Do we still have unfinished business? (relationship q)

[appleberry]

I read some horary but love the opinions and interpretations of others for my own questions because I can be biased and only see what I want to see

[appleberry]

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[appleberry]

poll added at top... just cuz i've never done one before...

[appleberry]

I guess this was a hard question...

[dr. farr]

Exactly what is it you want to know? What do you mean by "unfinished business"??

[Erickaf]

I am not sure what you are asking perhaps why you got no replies.

[misskitty]

This orbs on this chart are completely wrong. It's showing an applying trine between Mars and Venus, but they will never trine since Venus is about to go direct and they are clearly in square.

[dr. farr]

I think this is the result of the +130% orb factor being used in the chart!
I use a maximum 60% orb factor, and others (like our former member Astrologer50) recommend a maximum 80% orb factor.

[appleberry]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

Exactly what is it you want to know? What do you mean by "unfinished business"??

Well, I supposed what I mean is whether there is anything more to deal with whether positive or negative, in the sense of a relationship, not in the sense of a friendship.

For me, with this person, it must be all or nothing. I am not interested in maintaining a friendship and I avoid him, although I would still consider a relationship with him, if that's what he wanted. He however, will not allow me to leave his life completely, and I am trying to understand why. Our relationship ended due to long distance, so obviously there is still something that didn't end naturally (IMO)... there has never been a natural parting of ways, always forced. Right now, I have been able to cut him off completely, but I get the feeling that there will be another coming together of some sort and I just can't figure out what it is going to be... will I change my mind and be able to have a normal friendship with him, or will he change his mind and be able to do something long distance? I suppose I didn't phrase all of this in my head for myself while writing the question and doing the chart though. I supposed what was going through my head was: will things remain as is, with my shutting him out and not allowing what would feel like a false friendship for me, or is he going to try again, or are we just going to even talk about the whole business of this "all or nothing" scenario again?

Hope that makes more sense...lol...

[appleberry]

Originally Posted by misskitty

This orbs on this chart are completely wrong. It's showing an applying trine between Mars and Venus, but they will never trine since Venus is about to go direct and they are clearly in square.

well, yes, I did notice the refranation... I did put on the chart the date (June 25) so I could refer back to it again. I guess it was 2 days before Venus went direct, so it is ultimately stationary. I would love it if you added more insight to how you might interpret Venus in this chart

[appleberry]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

I think this is the result of the +130% orb factor being used in the chart!
I use a maximum 60% orb factor, and others (like our former member Astrologer50) recommend a maximum 80% orb factor.

This confuses me because I have always done larger orbs, having read a long time ago now, that larger orbs were better for horary. On another hand, I agree with what you are saying. Are there any reasons or references for using smaller (or larger) orbs? I haven't got a clue where I learned to use larger orbs because it was so long ago.

Thank you for your help!

[misskitty]

Long orbs are useless in horary. I would have to see a chart in the proper format. i.e. corrected orbs, Regiomontanus house system, etc.

Originally Posted by appleberry

This confuses me because I have always done larger orbs, having read a long time ago now, that larger orbs were better for horary. On another hand, I agree with what you are saying. Are there any reasons or references for using smaller (or larger) orbs? I haven't got a clue where I learned to use larger orbs because it was so long ago.

Thank you for your help!

[dr. farr]

The choice of orbs is a personal one, however the typical orbs of Lilly, Bonatti and others, is about equivalent to the orbs (the default orbs) basically used on astro.com: 130% orb factor is 30% WIDER (larger) than those older-time orbs!
The entire trend of Western astrology over the past century, has been toward tighter orbs-with wider orbs, frankly, there are just too many vague aspectual potentialities to choose among, which to lesser minds (like mine!) tends to confuse the testimonies.

Thanks for clarifying your intent re to the horary question: will delineate it (using my alternative horary method) next.

[dr. farr]

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

-querent = 1st house = Scorpio = Mars
-anything remaining with the relationship = 7th house = Taurus = Venus
-Venus is posited in the 8th house and is sign-conjunct with the SN; 8th house can mean finality, and SN always indicates chaotic and or/disruptive influences, so net testimony here = no (to the question)
-Venus retrogrades away from Mars = no (to the question)
-Moon (querent's co-significator) flows away from Venus (which in turn retrogrades away from the Moon) = no

In my delineation, no there is not unfinished business remaining regarding this relationship (as querent has explained the meaning and intent of this question)

[lilithofeden]

Don't forget the south node that is in the seventh house!

Originally Posted by dr. farr

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

-querent = 1st house = Scorpio = Mars
-anything remaining with the relationship = 7th house = Taurus = Venus
-Venus is posited in the 8th house and is sign-conjunct with the SN; 8th house can mean finality, and SN always indicates chaotic and or/disruptive influences, so net testimony here = no (to the question)
-Venus retrogrades away from Mars = no (to the question)
-Moon (querent's co-significator) flows away from Venus (which in turn retrogrades away from the Moon) = no

In my delineation, no there is not unfinished business remaining regarding this relationship (as querent has explained the meaning and intent of this question)

[appleberry]

Thank you Dr Farr. I will have a look at your version.
Thank you for your explanations as well.

I wonder... I've seen you do Magic 8 ball method before and, since I don't know how to do this, I wonder what answer you get with Magic 8 ball?

[appleberry]

Here is the adjusted chart with Regiomontanus and 80* orbs:

[SagiCap]

Originally Posted by appleberry

I read some horary but love the opinions and interpretations of others for my own questions because I can be biased and only see what I want to see

Come on, everybody. Hopefully we don't let her off that easy! What do you mean you read but are biased? We are all biased. We're not robots. You really have to try to invest some effort in your own chart, always. You can do it. Give it a try.

[dr. farr]

Originally Posted by appleberry

Thank you Dr Farr. I will have a look at your version.
Thank you for your explanations as well.

I wonder... I've seen you do Magic 8 ball method before and, since I don't know how to do this, I wonder what answer you get with Magic 8 ball?

Well, in the Magic 8 Ball divination we choose the primary quesited house and the ruler of the sign on that house, to get our answer; since the primary quesited house here is the 7th (relationship house), Taurus is the sign on that house which = Venus which = a "yes" answer to the question: the opposite of my delineation using Primary Ankara horary; if we take BOTH answers into account (one yes, the other no) then we would say "maybe"-which is not much of an answer!!

[appleberry]

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[appleberry]

Originally Posted by SagiCap

Come on, everybody. Hopefully we don't let her off that easy! What do you mean you read but are biased? We are all biased. We're not robots. You really have to try to invest some effort in your own chart, always. You can do it. Give it a try.

I do invest time in my own charts, but I also value the opinion of others. I certainly haven't been reading horary longer than some of the people who post on here so I have a lot to learn from them. So glad that some value their place as teachers in this world and offer knowledge to those who are thirsty to learn

[SagiCap]

Originally Posted by appleberry

I do invest time in my own charts, but I also value the opinion of others. I certainly haven't been reading horary longer than some of the people who post on here so I have a lot to learn from them. So glad that some value their place as teachers in this world and offer knowledge to those who are thirsty to learn

The point was that if you try to show some effort here on the board, others are more apt to help you. It's nice to be appreciative as you've now expressed, but you will also come to be more self-sufficient, which benefits you in the long run. As I said, the point was more to show your own trial at the chart.

[appleberry]

Well one thing I noticed that I don't think anyone else did is that Mercury, which is the dispositor of Mars, Venus, Jupiter and the Moon, is translating light from Mars to Jupiter (and to Venus in chart 1) via sextiles.

Mercury is the natural ruler of communication and it is in the 9th house (only noting that because we are in 2 different countries). I also consider both the north node and part of fortune to be beneficial in the houses they reside in all charts, and nn is in the first house, which is a positive sign I think. The pof is in the house of communication. These are the things that point to me that there is some kind of unfinished business concerning communication, or that communication will bring on the unfinished business.

But, it seems that everyone disagrees with me, so perhaps I am biased and not seeing other things.

I know that someone pointed out the SN, but that happens to be posited directly between the mutually applying significators of the quesited, so I would guess that has more to tell about his situation. I'm biased because I know that he is reliving a negative experience at the moment, and I assume it has something to do with that.

I can't help but notice that the nodes are partile with both the modern and traditional rulers of the 5th house. I'm not sure our unfinished business would be of a romantic nature, but we have been there before, so it's possible. We are both creative people as well and have worked together on a creative level, so perhaps that is the reason for 5s highlight. I assumed it would be something career related but I suppose that is why both the moon and mars are in the 10th.

The cross is fixed, but I haven't come to think what that might mean, other than the unwavering ending. If I were to guess, before the chart was erected, I would have guessed mutable or mixed mutable cardinal just because that's how things always were in the past. From Venus to Sun, makes me think again, that he would come at me with something of a romantic tone, but I am not sure about the end. I'm guessing drama, because that is what I am terrified of, and the only reason we don't speak now. I cannot stand the drama that always arrives with his antics. Again, I have no problem speaking with him, nor did I ever have any problems with him on a romantic level or career level, but distance separated us and friendship as well as working together seems impossible as a result. But Venus could also signify creativity, where the Sun would probably signify the end resulting in a creative project. But that is just less scary for me to imagine.

I'm biased as well when I look at Uranus in the 5th connecting the Sun (his coruler) and Pluto rx (AC modern ruler) with it, as well as the 2nd and 8th houses. Although 2/8 can mean money, it can also signify talents. 2 would be mine and radical 8th his. This jumps out at me as a sudden event possibly uniting our talents again.

But am I getting too far out there? Am I seeing what I see because I know so much about our past? Am I choosing to see what I want to see or expect to see? This is why I think I need help with my own charts and other opinions. I do try with my own charts, but I sometimes think I need some grounding. Not to mention that, with horary, there is always more to learn it seems.

[dr. farr]

There could be communications, yes, quite possible: his communications significator (Moon, 3rd from the 7th whole sign house) flows toward conjunction with your significator (Mars), and the Moon also flows toward your communications house significator, Saturn (3rd house from the 1st); taking these communications indications into consideration, along with the split answers (8 Ball yes, Ankara horary no) to the primary question (so = a net maybe answer), it is possible that communications (most likely regarding unfinished business, at least in part) might happen in the not too distant future.

[SagiCap]

Originally Posted by appleberry

Well one thing I noticed that I don't think anyone else did is that Mercury, which is the dispositor of Mars, Venus, Jupiter and the Moon, is translating light from Mars to Jupiter (and to Venus in chart 1) via sextiles.

Mercury is the natural ruler of communication and it is in the 9th house (only noting that because we are in 2 different countries). I also consider both the north node and part of fortune to be beneficial in the houses they reside in all charts, and nn is in the first house, which is a positive sign I think. The pof is in the house of communication. These are the things that point to me that there is some kind of unfinished business concerning communication, or that communication will bring on the unfinished business.

But, it seems that everyone disagrees with me, so perhaps I am biased and not seeing other things.

I know that someone pointed out the SN, but that happens to be posited directly between the mutually applying significators of the quesited, so I would guess that has more to tell about his situation. I'm biased because I know that he is reliving a negative experience at the moment, and I assume it has something to do with that.

I can't help but notice that the nodes are partile with both the modern and traditional rulers of the 5th house. I'm not sure our unfinished business would be of a romantic nature, but we have been there before, so it's possible. We are both creative people as well and have worked together on a creative level, so perhaps that is the reason for 5s highlight. I assumed it would be something career related but I suppose that is why both the moon and mars are in the 10th.

The cross is fixed, but I haven't come to think what that might mean, other than the unwavering ending. If I were to guess, before the chart was erected, I would have guessed mutable or mixed mutable cardinal just because that's how things always were in the past. From Venus to Sun, makes me think again, that he would come at me with something of a romantic tone, but I am not sure about the end. I'm guessing drama, because that is what I am terrified of, and the only reason we don't speak now. I cannot stand the drama that always arrives with his antics. Again, I have no problem speaking with him, nor did I ever have any problems with him on a romantic level or career level, but distance separated us and friendship as well as working together seems impossible as a result. But Venus could also signify creativity, where the Sun would probably signify the end resulting in a creative project. But that is just less scary for me to imagine.

I'm biased as well when I look at Uranus in the 5th connecting the Sun (his coruler) and Pluto rx (AC modern ruler) with it, as well as the 2nd and 8th houses. Although 2/8 can mean money, it can also signify talents. 2 would be mine and radical 8th his. This jumps out at me as a sudden event possibly uniting our talents again.

But am I getting too far out there? Am I seeing what I see because I know so much about our past? Am I choosing to see what I want to see or expect to see? This is why I think I need help with my own charts and other opinions. I do try with my own charts, but I sometimes think I need some grounding. Not to mention that, with horary, there is always more to learn it seems.

Bravoooo!!!