Saturn Venus hard aspects - What's your experience?

[Carris]

What has been your personal experience of hard Saturn Venus aspects?

I have saturn (12th house gemini) opposite venus (0*46' orb). My experience has been these:

- Facing harshness and coldness.
- Lack of love, harmonious relationships and social life. Troubles and frustrations in relationships.
- Facing hurt, rejection, pain and humiliation. Loneliness and alienation.
- Difficulty earning a living. Troubles in financial situation.
- Depression and anxiety

What could be the karmic lesson in this aspect?

Jeanne Avery, in her book, "Astrology and your past lives" describes this aspect as those who "took themselves away" or abandoned family and friends to pursue their own interests or comitted suicide in past lives. The logic being that since they took away their love from others - now they have to face the lack of love.

However, this seems to be a very extreme punishment for learning the value of family and friends.

What has been your experience with this aspect?

[Anahath]

The lesson here and with every Saturn harsh aspect is that you have to find your true self,to realize that you are not your ego,that the life experiences don't have to define who you are.When you get to that point,you'll be free.

I speak from experience...I have Venus opposite Saturn,Mars opposite Saturn and Jupiter opposite Saturn^^

[bradderz777]

Don't let people walk all over you, but always keep a warm heart

[JayM]

Originally Posted by Anahath

The lesson here and with every Saturn harsh aspect is that you have to find your true self,to realize that you are not your ego,that the life experiences don't have to define who you are.When you get to that point,you'll be free.

I speak from experience...I have Venus opposite Saturn,Mars opposite Saturn and Jupiter opposite Saturn^^

Thank you anahath.

Would you say the same for saturn square ascendent and oppose moon? Saturn conjunt south node as well.

[*emma*]

saturn wants the real thing it aint that bad

[Blackempress]

Originally Posted by Carris

What has been your personal experience of hard Saturn Venus aspects?

I have saturn (12th house gemini) opposite venus (0*46' orb). My experience has been these:

- Facing harshness and coldness.
- Lack of love, harmonious relationships and social life. Troubles and frustrations in relationships.
- Facing hurt, rejection, pain and humiliation. Loneliness and alienation.
- Difficulty earning a living. Troubles in financial situation.
- Depression and anxiety

What could be the karmic lesson in this aspect?

Jeanne Avery, in her book, "Astrology and your past lives" describes this aspect as those who "took themselves away" or abandoned family and friends to pursue their own interests or comitted suicide in past lives. The logic being that since they took away their love from others - now they have to face the lack of love.

However, this seems to be a very extreme punishment for learning the value of family and friends.

What has been your experience with this aspect?

I recently had a client with a conjunct in the 8th. I have yet to get details on the life but it does heavily present as 'feeling unloved' & with other aspects being involved with Saturn would further create resistance to overcoming the sensitivity to 'come out of the shell'. Venus-Saturn is Controlled-love & importance of time. The base is 'restricted-love' leading to low self esteem. This is noticeable. People tend to think that somehow Love will wane & they tend to get underneath every little manipulation/trouble in a relationship (since none is perfect) & make it a self-fulfiling prophesy. Women with this contact fail to receive the love from their male-counterparts. Issue is of trust & letting go. Saturn keeps tight reins on sharing of real intimacy & the background is lack of father/appreciation from him. It also goes with 'restricted-beauty' so the person feels that they lack that & some will go overboard in compensation by becoming beauty-queens.

Other parts of the chart will indicate where those emotional issues stem from but the Venus-Saturn issues itself can be addressed from the Sign & House.

[astro11]

Venus-Saturn actually helps a person make more money than usual. I did a study of 35 billionaires and Venus-Saturn was the third most common aspect.

I have seen many people with Venus-Saturn aspects with partners they feel obligated towards. They feel they can not leave the relationship/ marriage for a variety of reasons and sacrifice their personal happiness for it.

Perhaps in a past life you were too much of a drain on someone else's resources and took advantage of them. In this life, you are the person feeling drained and you feel that other people expect too much of you with little gratitude. I would say the karmic lesson is accepting the situation with grace and fulfilling the obligations that are imposed on you in relationships. This doesn't mean that you don't have a right to be happy and you do need to establish boundaries. However, do recognize that the karma has been created and will not go away until you work on it.

Originally Posted by Carris

What has been your personal experience of hard Saturn Venus aspects?

I have saturn (12th house gemini) opposite venus (0*46' orb). My experience has been these:

- Facing harshness and coldness.
- Lack of love, harmonious relationships and social life. Troubles and frustrations in relationships.
- Facing hurt, rejection, pain and humiliation. Loneliness and alienation.
- Difficulty earning a living. Troubles in financial situation.
- Depression and anxiety

What could be the karmic lesson in this aspect?

Jeanne Avery, in her book, "Astrology and your past lives" describes this aspect as those who "took themselves away" or abandoned family and friends to pursue their own interests or comitted suicide in past lives. The logic being that since they took away their love from others - now they have to face the lack of love.

However, this seems to be a very extreme punishment for learning the value of family and friends.

What has been your experience with this aspect?

[Judy_AzVirgo]

I don't have this aspect, myself, but have seen a fair number of clients who have the opposition. None of them has had a problem making a good living, and I think they tend to put a lot of personal value on their ability to earn big bucks.

The social life tends to be very structured, favoring planned meetings (personal or organizational) over spontaneous get-togethers, for instance.

Finding love does seem to be an issue. What I see is that they are very judgmental about the men/women in their lives, and are looking for the Perfect Partner -- and of course they have trouble finding such an animal. They do seem to hold very high standards for themselves, their behavior, their looks, their success, etc., and I guess they want a partner who has the same values.

I'm not sure whether the love issue is that they feel "unloved" or that they are rather chilly, themselves, which could keep potential partners at arm's length. (Most of my Venus-Saturn clients come across that way, at least to me... as if they are evaluating me rather than trusting my judgment.) But not all of those I've met are that way. Maybe it depends on whether they identify more with Venus or with Saturn. As well as the overall disposition of the chart.

I would think that at least one lesson here is to loosen up, be less uptight, less judgmental and more accepting of self and others. Anyway, my two cents' worth.

[astrology02]

I have saturn in capricorn (12th house) in a tight square to my venus in libra(8th house). This aspect has to be the worst. I went to an astrologer and she said that in a past life I was in a relationship where the person adored me and then I just one day decided to leave town and left them broken hearted. She said that now in this life I have to deal with feelings of rejection, low self esteem and unrequited love.

I was in a relationship with someone who I felt was everything I wanted " my perfect soulmate" ...only to find out he didn't feel the same way.

I guess what frusturates me is that everyone says " you will find someone" but it seems everyone with the saturn venus square has bad luck when it comes to matters of the heart. I want to be loved so bad, but i feel i'm doomed for failure. I hate venus square saturn!! (Sorry if i sound bitter )

[Blackempress]

Originally Posted by Judy_AzVirgo

I would think that at least one lesson here is to loosen up, be less uptight, less judgmental and more accepting of self and others. Anyway, my two cents' worth.

I know 2 people with Venus-Conj-Saturn & yes they both can earn esp my Sis she has it in Scorpio in 5th (the other has it in 8th) & I've seen her to be ambitious since teens about 'her worth' regarding salaries. She refuses 'free-lance' & demands good pay for her hard-work unlike myself who knows/does alot more for nothing.

Both the women are sure in their ability to earn, can find partners but don't feel 'loved' enough. Ofcourse the other parts of the chart also matter. Sis has a Pisces Moon whilst the other lady had Pisces MC. So that could be a reflection too.

[Blackempress]

Originally Posted by astro11

I did a study of 35 billionaires and Venus-Saturn was the third most common aspect.

Just curious, what were the top 2 aspects?

[astro11]

The top 2 aspects in my billionaires study were Venus-Neptune and Mars-Mercury, 69% of the 35 billionaires had these aspects.

[Blackempress]

Originally Posted by astro11

The top 2 aspects in my billionaires study were Venus-Neptune and Mars-Mercury, 69% of the 35 billionaires had these aspects.

Venus-Neptune might be illegal gathering or artistic..... Interesting that Mars-Mercury should take the lead. I was hoping for Jupiter-pluto...ooh well, guess no cash luck for me.

Sorry back to Venus-Saturn.

[astro11]

Jupiter-Pluto is ninth on the list of most common aspects. You can see the full study at http://www.astronumerologywisdom.com...and-money.html

[bubuza_dulce]

Originally Posted by astro11

I have seen many people with Venus-Saturn aspects with partners they feel obligated towards. They feel they can not leave the relationship/ marriage for a variety of reasons and sacrifice their personal happiness for it.

Perhaps in a past life you were too much of a drain on someone else's resources and took advantage of them. In this life, you are the person feeling drained and you feel that other people expect too much of you with little gratitude. I would say the karmic lesson is accepting the situation with grace and fulfilling the obligations that are imposed on you in relationships. This doesn't mean that you don't have a right to be happy and you do need to establish boundaries. However, do recognize that the karma has been created and will not go away until you work on it.

I have Venus square Saturn and what you say sounds so true!

I've been in a relationship that "drained" me financially and emotionally. I didn't think it was from other lives but I had a strong feeling I had a debt towards this person! At some point I realised I couldn't sleep unless I knew this person had a good life so I did whatever I needed to do (receiving anything but gratitude) until I didn't feel the need to do anything.

Originally Posted by astro11

Venus-Saturn actually helps a person make more money than usual. I did a study of 35 billionaires and Venus-Saturn was the third most common aspect.

The top 2 aspects in my billionaires study were Venus-Neptune and Mars-Mercury, 69% of the 35 billionaires had these aspects.

Do you have any particular aspects in mind or any aspect would do?

I have Venus square Saturn, Venus opposition Neptune and Mars square Mercury.

I am at a point where I could make a lot of money but I shy away from it feeling "unworthy" ! In the past, when I had a lot of money I just gave it away.

From what you say I should understand that if I solve my problems regarding receiving - love and money - I could become a very rich person (emotionally too)?

[astro11]

For the billionaires study, any aspect between the two planets works, it is the tighter orb that matters most. You should see how many aspects out of 17 that you have, the more you have the easier it is to make money (the better your money karma). However, regardless of how many aspects you have it is still necessary to work hard to maximize results. I would say to anyone who has a lot of these aspects, start a business or look into investments. Some work on your part could make you very rich!