RELEASE OF MEDICAL RECORDS http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...in-mark-o-mara


HOW WILL THE DEFENCE DEAL WITH THE TERRIFIED SCREAM? http://frederickleatherman.wordpress...rified-scream/


QUOTE:

“Startling new clues are faintly heard in background of on-going dialogue between GZ and dispatcher during the call GZ made moments before shooting TM. I would venture to say, one of the most damning pieces of evidence in the murder case against GZ is that recorded phone call.

After carefully listening again, I am convinced that the distinct and compelling noise heard is the smoking gun. It’s those sounds that likely led to the second-degree murder charge against GZ and could very well lead to a conviction at his trial” THE SMOKING GUN http://raymondahouse.blogspot.co.uk/

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ZIMMERMAN NEEDS MORE THAN HELP http://marinadedave.com/

96 word QUOTE:

“One small, but incredibly huge detail is Zimmerman admitted wearing his holster on his back right hip. This is extremely problematic because:


(1) To pull gun out of holster, Zimmerman must partially lift his right backside/butt cheek. That’s tough to do with someone sitting on you.


(2) So Trayvon could not have seen that gun if it was holstered - unless he saw through belly fat. So Trayvon never spotted the gun during this ‘so-called’ wrestling match and never went for it

- or obviously Trayvon saw it because Zimmerman had it drawn all along”