Dr.Farr and other please ...

[LadyBella]

Ok..................................

[dr. farr]

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

-her (the lady's) house of truth = 9th from the 7th = Gemini
-Gemini posits the South Node (and also Jupiter in detriment) = - testimony regarding the truth of the matter
-HER Lot of Truth (7th house cusp+moon-mercury) falls @ 3 Cancer
a) the Sun-arbiter of Truth- flows away from the Lot of Truth = - testimony
b) her house of truth significator, Mercury, flows away from the Lot of Truth = - testimony
c) her Lot of Truth falls in a dark degree of Cancer = - testimony

...all testimonies are negative
Answer: no, this information from the lady is NOT TRUE

[LadyBella]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

-her (the lady's) house of truth = 9th from the 7th = Gemini
-Gemini posits the South Node (and also Jupiter in detriment) = - testimony regarding the truth of the matter
-HER Lot of Truth (7th house cusp+moon-mercury) falls @ 3 Cancer
a) the Sun-arbiter of Truth- flows away from the Lot of Truth = - testimony
b) her house of truth significator, Mercury, flows away from the Lot of Truth = - testimony
c) her Lot of Truth falls in a dark degree of Cancer = - testimony

...all testimonies are negative
Answer: no, this information from the lady is NOT TRUE

Ok... but the chart shows then her intention of saying that ? is she a good lady for real ? why she lied then ? I looked her ruler and she is elevated in gemini, that's confusing me

[dr. farr]

Whether or not she lied on purpose, or was simply mistaken, is a secondary matter-the important thing is whether or not what she had to say is valid; however, with the SN in her house of truth (9th from 7th), and with her significator Venus also polluted by sign-affinity to the SN, I do somewhat question her sincerity/honesty and intent in making such a statement regarding "curses"...

[LadyBella]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

Whether or not she lied on purpose, or was simply mistaken, is a secondary matter-the important thing is whether or not what she had to say is valid; however, with the SN in her house of truth (9th from 7th), and with her significator Venus also polluted by sign-affinity to the SN, I do somewhat question her sincerity/honesty and intent in making such a statement regarding "curses"...

thank you soooo much ! I'll later (someday) make another question regarding her intentions...
I just have one more question, the moon is on my ascendant and the next aspect is the opposition to saturn (ruler of my 11th and 10th)... could that be my decision to give up of this group she is comanding ?

[dr. farr]

I would think, instead, that your co-significator Moon seperating from partile square to the Sun would be more of an indication of that, since HER group (group she is commanding) would the the 11th house from the 7th (11th from her) which = Leo which has the Sun as significator.

[LadyBella]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

I would think, instead, that your co-significator Moon seperating from partile square to the Sun would be more of an indication of that, since HER group (group she is commanding) would the the 11th house from the 7th (11th from her) which = Leo which has the Sun as significator.

Thank you very much Dr.Farr, a pleasure to be helped is a bless !

[LadyBella]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

Whether or not she lied on purpose, or was simply mistaken, is a secondary matter-the important thing is whether or not what she had to say is valid; however, with the SN in her house of truth (9th from 7th), and with her significator Venus also polluted by sign-affinity to the SN, I do somewhat question her sincerity/honesty and intent in making such a statement regarding "curses"...

I have many type of questions about this lady but I'll continue with this case, the question now is : Did she lie on purpose if so what is the purpose on that OR was it just a mistaken ?

this is awkward Dr.Farr, because she says things with a certain attitude and belief to make you believe on her, you know...anyways...

Regarding the chart:

OMG, incredible, the same chart of the first question but why with 0 degrees on the ascendant making a "to early to ask" if I am not asking for a future event ??? if that early degree means I cannot judge by now ?

What I noticed, she is venus in gemini but now in a pitty degree but is conjunct to part of fortune.
The mercury in her 11th house of group in leo in a pitty degree. The mercury rules her 12th house and her 9th house, a good and bad house at the same time...weird !
the moon is in elevated degree making a quincux to me (mars) in a elevated degree as well, I am rebuilding my faith over again because her words really impacted me! I feel ok by now but not that strong !

[dr. farr]

With the 0 ascendant, and since this question follows on from a previous horary answer, I suggest that the 0 ascendant in the new chart, indicating it could not be reliably delineated, supports my leaning in the previous chart, ie, that the lady had a negative intent in telling you this, probably to gain power over you (along these lines:
1) you are cursed
2) this lady is the only one who knows you are cursed
3) therefore, to escape this curse that only this lady has discovered, you must come to this lady and obey her so she can remove this curse
...that's probably the logic involved in her thinking and behind her "revelation" to you)

[LadyBella]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

With the 0 ascendant, and since this question follows on from a previous horary answer, I suggest that the 0 ascendant in the new chart, indicating it could not be reliably delineated, supports my leaning in the previous chart, ie, that the lady had a negative intent in telling you this, probably to gain power over you (along these lines:
1) you are cursed
2) this lady is the only one who knows you are cursed
3) therefore, to escape this curse that only this lady has discovered, you must come to this lady and obey her so she can remove this curse
...that's probably the logic involved in her thinking and behind her "revelation" to you)

You are so right, because before that week I noticed some her words and she noticed I didn't believe on her so she used this day to make me keep on the group because I must treat this in name of God .
Today, I woke up without energy and now I am recovering this. Yes, she is trying to gain power over me and with another lady too so she started saying good things to that another lady so she could not give up the group. She prays in the name of God (Jesus) all the time and this makes everyone to belive on her good intentions.


I see things and I try to figure out:
1- her husband is a "christian"as well
2- she brings her daughter to the group to pray
3- She uses the name Jesus all the time just like those christians
4- I doubt and feel bad on judging this lady as all the above statements "seems" to be a good thing, as my sixth sense tells me to do not trust on her at all.

Now, what does she really want with all this ??? that's my point of the question because I did start to distrust on her weeks ago and I noticed this game of her.

[dr. farr]

POWER is the object here (seems to be the goal) Don't buy into it, and please note that this type of abuse of energies has NOTHING to do with what Christianity is all about, or with what Master Jesus is all about either!!

[dr. farr]

Yes that's what I would suggest...regarding any serious dealings with that lady.

[LadyBella]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

Yes that's what I would suggest...regarding any serious dealings with that lady.

Many thanks !!!

[LadyBella]

I know there's something behind from this but I don't know what exactly she wants.

question: What exactly this lady want with this group of pray she comands ?

You mentioned "power" is her deal but what type of power, I know there's a point of all this.

She still the venus with the south node like the previous, I added some asteroids and fixed stars.
I looked at her 11th house of her wishes, jupiter is in her 2nd house of income, is the point to gain some money in the future ??? I don't think ppl there will be that stupid, this is so weird, she goes to the church and all that but I know she keeps standing the private group in a friend house for some purpose for sure, you know when you feel that something wrong exists. I feel bad sometimes, I already thought she is a bad person (really bad, you know).

[dr. farr]

In my opinion:
-she = the absent other person subject of the inquiry = 7th house
So her significator in whole sign is the 7th house. Taurus and Venus
-disruptive and often sinister Lilith is in her signifying house; the Moon is there also, in its exaltation: so a strong Moon (exalted, angular) CONJUNCT Lilith = potent (though dark sided) occult influences are operative within the field of this person
-her significator, Venus (sign-conjunct the disruptive SN) is in her 2nd house (money, material gains, etc)-this might show one of this person's motivations (ie, $, gifts, material gains)
-the group of people she is involved with (as a group/association) = 11th whole sign house from the 7th = Pisces
-Pisces is affinitive to mystical endeavors, and Neptune (occult powers, occult endeavors) posits that 11th house-her influence is likely via these occult powers, and the intent for the group is her control via occult powers/influences
-notice that the significator of the 11th from 7th house, is Jupiter: Jupiter (representing the group) is detrimented in Gemini, it is conjunct within 2 degrees of the Dragon's Tail (SN), and it is in HER 2nd house (2nd from 7th) connected with $, material gains, gifts, etc (so materialistic gain is apparently a goal/object for this person vis a vis her power/influence with this group of people)

[LadyBella]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

In my opinion:
-she = the absent other person subject of the inquiry = 7th house
So her significator in whole sign is the 7th house. Taurus and Venus
-disruptive and often sinister Lilith is in her signifying house; the Moon is there also, in its exaltation: so a strong Moon (exalted, angular) CONJUNCT Lilith = potent (though dark sided) occult influences are operative within the field of this person
-her significator, Venus (sign-conjunct the disruptive SN) is in her 2nd house (money, material gains, etc)-this might show one of this person's motivations (ie, $, gifts, material gains)
-the group of people she is involved with (as a group/association) = 11th whole sign house from the 7th = Pisces
-Pisces is affinitive to mystical endeavors, and Neptune (occult powers, occult endeavors) posits that 11th house-her influence is likely via these occult powers, and the intent for the group is her control via occult powers/influences
-notice that the significator of the 11th from 7th house, is Jupiter: Jupiter (representing the group) is detrimented in Gemini, it is conjunct within 2 degrees of the Dragon's Tail (SN), and it is in HER 2nd house (2nd from 7th) connected with $, material gains, gifts, etc (so materialistic gain is apparently a goal/object for this person vis a vis her power/influence with this group of people)

Yeah, I always suspected her. BUT as she uses the bible just like those christians and a pastor has been there then I thought "well, maybe her only interest is to bring the group into the church to some purpose for the future", she never asked us for money YET.
Weird thing, she sees things that you never said.
Are those power she uses are the bad ones and she pretends by using the name of God to mask the group ? so crazy ...

[dr. farr]

If she REFUSES $ or other gifts, then that part of my delineation would be incorrect; but hidden power over others is clearly this person's chief object: maybe she is unaware of this (consciously), but the indications seem pretty clear that this is what is actually involved here.

[LadyBella]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

If she REFUSES $ or other gifts, then that part of my delineation would be incorrect; but hidden power over others is clearly this person's chief object: maybe she is unaware of this (consciously), but the indications seem pretty clear that this is what is actually involved here.

I'll know the truth ! And I'll update here, I won't keep going but I know I will know about her someway. Thank you so much once again !!!

[LadyBella]

Not trying to be annoying but this is the last chart about this theme.

question: who she really is ?

Using the wholesign, she is sun in her 12th house making a square to me. Being in a 12th house already shows she is not who she really "appears" but like a mask and hide from ppl her real personality. I don't know if my interpretation is correct, what I know is that 12th house is where the secret is, hidden stuff,etc, and being a negative house I suppose that.
Now, her spirituality, is ruled by mars, I don't know what aries here means with mars oppositing the pof... doubt about her spirituality

[dr. farr]

For me, she = 7th house = Leo = the Sun; now, the Sun is in Cancer, which means it is disposited by the Moon: so the Moon is "behind" (at the control root) of her significator-and the Moon is conjunct the Dragon's Tail (SN): that tells me "who she really is"!

[LadyBella]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

For me, she = 7th house = Leo = the Sun; now, the Sun is in Cancer, which means it is disposited by the Moon: so the Moon is "behind" (at the control root) of her significator-and the Moon is conjunct the Dragon's Tail (SN): that tells me "who she really is"!

the devil was funny, I mean my life is a joke, so many terrible ppl appears in my life anyways let's laugh and keep going with head up .


thank you SO MUCH !!