who is going to win Euro 2012

[FreeWing]

Originally Posted by Vania

Portugal is the white team.They are the "home" team, but they choose play with white. So, Spain is the red.

Oh well... If so, then I think Spain may take it.
Gosh, I hope I'm wrong now !!!!

[fensi88]

Originally Posted by Vania

Portugal is the white team.They are the "home" team, but they choose play with white. So, Spain is the red.

Where did you read that? Please post link.

[Vania]

In a portuguese web site and the spanish already confirmed.

http://desporto.publico.pt/Euro2012/...branco-1552024

[fensi88]

Thanks so much.

[FreeWing]

Here's the past chart for the Denmark vs Portugal game:



Denmark played in red and Portugal in white. So they were the ASC and Portugal was the DSC. From all the charts I've seen from this tournament, this is the only one that I don't understand. Everything seemed to point to a victory for the Denmark side. POF was conjunct their ruler, both in their 10th house, the North Node in their 1st, the Moon in their 5th, the malefic fixed star was tightly conjunct DSC, Portugal's ruler, Venus, was retro, their 10th house ruler, Jupiter, was in detriment, still under the influence of Algol...

All this to say that even with a supposely bad-looking chart, Portugal still won this game... So there's still some hope for today's game for all portuguese fans out there just like me. But may the best win, of course...

[Vania]

I have the charts of Paulo Bento (portuguese coach) and Cristiano Ronaldo.


Chart of the sky in the moment of the game in Donetsk:




Ronaldo's Chart in the moment of the game:



Paulo Bento's Natal Chart:



Paulo Bento's Solar Return chart for 2012:



I found this in a portuguese web site but I dont know how to read it. What can you say about this charts?

[fensi88]

Originally Posted by FreeWing

Here's the past chart for the Denmark vs Portugal game:


Denmark played in red and Portugal in white. So they were the ASC and Portugal was the DSC. From all the charts I've seen from this tournament, this is the only one that I don't understand. Everything seemed to point to a victory for the Denmark side. POF was conjunct their ruler, both in their 10th house, the North Node in their 1st, the Moon in their 5th, the malefic fixed star was tightly conjunct DSC, Portugal's ruler, Venus, was retro, their 10th house ruler, Jupiter, was in detriment, still under the influence of Algol...

All this to say that even with a supposely bad-looking chart, Portugal still won this game... So there's still some hope for today's game for all portuguese fans out there just like me. But may the best win, of course...

Portugal won in that match because of last Moon's aspect within 5 degrees and that was Moon square AVe, lord 7.

[FreeWing]

Thanks Vania, I just had a quick look at those charts and the ASC of the game conjunct CR's Natal Jupiter sure does look promising, aswell as Paulo Bento's Sun-Moon-POF conjunction in his SR's ASC for success... Of course that doesn't mean that he will be the champion, as getting to the semis is already a great accomplishment...

Oh yes Goca, that is right! Thanks for pointing that.

I just noticed that the Moon is at 15' Libra in this chart, just entered Via Combusta... So maybe making predictions is risky, as this is likely going to be an unpredictable game.

[DreamingTheSeas]

I want Portugal to win, i' m bored of Spain wins, the last 4 years they got all, Euro-Mundial. But FreeWing does not make wrong, hope she will today. Please Freewing go wrong for a day

[FreeWing]

Originally Posted by DreamingTheSeas

I want Portugal to win, i' m bored of Spain wins, the last 4 years they got all, Euro-Mundial. But FreeWing does not make wrong, hope she will today. Please Freewing go wrong for a day

Lol, yes, I hope I am wrong this time too !! However, I hadn't noticed that the Moon is already in Via Combusta and it is advised to not try to make predicitions under that circumstance... I also never seen a game or analyzed a sports chart with the Moon in Via Combusta, so will see how this goes... Theorically, I'd say that Portugal's actions may be totally unpredictable as they are the Moon, but who knows... Hopefully in about 2 hours from now we'll have good news!

[acuariano0377]

Hi People!

Vicente del Bosque has a Capri Sun square Saturn natal. That's a very bad position but is very Saturnino. Saturn is dispositor the the Sun natal and is exalted. And when Saturn made ​​his entry to Libra into active that square and won the World Cup.
While Saturn is in his exaltation, the Era Del Bosque in Spain will continue getting hits.
He started the Euro a SR with Sun trine Jupiter partile and Iker Casillas, team´s Captain, started a SR with Sun conjuction with Jupiter.
The Chart from the Era Del Bosque ahead of Spain is very successful and the SR of the Chart to Kiev is really impressive.

When Saturn enters Scorpio, the Age Del BosQue stop harvesting successes.

For me, Spain won the Euro 2012.

Regards!

[FreeWing]

Oh my God, I can't believe this game. No goals at all and penalty shout-out now!

[FreeWing]

Sadly... The luck was really with Spain this time. Good play from both teams... Very similar type of play, as we expected... Good luck to them in the finals. Hopefully they'll meet Italy then.

[lilithofeden]

Originally Posted by FreeWing

Sadly... The luck was really with Spain this time. Good play from both teams... Very similar type of play, as we expected... Good luck to them in the finals. Hopefully they'll meet Italy then.

I hope Germany wins against Italy, but some astro sites predict otherwise..

[FreeWing]

Originally Posted by lilithofeden

I hope Germany wins against Italy, but some astro sites predict otherwise..

Well, good luck to them both... I personally prefer Italy to go through but if Germany goes through and deserves it, congrats to them! I haven't seen the chart yet for the game tommorrow, I'm curious to see it!

[FreeWing]

Germany vs Italy



As mentioned earlier, the Moon is pretty much in Via Combusta here, so it's quite risky to make a prediction based on this chart. Either way, let's try it...

I'd attribute Capricorn to the darker coloured team and Cancer to the lighter one. So for me, Italy in deep/indigo blue is the ASC and Germany in white is the DSC.

Italy is represented by Saturn and Germany by the Moon. They are both in Libra. We just witnessed a game with these characteristics earlier today and the Saturn side won... However, things are looking way different here.

Yes, Saturn is exalted and conjunct the great indicator of luck and protection that is the fixed star Spica... However, the only aspect they make is a past conjunction with the Moon, which tells me that the Moon will be the one with a greater influence in how the game develops itself. It's as if Saturn has an immense amount of power within himself but somehow I think they are wasting it and putting a lot of power on the Moon's side... Probably over-rating them or looking at them as a "superior" team. I'm not saying that Saturn doesn't believe that they will go through, as they look quite confident and ambitious in that position, but perhaps they are thinking they are the underdogs when they should be looking at this as a 50/50 chance, and that type of thinking may have its consequences.

Now, regarding the Moon, in collective terms and team union, they don't look as strong as the ASC team, as the Moon is weaker in this position than Saturn is. Being located in their own 3rd house, this is a team that preferably has a logic and intellectual approach to this tournament and it will be no different tommorrow with this match, as Saturn is in their 3rd house aswell. So they are studying their opponent and are likely to make an adaptation of their standard strategies to face this team tommorrow.

As both teams are in the same sign, I believe these are also teams that are quite familiar with each other and the game will be quite balanced, with both teams having possession and their own moments to shine.

Having said that, I do believe that Germany will be the winner of this match... I say this for a few reasons. First, the North Node is on their 5th house, which strengthens their game and their tactics. Then we have the Moon opposed to POF, which regularly points to the victory of the DSC team, even though the team here is actually represented by the Moon, so the opposition may bring them some misfortune at some point in the game, not sure. And the Sun is right on the DSC, which shouts "success" to me, plus there's a grand trine involving this Sun, the Moon and Neptune, which is hidden (intercepted) in their 8th house of loss, and this may mean an accomplishment is made... Finally, we have a VOC Moon, which may mean that that the expected happens (Germany wins). I do think that this match has the potential to end up in a draw after the 90 minutes, as the Moon is VOC, in Via Combusta, it's applying to a malefic (Saturn), its dispositor just came out from a conjunction with the South Node...

I don't know, all in all it's risky to make a prediction with a chart like this but it's always good to practice! Any other comments on this chart are welcome.

[acuariano0377]

Originally Posted by FreeWing

Italy is represented by Saturn and Germany by the Moon.

Hi Freewings!

Your analysis is very interesting and entertaining for me! I've read them all!

When the moon is lord of ASC or C7 and the VOC or degree of loss that always hurts the team it represents. Therefore lost Germany. Because is a "team lost" ( en español decimos que la luna en grado de perdida o VOC que representa a un significador sea ASC o C7, este equipo ya sale "perdido" a la cancha)
If the moon is not lord of C7 (or ASC) , another had been the result.

Regards!

[waybread]

Italy over Germany, 2-1.

[lilithofeden]

Ahhhhh Germany lost. It was quite an upsetting game. It seemed like for every one germany player there were 5 Italian players. It was quite interesting for me though that as soon as I said "We need a miracle!" Germany got a penalty kick! Like seconds after I said that. If only we were given two miracles we could have had a better chance. Oh well, Italy played hard.

[FreeWing]

Originally Posted by acuariano0377

Hi Freewings!

Your analysis is very interesting and entertaining for me! I've read them all!

When the moon is lord of ASC or C7 and the VOC or degree of loss that always hurts the team it represents. Therefore lost Germany. Because is a "team lost" ( en español decimos que la luna en grado de perdida o VOC que representa a un significador sea ASC o C7, este equipo ya sale "perdido" a la cancha)
If the moon is not lord of C7 (or ASC) , another had been the result.

Regards!

Oh wow, thanks acuariano !! Oh boy, was I wrong on this one! Italy won and very-well deserved. I didn't put the pieces of the puzzle together on this one, now that you've mentioned that it makes perfect sense! Thanks for that. Definatelly will take that into consideration next time !!

Now we have the big Final with Spain vs Italy... Who would have thought that! A Latin Final... Should be interesting!

[paneagle7]

Originally Posted by paneagle7

Germany Italy ; I did not get a chance to post this before game began but at half time Italy is stunning. Wow.

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on my notice that harmonics suggested Germany was best bet in tournament using final game date chart of July 1 -

it seems to me Italy (Rome) and Germany (Berlin) are on the same longitude. I had used a figure aligned with 12 degrees east longitude
- as both Italy and Germany were there, Germany seemed more likely.
Portugal was also looking good for final, but nearby Spain as favorite.

Now final comes to Italy and Spain.
Looking at Madrid at game time local and Rome for this final chart.

the kiev ukraine site of game time 945pm chart gives moon on 11th in sag -2 to -1 degree from exact.
This in my view favors Spain if the favorite. 11th house is an odd house or favorite.
But aspect is not exact, so not quite sure.

Rome Italy 845pm chart shows the sun setting exact. (Italy had pluto rising and sun set exact on cusps against germany)
Now Pluto in final is also -2 past exact from rising (Italy as past empowered coming off big win)

Madrid Spain at 845pm shows mercury applying +2 degrees of 8th, and node -2 from cusp of 12th.
This node mark is the point of a past victory. the mercury could mean 2nd half or late game activity.

I would still set this closely with the Sun and Italy because exactness counts.
the Sol of this game is 19 sagittarius (SOL = 60th harmonic sun) which is also my sun sign degree exact.
So perhaps I am correct. It seems I favor with the Italians more, but it might be only that, not
a sign of victory.

I wonder if 2nd half chart needs to be drawn or can be useful. The second half begins at 11:00PM
madrid spain has uranus on 3rd cusp exact. Pluto is within apply +1 degree of 12th for Rome Italy
Kiev game time chart for 2nd half shows Moon to 10th within apply +1 degree of MC.
The same moon that starts the 11th house, is the 2nd half MC.

Are the Italians on the Moon? or is Spain the favorite, to enjoy the repeat victory of last year.

If the chart requires a overtime, then soccer with its potential draw system and tie breaker, this is why its
a tough sport to pick. It would refer to the tie breaker from the original Kiev chart of game beginning. This
I think goes for Spain. Moon in Sag at 13 degrees sagittarius - this aligns with 40 to 45 north. Madrid is at 40. Rome 42.
The sol at 19 sag is also near 44 north, again closer to Rome.
But we might consider also the sun or sol degree (60th harmonic) at 10 cancer and 19 to 22 sag and Uranus also
as a planet often of world events - Uranus is at 8 aries which is equal to 8 degrees west longitude. Madrid is only 3 west
so not exact, but perhaps helps them. Enough to win, I don't know.
The sol in sag at 43 north is close to Rome, and they may very well prevail. But it is not exact either.

I would look at players birth dates to see if any sag players on these teams. The only Sag is Villa for Spain at dec 3rd about 13 degrees sun. This is the moon and so I predict something important for him during this game.

PICK; Spain wins in tie break.
(But I hope not)

[FreeWing]

Incredible... PoF exactly sextiles Saturn (Spain, IMO) between the 12th and the 13th minute... Spain scores during the 13th minute.

[FreeWing]

Jupiter trines the ASC & sextiles the DSC between the 39th and 40th minute, the Sun moves from the 6th to the 5th house of Spain (how they play their game) on that exact same time... Spain again scores during the 40th minute!

[waybread]

Spain 4, Italy 0

[acuariano0377]

Originally Posted by acuariano0377

Hi People!

Vicente del Bosque has a Capri Sun square Saturn natal. That's a very bad position but is very Saturnino. Saturn is dispositor the the Sun natal and is exalted. And when Saturn made ​​his entry to Libra into active that square and won the World Cup.
While Saturn is in his exaltation, the Era Del Bosque in Spain will continue getting hits.
He started the Euro a SR with Sun trine Jupiter partile and Iker Casillas, team´s Captain, started a SR with Sun conjuction with Jupiter.
The Chart from the Era Del Bosque ahead of Spain is very successful and the SR of the Chart to Kiev is really impressive.

When Saturn enters Scorpio, the Age Del BosQue stop harvesting successes.

For me, Spain won the Euro 2012.

Regards!

Del Bosque is strongly influenced by Jupiter like Casillas, Xavi and Iniesta in this euro . And Jupiter gives generously, the final was 4-0.

Also the Chart Era Del Bosque was a SR Sol conjuction jupiter.
Much Jupiter, that is glory, honor, success gives generously.