Astrology of adoption

[Blackempress]

I found the idea of researching aspects/configuration of planets commonly found in charts of adopted/orphanage children intriguing. Unfortunately as most of the time, birth data is not available it's hard getting much.

My interest was roused by a child I met. Being the only adopted child I expected her to be very confident but was surprised by the lack of it. Exact data unknown but Taurus Sun & (personal guess) Gemini Asc which places her sun in 12th house. The parents are on the verge of a separation & I was interested in seeing if I could counsel them in some way in respect to the child who is 6yrs atm. The mother has Neptune in 5th house.

Am interested if there are people who have adopted children & the presentations available in respect to personality development/outcome in their charts.

If there are difficult placements is there any advise for the foster parents of such children ?

[Moog]

Haven't looked into this myself yet.

There's a section in the ADB for adopted children though; http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/...hood_:_Adopted

[JUPITERASC]

fwiw BlackEmpress, interestingly Ancient astrology states:


“Saturn puts into one's hands supervisions, management of others' property and the fathership of others' children”


... source Vettius Valens Anthologies Book 1

[Blackempress]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

“Saturn puts into one's hands supervisions, management of others' property and the fathership of others' children”

Saturn is the father anyways, what's the difference?

[Inline]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

fwiw BlackEmpress, interestingly Ancient astrology states:


“Saturn puts into one's hands supervisions, management of others' property and the fathership of others' children”


... source Vettius Valens Anthologies Book 1

Interesting....
My Capricorn mother was adopted when she was 4yrs old, after her young Aquarian mother & Capricorn father passed her on to someone (we don't know who exactly) because they couldn't cope. It was the depression.

When however, my mother was finally adopted, it was by another Aquarian mom & Capricorn father....

She was finally able to track them down when she was 50yrs old, and to her total surprise, they'd married and had 3 more children. My mother suddenly realised that she'd been from a family with sisters & brothers too.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Inline

Interesting....
My Capricorn mother was adopted when she was 4yrs old, after her young Aquarian mother & Capricorn father passed her on to someone (we don't know who exactly) because they couldn't cope. It was the depression.

When however, my mother was finally adopted, it was by another Aquarian mom & Capricorn father....

She was finally able to track them down when she was 50yrs old, and to her total surprise, they'd married and had 3 more children. My mother suddenly realised that she'd been from a family with sisters & brothers too .

Thank you Inline, you have provided an interesting validation!


fwiw Vettius Valens makes a clear distinction when he states:

“The Sun indicates the father......

Saturn indicates the fathership of others' children"


source: Vettius Valens Anthologies book 1

[NeverSafe]

Originally Posted by Blackempress

I found the idea of researching aspects/configuration of planets commonly found in charts of adopted/orphanage children intriguing. Unfortunately as most of the time, birth data is not available it's hard getting much.

My interest was roused by a child I met. Being the only adopted child I expected her to be very confident but was surprised by the lack of it. Exact data unknown but Taurus Sun & (personal guess) Gemini Asc which places her sun in 12th house. The parents are on the verge of a separation & I was interested in seeing if I could counsel them in some way in respect to the child who is 6yrs atm. The mother has Neptune in 5th house.

Am interested if there are people who have adopted children & the presentations available in respect to personality development/outcome in their charts.

If there are difficult placements is there any advise for the foster parents of such children ?

"The mother has Neptune in 5th house."

I hate to be a bit out pf subject but, I think someone with that placing would be happy to adopt. I mean, I have this and I wouldn't mind adopting - ever, and I have known a lot of people who adopt (or foster) with this placing.
Because the 5th house can rule offspring even if its not your actual child.

[aparnajojo]

My details jojo: 16.12.86 tiruchchirapalli born 5:30am and his details are 5th november 1977 4:10am. we dont have babies and rahu in 5th house causes high alert about child birth. pls advice. is our saturn saying someone else's kids

[Blackempress]

Originally Posted by NeverSafe

"The mother has Neptune in 5th house."

I hate to be a bit out pf subject but, I think someone with that placing would be happy to adopt. I mean, I have this and I wouldn't mind adopting - ever, and I have known a lot of people who adopt (or foster) with this placing.
Because the 5th house can rule offspring even if its not your actual child.

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. The child was adopted since birth so reference is towards the foster parents. The Mother is the Foster mom with 5th Neptune.
The only deal that worried me was the slip of the child towards 'Neptunian' features as sometimes are indicated on parent's charts with 5th neptune in concoction of the 12th house Sun of child if the (F)parents divorce as the child would likely be under custody of the F-Mom but is very attached to the F-Father.

[NeverSafe]

Originally Posted by Blackempress

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. The child was adopted since birth so reference is towards the foster parents. The Mother is the Foster mom with 5th Neptune.
The only deal that worried me was the slip of the child towards 'Neptunian' features as sometimes are indicated on parent's charts with 5th neptune in concoction of the 12th house Sun of child if the (F)parents divorce as the child would likely be under custody of the F-Mom but is very attached to the F-Father.

umm...I don't think I misunderstood, that's what I meant. Neptune in fifth housers are the ones to adopt!

[Kannon]

There isn't much mystery here actually. Adoption has to do with a change in and/or uncertainty of parentage. So it shows up (in accurate charts) as aspects to the MC/IC axis like Pluto or Uranus - particularly angular ones, or with these types of factors in the 4th, particularly aspecting the Asc/1st house planets/Asc ruler. Sometimes Uranus is angular by house in addition (1st or 4th, etc).

My wife is adopted and her validated birth chart has Pluto at Asc squaring MC/IC axis with Uranus in 1st house.

[Kannon]

Originally Posted by Moog

Haven't looked into this myself yet.

There's a section in the ADB for adopted children though; http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/...hood_:_Adopted

Not a very good source for reliable, specific information. The first three examples use charts cast on times 'from memory.' This should never get an 'A' rating.

[Munch]

I'm adopted on my Mom's side, but still had my paternal father.

One thing that stands out to me in my chart and ALL of the ones that I briefly looked at provided by Moog involved aspects from Venus to Neptune or Neptune in a Venus ruled house.

For me, I have a really tight Moon/Venus/Neptune stellium.

[Munch]

Kannon, the only real aspects that my Pluto makes is a conjunction to my pof in the 1st house.

It does sextile my moon/venus/neptune, but I tend to discount sextiles in terms of innate or latent potency. Thoughts?

I'm adopted by Mom.

[Moog]

Originally Posted by Kannon

Not a very good source for reliable, specific information. The first three examples use charts cast on times 'from memory.' This should never get an 'A' rating.

Funny, I said something *similar* a while ago, and got a right tongue lashing from a now defunct forum member.

I think it's a fine resource, very happy to be able to use it, and freely.

But my advice is to always look at the source details and do your own rectification/verification if possible.

[rahul_rastogy]

Originally Posted by Blackempress

I found the idea of researching aspects/configuration of planets commonly found in charts of adopted/orphanage children intriguing. Unfortunately as most of the time, birth data is not available it's hard getting much.

My interest was roused by a child I met. Being the only adopted child I expected her to be very confident but was surprised by the lack of it. Exact data unknown but Taurus Sun & (personal guess) Gemini Asc which places her sun in 12th house. The parents are on the verge of a separation & I was interested in seeing if I could counsel them in some way in respect to the child who is 6yrs atm. The mother has Neptune in 5th house.

Am interested if there are people who have adopted children & the presentations available in respect to personality development/outcome in their charts.

If there are difficult placements is there any advise for the foster parents of such children ?

The adoption is not an easy task. Sometimes the genes of the child are such that you aren't able to catch up with the child. But that doesn't matters a lot and you get into trouble. You require to have patience and get the things checked up and work with really a lot of care.

[may28gemini]

i think that neptune in the 5th is a very strong candidate to adopt children whether those children are blood related or not. neptune is about higher love and compassion for others who aren't part of our normal tribe.

as for me, i have nothing in the 5th house but it's aquarius. the rulers of my 5th is in my 1st (saturn) and 2nd (uranus). i'm on the fence about adoption but i was made a godmother when i was 20 by my best friend. if anything happened to my friend, i'd gladly take in her daughter. the child happens to be capricorn sun/aqua moon and a very proper and well-behaved child (for the most part). however, i'm not likely to be a direct/hands-on type of parent/guardian, i would require that the child be very independent and know how to fend for themselves. because i already know this, if i ever do a adopt, i would adopt older kids- the "undesirables" slash underdogs.

[Blackempress]

Originally Posted by Munch

I'm adopted on my Mom's side, but still had my paternal father.

One thing that stands out to me in my chart and ALL of the ones that I briefly looked at provided by Moog involved aspects from Venus to Neptune or Neptune in a Venus ruled house.

For me, I have a really tight Moon/Venus/Neptune stellium.

This is an interesting concept to explore. I don't have the chart of the child who inspired this but I will definitely keep this for check.

Originally Posted by may28gemini

, i'm not likely to be a direct/hands-on type of parent/guardian, i would require that the child be very independent and know how to fend for themselves. because i already know this, if i ever do a adopt, i would adopt older kids- the "undesirables" slash underdogs.

I agree with wanting the children to be independent & have wanted to adopt but my parents don't allow. Thanks!

[fullmoonlibra]

I consider adopted children as 'lucky' children.
Because fate brings them in better conditions then they would be in when they would stay with their parents.
(sorry for my grammar, English is not my maternal language)

So I believe that adopted children have lots of Uranus and Jupiter in their chart..

I have a friend who's adopted, and he has a stellium of personal planets in Sagittarius. With close conjunction of Sun and Uranus: break up with father. And a Saturn-Moon conjunction: absence of Mom.
Jupiter is trine Sun/Uranus, which shows the sudden lucky strike, by leaving poverty and being adopted by rich 'parents' who are living at the other part of the world.
But the stellium (Sun, Moon, Venus, Uranus) and Saturn is opposite Chiron in Gemini (community).
So there is the pain from the adoption, I guess.
He doesn't feel fitted in the community where he lives now. He feels different and he looks different (chiron opposite to sagi)..

[may28gemini]

i just remembered that my paternal grandmother was an aquarius and she was adopted. not much was talked about her origins and we're uncertain about the people that were present on her "side" of the family (25 years ago when she was alive) if they were even blood related. she ended up marrying a capricorn man and they had 8 natural children, my dad being the 1st boy and 2nd of the 8 kids. my grandmother didn't have much by way of "family" when she was young, but she felt very family oriented and always wanted a big family...which was what she did when she married my grandfather. she fulfilled her lack of family by creating her own when she became a mother and then grandmother.

that being said, i think yes, adopted children probably are lucky to get a 2nd chance to having a family take care of them but they tend not feel wanted which could be a strong uranus influence. my grandmother didn't visit her "family" after she got married. as a matter of fact, when she was alive, none of the kids were allowed to talk about her adoption status nor about her "parents." it wasn't until after her death that my dad decided to break the silence and contacted her family to let them know what had happened to her. my parents and i journeyed to visit and learn about my grandmother's family. my dad got to meet his cousins, aunts, and uncles from his mother's side for the first time in life when he was in his late 30s. at that point it didn't matter about my grandmother's dubious origins, my dad just wanted to build a bridge and connect with long lost family. my dad was and still is the only one that keeps in touch with my grandmother's family.

[Munch]

Originally Posted by may28gemini

that being said, i think yes, adopted children probably are lucky to get a 2nd chance to having a family take care of them but they tend not feel wanted which could be a strong uranus influence.

I can attest that this is certainly the case with me. However, to be fair I did have one mom abandon me, another mom throw me out because her lying, p.o.s. (now) ex husband said I pulled a knife on him......I'm hard pressed to smash a bug. I used to yell. Now I just kinda look at people crazy when I am upset and walk away.

Anyway, my dad threw me out for his new wife and her grown daughter who had her own baby. No room for me.

I have never had a stable environment or one in which I was genuinely nurtured. It pains me to say that because I know they tried, but my parents were just not healthy people.

I really feel that my aversion to relationships in general and my ability to drop a person without a blink is directly linked to this.

It's only been through having my first real relationship with my current boyfriend that I have started to see what a 'healthy' family unit looks like. I'm learning a great deal through him and have finally tapped that committed Capricorn quality of loyalty because of his love for me. Seriously, the guy must be a bit off to hang with me. *smiles and shrugs