Conversion of astro-data to Major Arcana Symbols: Method 1

[dr. farr]

Refreshing this thread.

[retinoid]

my north node is the wheel of fortune reversed and midheaven is the star reversed and that is the period I just entered for 18yrs that sounds ******.

[dr. farr]

For dasa interpretations (Firdaria too) the relevant natal-connected MA symbol is read both ways (up and reversed) which shows both the + and potential - currents operative during the dasa cycle.

[retinoid]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

For dasa interpretations (Firdaria too) the relevant natal-connected MA symbol is read both ways (up and reversed) which shows both the + and potential - currents operative during the dasa cycle.

hermit-sun
hierophant (reversed)-moon
wheel of fortune (reversed)-rahu
the star (reversed)-midheaven
death (reversed)-mars<<<<just got out of this 8yr dasa and it was hell
the lovers (reversed)=jupiter
justice (reversed)=saturn
death=mercury
moon (reversed)=venus


I was bad in my past life. must have been hitler or something.

[dr. farr]

Lot of reversed! Are you sure that you are doing the calculations correctly?

[retinoid]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

Lot of reversed! Are you sure that you are doing the calculations correctly?

yeah the most positive card is the hermit

[dr. farr]

To obtain a more complete esoteric understanding of your natal, use Pauline dodekatemorion for each chart element, then convert to MA symbol from the PD position-this will show the esoteric ramifications vis-a-vis the MA, for each chart element.

[retinoid]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

To obtain a more complete esoteric understanding of your natal, use Pauline dodekatemorion for each chart element, then convert to MA symbol from the PD position-this will show the esoteric ramifications vis-a-vis the MA, for each chart element.

well whatever, my natal mars is represented by death reversed and that dasa was bad, but it is also badly/weakly placed in the chart (and navamsa-8th house). rahu is placed well in my natal (9th, conjunct mc) and is placed well in my navamsa (1st house). Can't believe my whole life will be symbolized by reversed tarot cards or then everything falls apart.

It would make sense more to have the tarot card reversed if the actual planet is in fall/detriment/placed in a bad house/weak degree than assigning positive and negative signs. Just my opinion.

EDIT: Actually all my planets are reversed. My sun-the hermit is reversed (10 degrees scorpio). My Mercury-death is reversed (5 degrees scorpio) just like Mars (it also is my asc. ruler).

My ascendant is the ONLY thing upright and that is represented by the TOWER.

My Part of fortune is Justice REVERSED.


Well I hope that this stuff is wrong or my whole chart is extremely negative. Everything reversed except for a tower card. In Sidereal most of the planets are upright. Maybe I will switch lol

[dr. farr]

In Method 2 of this astro-data to Tarot symbol conversion technique (which I have not yet elaborated here on AW), the upright vs reverse reading of the indicated symbol is based not upon sign polarity (as in Method 1) but rather upon the odd or even minutes in which the degree or node or planet is posited: eg, if the minutes of the degree in which, say Mars, is posited are even, then the Tarot symbol would be read as reversed, if instead the minutes of the degree are odd, then the Tarot symbol would be read as upright: this Method 2 uses all of the Tarot symbols, not just the Major Arcana (as in Method 1), but I see no reason why one could not use the odd/even minutes method for Method 1 as well. Perhaps working both ways, plus of course, checking out the dodek ramifications, then combining and contrasting the indications, might be a more complete, thorough approach to this type of analysis.

[retinoid]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

In Method 2 of this astro-data to Tarot symbol conversion technique (which I have not yet elaborated here on AW), the upright vs reverse reading of the indicated symbol is based not upon sign polarity (as in Method 1) but rather upon the odd or even minutes in which the degree or node or planet is posited: eg, if the minutes of the degree in which, say Mars, is posited are even, then the Tarot symbol would be read as reversed, if instead the minutes of the degree are odd, then the Tarot symbol would be read as upright: this Method 2 uses all of the Tarot symbols, not just the Major Arcana (as in Method 1), but I see no reason why one could not use the odd/even minutes method for Method 1 as well. Perhaps working both ways, plus of course, checking out the dodek ramifications, then combining and contrasting the indications, might be a more complete, thorough approach to this type of analysis.

What does it even mean when a card is reversed for a planet? Does it mean the energies are blocked, the planet is malefic,has bad effects, bad positioning in the life, bad karma? A Sun in the 10th house in Leo in the 20th degree is very good and strong but is symbolized by a reversed card. So what do you take out of this whole thing except that it is cool? Is that dominant, strong sun not good or what?

[dr. farr]

The Tarot indications are additional, NON_ASTROLOGICAL meanings/potentials for the individual (or situation, etc) and related to the signification of the planet (or Lot or degree point, etc) with which the Tarot symbol is connected. The Tarot symbolic connections are NOT specifically predictive, nor do they qualify in any way the ASTROLGICAL meanings/indications of the planet, etc, they are connected with: the Tarot symbols ADD (at an esoteric level) their OWN indications of meanings/potentials/"other factors possibly in play", to whatever the ASTROLOGICAL meanings/potentials connected with the given planet, indicate.

In your example, astrologically that Sun IS strong, dominant, benefic; but the connected Tarot symbol gives additional insight into POTENTIALS regarding the solar influence, which might be + or might be -; if those potentials are +, this could be interpreted as showing additional favorable (or otherwise hidden favorable) factors relative to the Sun force in the chart; those those potentials (indicated by the Tarot symbol) are -, this could be interpreted as a warning about what to avoid relative to the significations of the Sun, or as an illumination of pitfalls regarding the Sun force which one would not have been aware of, merely from the astrological indications in the chart regarding the Sun. The connected Tarot symbols do not MAKE a planet + or -: rather they show forth potentials, or possibilities, hidden strengths or hidden pitfalls, regarding that planetary force for that individual relative to that chart.

[retinoid]

So what would it mean esoterically if all my planets were represented by reversed tarot cards? A lot of pit falls or the potential blocked and maybe it has to be 'learned'?

[dr. farr]

Yes: it would mean warnings: eg, beware of xx, don't go this way relative to xx, regarding this planetary force, be careful of xx, and so on. Also it could be outlining lessons re to particular planetary (ie Cosmic) influences, which need to be learned-by being made aware of such-and then taking heed- having to "learn the lesson by hard experience" can be modified or even totally averted.

[retinoid]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

Yes: it would mean warnings: eg, beware of xx, don't go this way relative to xx, regarding this planetary force, be careful of xx, and so on. Also it could be outlining lessons re to particular planetary (ie Cosmic) influences, which need to be learned-by being made aware of such-and then taking heed- having to "learn the lesson by hard experience" can be modified or even totally averted.

so what would the reversed wheel of fortune and reversed star mean? not to be too optimistic?

[dr. farr]

No: rather, not to fall into the ways of being and thinking and acting, suggested by the reversed meanings connected with those MA symbols.

[retinoid]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

No: rather, not to fall into the ways of being and thinking and acting, suggested by the reversed meanings connected with those MA symbols.

so then warning not to be too pessimistic (the star reversed is pessimism) and feeling like there are obstacles/bad luck everywhere (wheel of fortune reversed). well I have a lot of negativity to get over but I already knew that

[dr. farr]

Yes that is correct; of course you knew those indications already, but for others without advanced self-knowledge, use of the Tarot MA astrological element connections, can be revealing for them...

[retinoid]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

Yes that is correct; of course you knew those indications already, but for others without advanced self-knowledge, use of the Tarot MA astrological element connections, can be revealing for them...

Okay thank you for your clarification dr farr as always.

[lilithofeden]

How do we know what these "cards" mean? I don't like what I see.

My sun is Death reversed,
Moon is Justice,
NN is The devil
Vertex is Death.

That's freaking scary. I swear I am not an evil person but this makes me feel like one.

A.C is the Star Reversed. What does this mean?

[Bina]

Dr. farr,
how can you be sure that the minutes of Asc/Mc degree in any chart are accurate? degrees ok, there is the sabian symbols and others and also rectification, but to be sure of the minutes one would have to be sure to the second about the time of birth.

[dr. farr]

Not really that exact, but pretty exact, yes: if one has decided upon a birth time then one goes with that (including the minutes, etc) Now-if the indications don't match very well, and there is doubt about the exact time, then one rectifies the time until a more correctly descriptive match occurs; actually, though I must admit that I have rarely found this to be necessary in actual practice (based on my experience in this field)

[dr. farr]

Originally Posted by lilithofeden

How do we know what these "cards" mean? I don't like what I see.

My sun is Death reversed,
Moon is Justice,
NN is The devil
Vertex is Death.

That's freaking scary. I swear I am not an evil person but this makes me feel like one.

A.C is the Star Reversed. What does this mean?

Go to a reliable book or other source of Tarot symbol meanings: a pretty good easily available internet source is paranormality.com

Death card is usually quite benefic-means changes (reversed less so, means tendency to stagnation, being "stuck) Devil card usually indicates materiality, looking at things black and white, or being chained to habits, etc; remember also that just like in a natal astrological reading, so too when using the Major Arcana symbols, blending/synthesis of indications is absolutely necessary, and also putting each symbol is its degree of relative influence in the chart, just like we do with the planets, etc, upon which se select the indicated Major Arcana symbol from the chart.

[lilithofeden]

Oh ok thank you Dr. Farr!

Originally Posted by dr. farr

Go to a reliable book or other source of Tarot symbol meanings: a pretty good easily available internet source is paranormality.com

Death card is usually quite benefic-means changes (reversed less so, means tendency to stagnation, being "stuck) Devil card usually indicates materiality, looking at things black and white, or being chained to habits, etc; remember also that just like in a natal astrological reading, so too when using the Major Arcana symbols, blending/synthesis of indications is absolutely necessary, and also putting each symbol is its degree of relative influence in the chart, just like we do with the planets, etc, upon which se select the indicated Major Arcana symbol from the chart.

[Bina]

I did the calculations for all my planets and points and the result is rather interesting! 3 of the cards came up more than once:

I got 3 times 'The Hermit', for my Sun (reversed) and for Neptune + Saturn (both upright). Neptune is very strong in my chart (ruler of Asc), Saturn apparently strong in my vedic chart. So this card is very significant for me (and so fitting - i'm such a hermit! been thinking recently how i seem to become more and more so... and also wondering why..)

Asc and Mercury both come up with 'The Star' (reversed), something to think about..

'The World' came up twice too, for Venus (upright) and for Jupiter (reversed). Also a strong influence, since Venus rules both my Sun and Moon signs. Venus and Jupiter are squaring each other in my birthchart too.

Doing a lifetime tarot card spread (based on numerology of name and birthday) on http://www.tarot-card.net 'The Hermit' and 'The World' came up as two of the main cards as well!!

[Fifth House Sun]

reversed devil does not mean less so it means more so per paranormality.com

personally, i never saw the Devil(upright) as absolutely negative, but fleshly desires with the potential with over doing them, on the other hand Devil(reversed) is absolute negative including on paranormality.com

This is really cool though. Tarot with Astros that is.