The U.S.A. WHO it is & WHERE-TO [ptv natal chart]

[piercethevale]

I was in this other thread this eve. [the one I introduced this chart in] as I needed to copy some posts for my files and such. As I started this thread on the morning I got news my friend Cliff died and 3 days before I went to the hospital for an emergency operation without which I would have died [so the Docs. tell me] I lost the reins I had on the process here...that of explaining what this proposed USA natal chart says about the nation.

Review, The Asc. of a natal chart is

the "WHO", for this U.S. of A.

natal chart that is the 22nd of Aries: [Rudhyar]

"THE GATE TO THE GARDEN OF ALL FULFILLED DESIRES.

KEYNOTE: Abundance made possible by human togetherness and cooperation.

In contrast [to the previous degree and symbol at the 21st of Aries]Alone, a human being can barely survive in nature's great life drama; in organized groups men can in due time fulfill their desires. The abundant life is in theory open to all. At least this is the ideal, the great dream...
...the goal of happiness dominates the consciousness of cultural man, the more validly so the more modest his desires. Religious philosophies, like American New Thought, glorify this social feeling of abundance, glamorizing it into an avid COSMIC OPTIMISM and a cult of success."

Let me emphasize here:

Abundance that can only be made possible by human togetherness and cooperation with an avid Cosmic optimism.

[piercethevale]

The Descendant . represents

the "WHERE-TO" of the U.S. of A

.
The Descendant of this chart is the 22nd of Libra [ibid.]
[it happens to be the degree of my natal Neptune in my 11th House btw...which I bring up as I know it well and understand it so much. To have it on the Desc. the cusp of the 7th House the house of relationships is not too unlike that of the house of friends...noi?]

"A CHILD GIVING BIRDS A DRINK AT A FOUNTAIN.

KEYNOTE: The concern of simple souls for the welfare and happiness of less-evolved beings who thirst for life renewal.

...Man, who has built the fountain — perhaps on arid land and through skillful work — gives the life-bestowing water to the thirsting birds. He does not go to the sea, but he brings the purified, drinkable water to the birds needing it. The connection between "child" and "birds" implies a spontaneous, nai've rapport at the spiritual level, a soul-touch at the level of pure feelings. At this...stage of the...process ... takes on a suggestive aspect. What you received from the Infinite, you can give to the finite beings that thirst for it. Man does not need to destroy nature's wilderness through greed and carelessness; he can transform this wilderness into a garden,[emphasis is mine ptv] whose singing fountains will attract birds. We can use here Marc Jones's Keyword for this degree: SOLICITUDE.

So we Have the 'WHO" what this nation called the United States of America is

"The Garden Of All Fulfilled Desires."

...yep, sounds about right. The Land of Plenty, The Land Of Opportunity, "beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain, for purple mountain majesties above the fruited plain. [&] for halcyon skies above the enameled plain"

And is destined to become, but not by destroying nature's wilderness through greed and carelessness that is will become even more than 'The Garden' it was envisioned at birth it will be by transforming this wilderness into a garden, that 'The Garden' will also become a place, a haven for concern of those more spiritual oriented souls, who were the greater base population that was settling in that land, [The 'Society of Friends", {my ancestral American roots, since 1686, aka "Quakers"} invited all persecuted religious orders in the Old World, Christian and Jewish alike, to come live among them in Pennsylvania as "Friends"] for the welfare and happiness of less-evolved beings who thirst for life renewal through...

"SOLICITUDE"

For the Welfare and Happiness Of Less-Evolved Beings Who Haven't Had The Opportunity To Spiritually Evolve

Perhaps best expressed in this excerpt by American Jewess author and poet, Emma Lazarus in her stirring "Ode to the New World" which is engraved on a plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty: " 'Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!' cries she with silent lips. 'Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!' "

continued next: "HOW" and "WHY" the U.S.A. is to achieve this...

[piercethevale]

The M.C. of a natal chart is that of the "HOW" of the chart axis, if one wishes to read the axis in a 'Spiritually Evolutionary" manner of the process [if one wishes to read it the opposite of that, just reverse these two, but the Asc. is the "WHO" and the Desc. remains the "WHERE-TO" regardless.]

The M.C. of this chart for the U.S.A. I propose is the legitimate natal chart of its' birth [or at the least as worthy as any other for consideration to be the natal chart...imho...of course...!] is the

"HOW" the U.S. of A. is to achieve "WHERE-TO"

it is it's destiny to do so become that, literally by the symbolism of the 12th degree of Capricorn.
[ibid.]
"AN ILLUSTRATED LECTURE ON NATURAL SCIENCE REVEALS LITTLE-KNOWN ASPECTS OF LIFE.

KEYNOTE: The ability to explore unfamiliar realms and discover the laws underlying the complex processes of nature.

The aristocratic garden[s of the 'Old World' have now] become the laboratory and lecture hall of a modern college. The emphasis here is on the acquisition of extensive knowledge, the satisfaction of intellectual curiosity. Nevertheless, there is also an aristocracy of science:...[and the danger lies in become an 'aristocracy of science'. To allow the 'Beautiful Garden' of 'Solicitude' for the welfare and happiness of less-spiritually evolved beings that had broken free of the fetters that denied them that opportunity to do so, to become an Orwellian like mechanized genetically modified, chemically dependent, nightmare of a society, arrogantly disrespectful of nature and Humankinds own naturalism, and again bind its' own with those same damning fetters once again ] it is man's essential function to become fully conscious of all life forms and processes on this earth. Mankind is the conscious mind of the planet. [Italics and emphasis are mine. ptv]

...the intellectual search for empirical knowledge contrasts with the display attendant to the wealth and culture of an elite. Civilization is founded on an ever-extended capitalization on knowledge [Italics and emphasis are mine. ptv] and use of technology. ... EXPLOITATION preeminently at all levels."

I just love that part I Italicized and underlined in the last paragraph,

capitalization on knowledge

...Now to me, ... That's REAL capitalism....


Next up, "WHY"

[piercethevale]

[NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS IN ERROR, I AM LETTING THE POST REMAIN FOR NOW...SO AS TO NOT CREATE ANY CONFUSION, I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE FOR THE ERROR. THE CORRECT POINT IS... 07* Gemini 33' 09" ...ptv]

Update, Sept. 26, 2012 This also happens to be the "Part of Eccentricity" [Asc. + Mercury -Uranus. Some consider it to be the "Part of Astrology"...I'm not sure about either one of those titles..but I do believe that another Part, called that is most very likely...just that.

...but I would like first to remind all that the Part of Destiny [M.C. + Sun - Moon] from this chart is the 18th of Gemini
[again, from Dane Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols "An Astrological Mandala"]

"TWO CHINESE MEN CONVERSE IN THEIR NATIVE TONGUE IN AN AMERICAN CITY.

KEYNOTE: The need for the mind to retain its independence from its physical environment in order to concentrate on its special problems.

Individuals [from the Old World] who have entered into a new realm of activity usually find themselves alienated from social environment. [In their way] they "live in the world"... ...but "are not of the world." They normally seek companions who can speak their language. It may be an "old" language, that of wisdom rather than that of knowledge...

...This... ...stage of the process reveals what...[may, and usually does] occur when the individual has developed new capacities for experience that may enable him...[to enter and merge with the infinite like Ocean] of the planetary mind of Man. [to others, the every day Jane and John Q. Public's] He appears to speak a foreign tongue. He experiences a process of INSULATION; [although not ever] really alone. ...He finds those who can understand him."

[piercethevale]

"Thus says the LORD,
__________________ who gives the

SUN

_______________for light by day"

(Jeremiah 31:35-36)

The I.C., the Nadir of this proposed natal chart of the U.S. of A. is the 12th of Cancer. To be exact for that stroke of mid-night it reads from astrodiensts' computer ephemeris [pre-compromised] as 11* Cancer 44' 18". I give the exact co-ordinates of the degree of the I.C. as the Sun for this chart is at 12* Cancer 38' 28", that's a conjunction by less than 1 degree of 'orb'. So as such, the Suns' Sabian Symbolism adds to the message of the "WHY" of the nation as to the answer of "WHY" in the process of chart axis Sabian Symbolic analysis of Asc.-to- Desc. and M.C.-to-I.C. ["WHO"-to-"WHERE-TO" & "HOW"-and-"WHY"] it was to be done, in the same order and manner as for that, in getting from "WHO" to "WHERE-TO" & "HOW" for this proposed chart.

That it is thus a sythesis I have found as to the "WHY" of the natal chart message, and I feel that it is most definitely and undeniably so when a Planent, Luminary or Moons Node is within 1 degree of orb, as the Sun is in this chart. One must think of the Suns' own inherent qualities too when adding to the "WHY" of the chart symbolically, and in an 'Evolutionary" procession through the Zodiac which runs clock-wise, and is in opposition to the so called "Traditional Astrology" method, it thus preceeds the I.C. and should be given that consideration too in my opinion but only as that which assists that of "WHY" it was to be so. But because, I have to, for once admit I'm a tad stumped as to the precept of the symbolism itself, if that it doesn't in this instance also indicate "WHY" it was able to be accomplished? If it preceeded the M.C. or the Desc. instead then one would say it asissts the means as to "HOW" or "WHERE-TO", but at this point the objetive and means have been accomplished and the understanding is what is now sought in the procession as to "WHY" . Thus I submit it for all to consider as to them selves or to resolve among you what that might be...
I must say though, this is so appropriate in my opinion for the fact that it has often been said that it was this very quality that maade this nation great back in the day...and I think it is about time we admit that to ourselves and seek to 'right our course' and align ourselves with the Nadir and Mid Haven again.
The Sun for this chart is the 13th of Cancer:[ibid]

"A HAND WITH A PROMINENT THUMB IS HELD OUT FOR STUDY.

KEYNOTE: The power of the will in shaping character.

Here again we see how a personal characteristic reveals what is behind it psychologically and spiritually. The thumb in palmistry signifies the will; a very rigid thumb shows an unbending will; a more flexible one, a more pliable individual. In the original formulation of the symbol the "hand" was said to be "slightly flexed" which may be taken to suggest a more flexible character. Nevertheless, the basic meaning is that individuality can only express itself through a strong character. Whenever this symbol confronts a person or a situation it is shown that a strong will is required to face the issue at stake.

This is the third stage in the twenty-first five-fold sequence, and the Keyword is CHARACTER."

..and that goes so well, I think, when combined with the Sun...the Ego, the raw material of the very psychology of being of the nations' people.

We will add this to the final ingredient...
the "WHY" of it all... as to "WHO" this nation was in the beginnig, "WHERE-TO" it went and became... and "HOW" it did so...
And most of all, in my humble opinion, "WHY" it should, and should always be that 'Trinity'!

next... the answer at last, "WHY"

[piercethevale]

I gave some thought to the Sun conjunct I.C. situation through the day and it all became clear to me.

Developing a society of people of strong will and character is part of the "WHY" of this nations' existence.

The ''Explorers'' that crossed either of the two oceans to arrive at the North American Continent, I would tend to be of a very assured opinion that they were men of "strong will and character" and were the exception rather than the rule among the Europeans that came here.
Yet, I also tend to believe that of those who were among the earliest settlers before and right up to the time this land, I'm living upon,[and in fact have never been off of it...as I've only been to about 42 of the "Lower United States" and across the southern most regions of Canada and nowhere else in the entire 59 plus years, I've been in existence.] regardless of how meek, anxious, unsure, indecisive and, also maybe even somewhat, timid began acquiring some iota of a stronger will and developed a bit of more character the moment they stepped off of the ship that brought them here and they stood with both feet upon the soil and saw how vast it's wilderness, the task then now ahead of them and the realization that: they did at that moment had for the first time in their life, their opportunity to be, the potential to accomplish not only something as that.... but also the freedom [or enough of it] and unrestrained 'Free Will' to accomplish it.

So what I'm saying is, [what I knew I should have said right from the beginning] ... Yes, the Sabian Symbol for the Sun in this natal chart should be thought of as added to the overall meaning of the I.C. as part of the "WHY"...added to as the reason "WHY" this nation had to have been born as such as it was, Cosmically Decreed by the four 'precepts' of the three hundred and sixty there are in the zodiac "WHO" it was "WHERE-TO" it was headed and "HOW" it had to accomplish this and "WHY" it had to be that way, as the 'Cosmos' wanted a nation to be born and out of that nation a new society of Humanity~WHICH~the 'Cosmos' also desired too... that it's people acquire more determined WILL and CHARACTER than was possible for that to have happened in "THE OLD WORLD."


ps...And not to be overlooked, as, imho, it shouldn't be. The esoteric and occult number of 'The Christ' is 888 [Not the Man from Nazareth whom became one WITH "The Christ", Yeshu'a/Jesus, whose number is 33 as His mother, Mary's, is 55] ...and twice 888 is 1776... as I also point out and do give a great deal more on as to any and or all of that, in the book I wrote and was published. But one of the subjects, aside but very much connected as to that is that, I had noticed that two of these numbers, those being 666 and 888, to also be that of astrological cycles in years.

There's a most interesting fact, that which being of that is, any two things of a nature either in the physical or the abstract with those two numbers in years will always conjunct again in the exact same degree of the Zodiac if they originally started as being in conjunction. This is a topic in my book, a thread I have at another internet astrology forum [I may have written one at this forum too, but it would have been a long time ago]...and I wrote of it, very recently in a thread on first House matters and the Thema Mundi in another sub-forum here at a.w.
It takes four cycles of 666 to equal 3 passages of 888, and with a little math it is easy to find that this occurs ever 2664 years. As the four Zodiacal points of the 1st degree of the Cardinal Signs are of a most sensitive subject in that post of mine, where-in, I did write on some of this. Having said that, I can now point out that 888 divided by four will give the number 222.
If Yeshu'a/Jesus was born in the year 3 C.E., then consider that, as 2 x 888 = 1776 .... and thus... 3 + 1776 + 222 = 2001.
Now consider that, 3 x 666 = 1998...and then... 1998 + 3 = 2001.

[piercethevale]

The "WHY of this chart, in a 'Spiritual Evolutionary' interpretation, is that of the I.C. or Nadir as it is also called and by this chart that is 11* Cancer 44' 18", that is the 12th degree of Cancer by degree symbol enumeration. I find this symbol to be particularly intriguing as to this charts' Part of Destiny I wrote of in an earlier post.

From the 12th degree of Cancer, We then get to know

"WHY"

The Nation Of The
U.S. of A
By Cosmic Decree

"WHO" Is That

"GARDEN OF ALL FULFILLED DESIRES"

And One Of An

Abundance That Can Only Be Made Possible By Human Togetherness and Cooperation With An Avid Cosmic Optimism

Which "WHERE-TO"
It Became A Nation
That Is A Refuge,
A Land, A Place Of

"SOLICITUDE"

For The Welfare And Happiness Of Less-Evolved Beings Who Haven't Had The Opportunity To Spiritually Evolve,

And "HOW"
Through The

"Capitalization On Knowledge"

By Exploring Unfamiliar And New Realms, And Discovering Those Laws That Underlie The Complex Processes Of Nature.

For The Reason "WHY":

Which is according to Dane Rudhyar's book of the Sabian Symbols:

"A CHINESE WOMAN NURSING A BABY WHOSE AURA REVEALS HIM TO BE THE REINCARNATION OF A GREAT TEACHER.

KEYNOTE: The revelation of latent worth in an experience once it is seen in its deeper meaning.

...[in comparison to and contrasting the previous symbol, in its' sequential enumeration but prior to it in an Spiritually Evolutionary interpretation, of a harlequin in mimic or mime] we now have a symbol which demands that we look beyond common appearances and try to discover the “occult” [i.e. occluded or masked in its own way as is that harlequin] character of [this nation, its' people and all their experiences as one] This symbol [noted Rudhyar, shouldn't be taken enraptuously because,] there is no particular reference here to an avatar or messiah, except [for the meaning that potentially every and any man or woman, but in this instance this particular nation of the U.S. of A. may and could be in an inferred meaning to be an] avatar or manifestation [of an entity of a special and intended reason, A Manifest Destiny if I may be permitted to use the term here, on this Planet known as Terra]. To discover this occult potential of being, one requires a deeper or higher “vision,” a holistic perception [of their function within the whole of all that is inclusive in and of this world and the common 'Society of Humankind.']

[Rudhyar noted that the clairvoyant whom ascertained the Sabian Symbols might have indeed mis-identified what should have been described by Her as a Tibetan and somehow 'lucked out' by also referring to a process they are known for in looking among their own young for that 'Golden Child', the next] Dalai Lama, The Keyword is REVELATION."

And I do want to recall everyones' attention that this degree of the Zodiac, is that which, follows in the 'spiritually evolutionary' method of interpretation to that of the Sun of this chart. Thus, the Suns' message is also part of the "WHY" of this particular nations' existence, but I personally believe that the I.C. [or any of the Chart axes other three points in a similar situation] always has the emphasis upon it. Yet when it is preceding it in the, 'spiritually evolutionary' manner of, interpretation, as it is here, it also is something of a prerequisite...if that makes the same sense to anyone of you, that it does to me.{?}

..and if you would all be as so kind as to please recall what I did mention about that numerological, occult and esoteric, significance of the number 888 and it being a cycle of years and two of these cycles is 1776 years...Hmmmmm?

[piercethevale]

And not to be "Politically Incorrect"...and because I am part Native American and my niece is almost a full 50% herself, I feel I shouldn't have to apologize for the fact that it may seem to be as so. There is some very strange irony, so oddly keen too in a almost disturbing way though about this symbol being particularly the one that calculates from this chart to be what it is as to this topic. But please, if you will allow to, try to follow Mr. Rudhyars explanation as to how He believed it should be regarded in the 'abstract sense' of the symbol... Thus with that all being said, I wish to also mention that from this chart the Part of Fortune...symbolically, that action, attitude, frame of mind or however a particular Sabian Symbol does apply to the overall chart but more specifically to the chart axis message and those particular Astrological Parts/Lots of which the one of "Destiny" is an example... is that by which One is to be most fortunate in accomplishing Ones' 'Dharma' and that calculates to:
25* Scorpio 40" 42"...that is the 26th degree of Scorpio

...and...[ibid.]

"AMERICAN INDIANS* MAKING CAMP AFTER MOVING INTO A NEW TERRITORY.

KEYNOTE: The ability to adjust swiftly to a new situation by tuning in to its requirements.

...[When One is living] in harmony with nature, moving on as [as any need becomes tantamount. One will be, or should be if One is indeed living in that 'Harmony',] intuitively at home everywhere. [One doesn't] make demands upon life, [as One has identified oneself] with the great rhythms of the biosphere [then One] functions at peace with what [One has produced]. This is the message of the American Indian* culture which European invaders so wantonly and meaninglessly destroyed nearly everywhere. Western man has lost faith in life because he wants to dominate and enslave manifestations.

This... brings to us a message we greatly need today [which We, 'Yanks', always needed to know, or should have known all along, and if We did, even if We had or have forgotten it, should...IMHO... D*** Well Better Remember, Or Learn, Right Quick that] .. as a nation, as a society — the message of peaceful adaptation to nature, and through adaptation, of EFFICIENT FUNCTIONING in all life situations."

* [my deepest apologies to those of you reading this and those in particular in India, those in the Americas' and elsewhere of Indian ancestry ...and those of you that I am also bound to by our common blood heritage, even though it be that I'm not entirely of that particular blood relationship, but I do have to use the term as given by the clairvoyant and subsequently used by Mr. Rudhyar, for this post, otherwise I feel its' peculiar strange irony that I am at a loss to describe but somehow intuitively believe that I know I must post it in this original form. Maybe someone will be able to see it, or feel it intuitively as I do, and also be able to explain why someday? {and I know what I want to say...but I'll be darned if I'm going to say it at this time considering all the flack I've taken already for proposing this chart to be that of the natal of the United States of America}. Thank you, ptv]

[piercethevale]

Well, gee...something new comes up out of the blue ...just

like

that

Every now and then.
If any of you have read the thread on the Pentagram situation that is the product of those Sun/Venus conjunctions that I wrote about the Quintile YODS and explained that ones Mid-Haven should be thought of as an abode atop a mountain in a valley on the top of that mountain and on either side surrounding this abode is the rim of the valley atop this. I then mention the two rims are 36* to either side and that these rims are to be thought of the sentry posts of two guardian Angels. Here's a link to that article and read posts #2 and #3 if you care too.
I noted something about the 1st degree of Libra and the 25th of Leo being 36 degrees apart and being in semi-Quintile aspect.
As I was looking at the chart I wrote that book about on the "Man from Naz." on another website a few moments ago and checking it for integrity due to some odd occurrences concerning data being altered at the website I generated it from. [which I'm not going into ...been there -done that] I did notice that the M.C. for the chart I propose is that of the "Man from Naz." at [my current est.] 00* Cancer 46'. Well it suddenly dawned on me that the North Node of the U.S. of A. is at 06* Leo 35'....36 degrees away! The same thing goes for the South Node to the I.C. of the Mans' chart.
...And only just this moment as I'm looking at the Mans' chart with His Asc. at 00* Libra 42' I see that 24* Leo 42' is 36 degrees to the one side and that
06* Scorpio 42' is to the other side [both of those degrees are part of the double pentagram matrix I mentioned...]

This chart I propose to be the true and legit chart of the U.S. of A. has a M.C. at 11* Capricorn 44'. The semi -Quintile to the one side is 17* Aquarius 44' and to the other is 05* Sagittarius 44'...right where the Moons North Node was just a couple of weeks ago. Wow...major epiphany! just now.... on the other side of the of the Mans charts' M.C. is 24* Taurus 46"...the Part of Innocence [or also know as the Part of Disputes, or the Part of Lawsuits] for the U.S. of A. is at 25* Taurus 07'

As this seems to reinforce the whole basic message of the chart axis and the significance I point to as of the year 1776 being twice 888, I'm getting the message that the North Node of the chart for the nation is saying that [as I've given many a demonstration and examples of how the North Node indicates the overall ephemeral activity for that day to all the worlds Human society ...and as I just explained to member named "Lordistheway" in the Sabian forum a couple of hours ago...[man, there's some synchronicity right there in the members avatar name... this is saying to me that this nation was also created to be as ONE with one of those guardian Angels protecting the M.C. , the "HOW" of the Mans' chart axis which is a symbol of sailors lowering and old flag and raising a new one...the new Archetype of allegiance...

I think I need to take a break here for awhile and ..this was more than I thought it was going to be here folks...it wasn't what i was intending to get into...this just turned out this way...I got that degree in Taurus in mind and that Part of Innocence or Disputes whichever you prefer on my mind too....!

[piercethevale]

The [true] North Node of the chart I propose is that of the U.S. of A. is at
06* Leo 35' 08" ...that is the 7th degree of Leo
This was the meaning of what all the "Stars in the Heavens" had to say about that days activity upon this Earth as to what it meant to the world society of Humankind...what the birth of the nation of the U.S. of A. did mean to all.
[and it's just so doggone perfect....]
Rudhyar:

"THE CONSTELLATIONS OF STARS SHINE BRILLIANTLY IN THE NIGHT SKY.

KEYNOTE: The power of basic spiritual values which refer to man's common humanity and to all enduring archetypes."

The experience of the night sky with its multitude of stars, especially brilliant in all the countries from which astrology came, is just as basic and archetypal an experience [as any, and all, ephemeral and seasonal activity. Humankind since time immemorial has developed the idea and outlines of]constellations, [there is, within Humankind, a deep seated yearning to find] order in existence and [see concepts within themselves and to find somewhere within nature to draw it, paint it, sculpt it or some way or another to find a natural medium in nature to give it] permanent form. ... [Humankind is trying to see or cast his own psyche and archetypal patters, those iconic templates on or into nature...and yet aren't we astrologers looking to where the Cosmos {The Creator} is attempting to do the same upon Humankind?] In either case we deal with archetypal factors which endure through a long series of generations. ...

... The nearly unchanging patterns of star groups ... opposed to the sequence of ever-changing... social ideals. The Keyword here is PERMANENCE."

[piercethevale]

As to the above...I just realized President Obamas' Asc. is [by the released birth certificate that I've been saying is undeniably so ...imho... because of the symbology...]

18* Aquarius 02' 41"...and that is within 19's of a degree orb to a perfect conjunction to one of the Guardian sentry points of the M.C. of the United States.... :


Now...I'm Not Saying!...I'm just sayin'....

[piercethevale]

and I've tried to stay out of this presidential thing but looks like I'm getting dragged in by my own hand...I see that according to astrotheme's web site Mitt Romneys M.C. is 06° Aquarius 43'... & the U.S. of A.s' natal South Node is @ 06* Aquarius 35' 08" and his PoF is 07* Aquarius 27'...wow... almost one and the same ...
and Venus at 08* Aquarius 33' hmmmmmmmmmm?

Those are two pretty fine symbols to have for the M.C and PoF like I said they are hand in Hand the "HOW" or the "WHY" which ever way he swings. [I know them both well as my North Node is O6* Aq 54' and my Hermetic Lot of Courage is 07* Aq 39']

OMG...his South Node is 05 Sagittarius 29' the semi -Quintile point to the other side of the U.S. of A.s', [...again...at 11* Capricorn 44' 18"] M.C. at 05* Sagittarius 35'
Obamas Asc on the one side...Mitts South Node to the other side of the U.S. of A.s' natal M.C.

I think I'd best just take this to another thread I'll start...or not... and leave any further politics out of this thread

[piercethevale]

This thing with Romney and the M.C./I.C. and the Moons Nodes is saying that it comes down to whether he is a 'Spiritually evolutionary" person or a "Spiritually involutionary" person.
See, in the first sense, he's here to be of service to the nation... or if in the other sense and meaning, then he's using the nation to serve his needs*.


* ps...I should have written it as "...His desires" ... because, as to what I did write, " ...His needs..." is acceptable pertaining to the fact that it can mean, just food and shelter... I felt it to be appropriate to not edit the sentence for the fact that it allows me to emphasize, that one does need, to 'weigh' what they've written when dealing with such abstract concepts as this one, before they post or publish anything.

[piercethevale]

[THIS IS MAJOR NEWS...!!!!] I fouled up in post #4. The correct Sign and degree for the U.S.A's natal Part of Destiny is: 07* Gemini 33' 09", not the 18th degree as I had wrote, but rather the 8th degree of Gemini.
This is conjunct the natal Uranus @ 08* Gemini 53' 06"... again, I apologize for this error and especially so for not having noticed sooner. Uranus has been in this degree in progressed charts since the Kennedy assassination...It is there now and will be there still come Novembers' election and also at the time I see for the USA natal Part of Transformation being conjuncted by Uranus @ 09* Aries 30' next April 15th.
[ibid.]

GEMINI 8° "AROUSED STRIKERS SURROUND A FACTORY.

KEYNOTE: The disruptive power of the ambitious mind upon the organic wholeness of human relationship.

We are dealing in this sequence of symbols with man's discovery of the new powers residing in his special contribution to the total organism of this planet Earth — his consciousness and aggressive mind. The first stage (Phase 66) dealt with oil, the typical form of energy which the modern mind has made available. (These symbols were revealed before atomic energy was even thought of as a practical possibility.) Now we see in this new symbol a pictorial indication of what the use of this intellect-generated energy inevitably leads to: industrial unrest and violence. As man manages to rape the earth in order to demonstrate his power and intensify his pleasures and his sense of proud mastery, conflicts and disruptive processes are inevitably initiated.

The arousal is presented to us here in its collective social form because we have reached the emotional-cultural level. The type of power generated by the analytical intellectual faculties is essentially disruptive; it is based on the destruction of matter, and invites egocentric hoarding and spoliation — and, in general, privileges of one kind or another. This leads to a REVOLT AGAINST PRIVILEGES."

[piercethevale]

As to the post above...it came to my attention a few days ago that the Part of Trickery [Asc. + Mars - Moon] for Obama's natal chart is @ 07* Gemini 15' 50"
... Well now, doesn't that explain a lot.
The destiny of the Nation was/is to be a place of refuge from the privileged societies of the Old World... since it has been tied up with the European Banks when Woodrow Wilson got us into that deal... it hasn't been.
Is Obama for the common man? Does he support true economic equality?
Why did he put a Monsanto lackey in charge of the FDA?
Why
...or you all following along here?
[rumors that it is the Obama camp that is behind the "Occupy" movement ...why? All I saw from that is a reactionary response from a great many Americans that feared it was going to escalate into violence...just the excuse one needs to start seizing domestic weapons... Obama did effectively abolish all State Militias when he took office by placing them under control of the Pentagon.
In truth...there is only one amendment from the Bill of Rights that the Gov't hasn't terminated... The Second Amendment... When all the guns are seized... The Curtain will fall. ...imho... of course.

[piercethevale]

Well now that the election is over and things are starting to gel, I can see with a bit more than just the naked eye.
Uranus is about to conjunct the USA natal Part of Termination, then the Part of Repression [see my thread on the subj. for more...] and then hitting the Part of Transformation next April 15th.

Neptune has been back to the 1st degree of Pisces [Sabian Symbol keyword summation, Rudhyar: "COMMERCE".]...Pres. Obama's Part of Catastrophe and has begun it's "Final Return" from the 4th degree of Pisces [where it began its' Rx motion] which has the Sabian symbolism keynote summation, Rudhyar, "KEYNOTE: The mobility and intensity of interchange which make possible and characterize complex social processes", because the higher love principles that are a part of the Neptunian vibration met with this precept and couldn't get past it in evolving and had to go back to correct what was not complete with Pisces 1*...this is where the Beautiful Dream of Neptune comes itno play.

The North Node has just left a conj. with the USA Part of Delusion in the 28th degree of Scorpio and is about to conj. the USA natal, Part of Fortune in the 26th degree of Scorpio.

Pluto will also conj. the USA natal Part of Mans Marriage, which shares the 9th degree of Capricorn with the Part of Termination coming up just 13' and 31" later.
Then Pluto will be conj. the USA natal M.C. in the 12th degree of Capricorn through the Uranus conj. Part of Transformation event next April. Pluto, the Planet of Transformation, will have it's "Day" in the Sun.

...and what is the Sabian symbolism for the M.C. of the U.S.A., which is also the "HOW" of a chart in a spiritually evolutionary manner...? ...

... there will be a quiz coming up soon for all you Yanks on which you will be graded.
The rest of the class gets an "A" for; Attentive, or an "F" for; Faccia Tua, too bad that you missed it.


ps...what that Part of Termination could possibly be is one or a couple of States actually filing to secede from the Union. A Termination of an agreement?, a Termination of a Nation as we knew it? But then, that Part of Repression?
...hmmmmm?

[piercethevale]

Well, this is good news. Mountain Astrologer has expressed an interest in this chart and inquired about my writing an article for them.

It seems that my observations about this charts Part of Transformation and it's Part of Personal Liberty and the transits of Uranus the week of the Boston Mess caught their attention.
It's regrettable that such a tragedy is responsible for this, I only hope that bringing this chart to the countrys' attention can help prevent anything similar from happening, through awareness, in the future.

[piercethevale]

I finally completed all the listings for the Arabic/astrological Parts that have the Asc. as the personal point and the Planets and or the Luminaries as the trigger and or significator for the chart I wrote a book about, the subject of which is that I believe I have ascertained the natal chart of Yeshu'a/Jesus of Nazareth...[I should of had them completed a long time ago...mia culpa... but had neglected most of the Trans-Saturnian Parts. In my own defense, i did have more than enough to study about that chart these last 8 1/2 years, without getting into those...and since then I've come to the conclusion that the Trans-Saturnian Parts are certainly of affect ...and possibly more intense and profound effects.

Here's a 'gooder'..ya' all...

The Part of Revelation [Asc. + - ] of that Yeshu'a chart is @ 05* 43' 01"...and it is conj. the USA natal charts' Part of Guidance [aka Part of Inspiration aka Part of Occultism] 05* 00' 54' ...and also, in review, the USA natal N.Node is @ 06* 35' 08"...

Does anyone believe that non sense that the USA was never or is no longer a Christian Nation?

[piercethevale]

...also Yeshu'a's Part of Slander [Asc. + - ] @ 14* 43' 45" is conj. that same Part of the USA's by less than a degree of orb @ 13* 52' 10"
...and as I write this I'm struck by the fact that Mars is @ 14* 13' 34" ...almost the mid-point between the two...


Gee, now I wonder what that could mean...











not!

[piercethevale]

Yeshu'a's Part of Unusual Events [aka Part of Misinterpretation... Asc. + - ]
is @ 09* 30' 22" ...and gee, that's conj. the USA's Part of Transformation @ 09* 29' 25" and the USA Part of Personal Liberty @ 09* 37' 25...baby, yes sireee... right where Uranus was the day of the Boston bombing.

uh, huh...
uh, huh, uh huh...

[piercethevale]

...here's more...Yeshu'a's Part of Change [Asc. + - ] is @ 08* 56' 54' and that my friends is within a degree of orb conj. to the USA Part of Transformation...

Yeshu'a's Part of Guidance aka Part of Inspiration is @ 16* 56' 28"

...are ya' all feelin' it yet?

[piercethevale]

...anyone still sitting down?

try this, Yeshu'a's Part of Strategy [Asc. - ] is @ 12* 46' 37" , conj. the USA natal I.C. @ 11* 44' 18"

and His Part of Hidden or Subtle Change [Asc. + - ] is @ 07* 16' 19" ...and there's another conj. to the USA's natal N. Node