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07-20-2012, 02:47 AM
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T-square, yod and trapezium on 22 July 2012
Using the Planetary Aspects and Transits software I discovered that on 22 July 2012 there are three aspect patterns occurring simultaneously:
A T-square formed by Mars, Pluto and Uranus
A yod formed by Mercury, Pluto and Jupiter
A trapezium formed by Mars, Uranus, Jupiter and Mercury
What's even more interesting is that these aspect patterns form a super-aspect pattern, since the Mars-Uranus opposition of the T-square is the base of the trapezium, and the Mercury-Jupiter sextile of the yod are the other two components of the trapezium.
I attach an image made using the PAT software.
Does this super-aspect pattern mean something?
Is there are name for the aspect pattern which consists of a T-square plus a trapezium, where the opposition of the T-square is the base of the trapezium?
Is there a name for the aspect pattern which consists of a yod plus a trapezium, where the sextile of the yod is the line of the trapezium opposite the base?
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07-20-2012, 04:29 AM
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Re: T-square, yod and trapezium on 22 July 2012
Thanks for posting this, since i've been looking at all these aspects happening and wondering how they all connect without being able to see clearly the patterns that emerge.
Just looking at it i can see a somewhat lop-sided, irregular pentagram in the aspect pattern, this is the shape which appears putting together all the aspects you described. I'm sure it's significant, but don't know what it means, been trying to figure this out myself, since coming across some charts with regular and irregular pentagrams in them.
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07-20-2012, 04:41 AM
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Re: T-square, yod and trapezium on 22 July 2012
Right, a pentagram, but a strict pentagram aspect pattern should have quintile aspects between adjacent planets and bi-quintile aspects between planets separated by a planet. Unfortunately the PAT software doesn't detect quintiles or bi-quintiles so it can't say whether this is strictly a pentagram. And there's the question of what orbs to use for these aspects, since it is or it isn't depending on the values chosen for the orbs.
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07-20-2012, 05:03 AM
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Re: T-square, yod and trapezium on 22 July 2012
It is not a strict pentagram with quintiles/bi-quintiles, because it is irregular. The aspects between the planets are the aspects you described. Just the shape is there, this is what i meant..
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07-20-2012, 08:46 AM
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Re: T-square, yod and trapezium on 22 July 2012
The whole pattern is actually symmetrical (i missed that when first looking at it), and both the yod and the t-square are pointing at Pluto - my feeling the whole pattern is pointing at Pluto! = transformation.
The challenging, explosive t-square of Mars-Uranus-Pluto is mitigated by the trines and sextiles of Jupiter and Mercury to the Mars-Uranus opposition, these can only be helpful!
Just some ideas..
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07-20-2012, 12:32 PM
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Re: T-square, yod and trapezium on 22 July 2012
Here's a link to a site that may have some answers for you regarding different configurations
http://www.sf-astroformations.org.uk/
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07-20-2012, 04:31 PM
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Re: T-square, yod and trapezium on 22 July 2012
so reading StillOne's link this aspect pattern is called a Diamond - seems very fitting.. the point of the Diamond remains occupied by Pluto..
Another Diamond aspect pattern with Jupiter at the point will be happening the day of the winter solstice this year (in some places on Earth the next day) !!
http://grandtrines.wordpress.com/201...d-and-diamond/
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07-25-2012, 05:23 AM
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Next diamond on 30 July 2013 -- not quite
The PAT software can be used to search for diamond aspect patterns by first searching for a trapezium then seeing if a T-square is also present, plus the required yods. When we do this we find that July 30, 2013, exhibits about 27 aspects (excluding Moon aspects), and about 15 aspect patterns, including three trapezia and three T-squares (see attached image).
We almost have two diamonds, since the Mars-Uranus-Pluto T-square attaches nicely to the Mars-Pluto-Saturn-Venus trapezium, and the Jupiter-Uranus-Pluto T-square does the same to the Jupiter-Pluto-Saturn-Venus trapezium. And we have a Uranus-Venus yod. But we don't have a Uranus-Saturn yod. So for lack of a yod we just miss out on two diamonds.
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07-25-2012, 05:53 AM
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Next diamond on 21 June 2017 -- yes!
Exploring with the PAT program some more reveals that the next diamond (including the two obligatory yods) occurs around the time of the northern summer solstice in 2017. It's a Mars-Jupiter-Pluto T-square attached to a Mars-Pluto-Neptune-Venus trapezium.
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07-25-2012, 07:42 AM
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Re: Next diamond on 30 July 2013 -- not quite
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Originally Posted by planet9
The PAT software can be used to search for diamond aspect patterns by first searching for a trapezium then seeing if a T-square is also present, plus the required yods. When we do this we find that July 30, 2013, exhibits about 27 aspects (excluding Moon aspects), and about 15 aspect patterns, including three trapezia and three T-squares (see attached image).
We almost have two diamonds, since the Mars-Uranus-Pluto T-square attaches nicely to the Mars-Pluto-Saturn-Venus trapezium, and the Jupiter-Uranus-Pluto T-square does the same to the Jupiter-Pluto-Saturn-Venus trapezium. And we have a Uranus-Venus yod. But we don't have a Uranus-Saturn yod. So for lack of a yod we just miss out on two diamonds.
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Looks interesting..there is a grand trine in this pattern, between Saturn, Neptune and Jupiter, which makes 2 kites with the all the sextiles and inside this there is also a mystic rectangle! You could try adding Chiron and the major asteroids, if this is possible with your program, it may give you some more points, 2 more sextiles and there would be a Star of David..
I think you mean a Uranus-Venus quincunx, it would make a yod if there was another quincunx between Saturn and Uranus.
Is Mars conjunct Jupiter? What are the orbs used for the aspects?
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07-25-2012, 08:35 AM
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Aspect patterns on 30 July 2013
Yes, I was momentarily confusing yods and quincunxes. Thanks for the correction.
>What are the orbs used for the aspects?
The PAT default orbs are: conjunction 10°, opposition 9°, trine 8°, square 7°, sextile 5°, semisextile 2°, quincunx 4°.
With these orbs at noon GMT on 2013-07-30 PAT reports the presence of the following aspect patterns (aspect patterns involving the Moon have been omitted). The "av.' value is the average of the difference from exact of each of the aspects making up the pattern.
Grand trine: Ma-Sa-Ne (av. 4° 27')
Grand trine: Ju-Sa-Ne (av. 1° 59')
Kite: Ne-Ma-Sa-Ve (av. 4° 4')
Kite: Ma-Sa-Ne-Pl (av. 4° 4')
Kite: Ne-Ju-Sa-Ve (av. 2° 51')
Kite: Ju-Sa-Ne-Pl (av. 2° 52')
Rectangle: Ve-Ne-Pl-Ma (av. 3° 21')
Rectangle: Ve-Ne-Pl-Ju (av. 2° 47')
T-square: Me-Ur-Pl (av. 5° 33')
T-square: Ma-Ur-Pl (av. 1° 54')
T-square: Ju-Ur-Pl (av. 3° 12')
Yod: Ne-Su-Pl (av. 3° 17')
Trapezium: Ve-Ne-Pl-Sa (av. 3° 11')
Trapezium: Ma-Pl-Sa-Ve (av. 3° 5')
Trapezium: Ju-Pl-Sa-Ve (av. 2° 31')
The "av." value is useful for finding when an aspect pattern is most 'there'. This is done by moving back and forward by 30 minutes to find when the average is a minimum.
>You could try adding Chiron and the major asteroids
I have neither code nor algorithms for these, and the user interface for PAT is pretty much maxed out.
>Is Mars conjunct Jupiter?
Yes, a separating conjunction of 3° 42' at that time. I attach a screenshot of the tabular output of the program for noon GMT on 2013-07-30.
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07-25-2012, 08:42 AM
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Re: T-square, yod and trapezium on 22 July 2012
Thanks for the additional info!
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