Venus-Sun Conjunctions, The Pentagram and Your M.C.

[piercethevale]

Greetings Star Seers.

I've been low on energy lately...due to my still recupreating and adjusting to the operation I had last March 30th...thus I'm going to start this thread by copying and pasting excerpts from other threads rather than write an introduction.
If anyone doesn't know what I'm getting at here...let me know and I'll take the time to write something more thorough...as this is an advanced technique...and one hither to unknown. ...although I always suspect someone somewhere in the world already knows this stuff and 'Just Ain't Talking"...as surely as I believe in the ancient civilizations...such as Lemuria/Mu/Oz and Atlantis...I surely believe all knowledge was at one time known to Humankind...and most of it has been subsequently lost.

A number of you no doubt know of a thread or two...may be even three...where-in I have mentioned something about whom I supposedly was in a previous life or lives and know that a number of you of those probably would rather not hear anything about it again either from disbelief or that it be redundant.
I can't say I blame you. I am a natural cynic and I usually let out a rather loud 'PA-SHAW' whenever anyone starts up with their own alleged past life or lives ..especially if it's coming out of some one like 'Sylvia Brown's' mouth, whom I consider to be pretty much an outright fraud [so, She can sue me if she wishes to...] or some $20.00 a reading Palm Reader or Carney Psychic.
I usually bite my tongue when ever anyone I don't really know tries to tell me any sort of similar story unless they were reputably and profession regressed or utilized a clairvoyant I'm convinced of.

I was allegedly the Arthurian Knight known as Parsival over a thousand years ago. I didn't go looking for this info...it came to me in the form of many signs, omens, more signs and a clairvoyant named Clarisse Conner, that I was introduced to early in 2003. I won't go over the story as enough of you have probably heard it and are rather tired of or sick of hearing it. The rest of you can read my book or find one of the threads or posts that I did bring it up in...this is not about me trying to aggrandize myself... it is about enlightening you all to Astrology rarely seen, if at all, possibly unknown, but definitely unknown to most all ...and certainly not ever written about or publically explained...[If I'm wrong, please inform me of the source...I will retract that last statement.

I only became known of this alleged past life in 2007... due to the effort and sincerity of the clairvoyant, Clarisse whom had proven to me Her abilities to see the past and the present near impeccably...if not out right so...[and I still am convinced of the 'Outright' ability she has as to things of the past and present..no one can predict the future...IMHO...nor should anyone utilize a clairvoyant for such...IMHO, again.]

It was in 2008 that I learned of Rudolph Steiner's prediction that Parsival would be re-incarnated in the late part of the 20th century as due to Venus and the Sun in conjunctions create a Pentagram every five times and due to that these conjunctions come to a completion of all 72 possible pentagrams in the 360 degrees of the Zodiac every 1200 years. which is forever recurrent.
I din't know of this pattern of the conjunctions prior to late 2008 nor had I ever read anything that Rudolph Steiner had ever said or done..I knew of the name and that he was allegedly a psychic or clairvoyant or had some proclivities in those areas...but that was about all. I didn't know anyone else that knew of him or his works...at least I never heard anyone I know talk of him...[Edgar Cayce, now, is a different story. The study of Him and reading of the transcripts of his 'Readings' was a passion of mine since I was about 8 years old thanks to my parents being such passionate readers and believers of his works themselves, since the 1940s..in parents bookcases there was a huge library of books on Edgar Cayce, by the organization preserving his information, the ARE, the monthly Journal of the ARE... etc....but I digress and a number of you are probably as tired of hearing me promote and laud Edgar Cayce and Clarisse.]
I can't remember how I came to be reading anything on Rudolph Steiner but it was probably from a search engine 'hit' that led to a passage in a book regarding this prediction He made on Parsival...as I was trying to gather all the info I could [and still am] on this legendary or mythical Knight... As my meeting my yogi friend, Suryakant, in late 2003 and his subsequent help and the info he provided along with loaning me his copy of 'The Cup of Destiny' by Trevor Ravenscroft just 3 days after Clarisse sent me a post card telling me; "This morning I see visions of 2 knights on horseback coming together, doing battle. Your are upright with the power of the Sun. He is born in Winter...a soldier knowing little comfort. Check birthdates on business associates to regain control in your life. Stay busy. Rely on yourself with publicationJupiter and Sagittarius help but you must follow your.. own spiritual ideals for success..." and so on. This post card I received was unsolicited, as I hadn't asked her for any such info and had a few readings with her between the time I was introduced to her in early 2003 and that May 2007, but only about three hour long sessions and one short follow up one, and it had been about 4 months since I last spoke to her. She had told me that I would be writing, teaching and publishing at least one book and most likely a number of them back in 2003 and 4 and I did do a couple more readings with her when I produced the birth chart I claim to be and am personally 100% convinced is that of Yeshua/Jesus of Nazareth in November 2004, as I realized then that I did have something to write about and teach people about....This post card and Suryakants book arrived right after I moved into this apt. after having been through 7 years of great trials and tribulations [and I know that's cliche...but, It certainly was...to the Nth power...in my estimation and compared to anything I had ever been through in the previous 47 years of my life prior to May 2000] and living in a 140 year old, and definitely quite haunted, Hotel, [The old Folsom Hotel on what used to be old U.S. Highway 50, before the bypass was constructed in the 60s]...and that had been, pretty much, a 'Transients Hotel', or one populated pretty much for the most part by old guys in their 60s and 70s that were getting to little Social Security to live anywhere else... the last 30 years.

The month after I moved in I had a visitation on 2 out of three successive evenings, both times at around 9 pm by, what I call, 'Sprites'...I even got a couple of photos of some the month after that on July 23, and 24 as I was taking pictures outside my apt. that overlooks the American River and Lake Natoma because of the magnificent sunsets that occurred those two nights. I didn't see these entities as I was taking the pictures witch was set at a shutter speed of 1/30th a second...but I not only saw them I had physical interaction with one of them on those two nights in June the month before.[I've posted the two pictures in the 'Show Off' sub forum a couple of years ago and have written about the 'interaction' in other threads and posts. People that have had experiences like mine know them immediately for what they are..I've found to my awe...I don't even have to say anything other than "Look at this photo I took and tell me what you see?"..and interestingly most of those that have use the same term I do...Sprite... the others call them either Faeries or Angelic of some order.]

I began writing the book in August 2007 here in this apt. and submitted it for and got it published on March 3rd, 2008. Note the publisher got to it when he could...I didn't push for any particular date as I was grateful to be accepted for publication in the first place. March 3 is, 3/3 and 33 is known as the mystical and occult number of Jesus/Yeshua the Man not the Christ, as the number of the Christ is 888 [this info is in Dane Rudhyar's writings as well as a number of other writers on such subjects.]...it was near as like to the night I was invited to give a talk on radio, to a quite sizable audience, about this chart I produced, Sabian Symbols, how they are used in Astrology and how they and Rudhyars writings gave me the tools and understanding I needed to be able to identify the astrological chart as being that of the Man from Nazareths' when I did produce it and that was on the Rick Barber radio program on AM radio KOA Denver, Colorado on Dec 22, 2005...a date they chose and I found that the North Node was on the 10th of Aries that night...and the Sabian Symbol for the North Node that night was [From Dane Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandala"]:
10* Aries, "A TEACHER GIVES NEW SYMBOLIC FORMS TO TRADITIONAL IMAGES.

KEYNOTE: Revision of attitude at the beginning of a new cycle of experience.... ...At this...stage a new dimension of consciousness is discovered, revealing higher possibilities of experience and mental development. This is a phase of ABSTRACTION and of emotional allegiance."

...considering that it takes over 18years for the North Node to complete its transit of the entire 360 degrees of the Zodiac...It was either a sign or one heck of a coincidence, I thought at the time...and btw, for those of you that haven't read my thread in the 'Mundane/Country' sub forum on the USA natal Part of Transformation and Uranus conjuncting it next year...the 10th of Aries also happens to be that degree. [and My Part off Unusual Events, Asc+ Uranus - Moon, is at 08* Aries 14' and that is happening now and will be back over it in retro next year and in Final Return early 2014]

Then there were more signs omens or at least I certainly I believed them to be so and Clarisse always would confirm these as so and then provide a clue as to a sign to even watch for on a few occasions that most certainly did occur.

I had been meaning to getting around to checking these Venus-Sun conjunctions out for quite a while now...it seemed like it would take hours at the screen dialing in different data to get accurate charts [and it does!] and I didn't even want to begin until I found out [if I could find out] wheter Rudolph Steiner meant the 'Inferior' or "Superior' conjunctions of Venus and the Sun or both or what...then there is the little problem I had taking a few minutes to get an idea of the scope of it and find that it seems to me that this completion shouldn't take even 600 years let alone 1200...which still I don't quite understand what Steiner was getting at. But as the author Trevor Ravenscroft also said the reincarnation would be in time for the beginning of the 21st Century I figured that there was likely something to this 'prediction' and to take it as serious as it warrants itself to be...or until or unless I find that the two of them didn't know what they were talking about or were both in some sort of obvious error or promoting b.s, [bad science] propaganda, lies, deliberate or otherwise.
Then the last Venus Sun conjunction that did just occur...which was announced as being as Such a Rarity as to only occurring every Xmany number of years [Xmany = Alot] ...just so happened to occur on my friend ''Mitch's'' [not His real name. ..as for anonymity for His request of privacy...mentioned in my book and many posts and threads] 50th birthday on 6/6/2012.
Well, that was the 'kick in the pants' that finally got me 'On the Case', so to speak...

Now that I've given you all an introduction to what this is about to entail... [that is, if anyone needed as such, and I figure some one will come along that won't have a clue as to what I'm going to be explaining, talking about, getting into here with the next dozen or so posts...less or more...that I figure it will take me to talk about this]...
...here's the reposts from the other thread that I'm 'spinning off of' into this particular subject and its own thread....following.

[piercethevale]

[from the earliest three posts...]

The book I recommended above [Rudhyar and Rael's, "Astrological Aspects. A Process Oriented Approach"] is an excellent book and if you haven't read it yet...I do so recommend it.
In it you'll find that Rudhyar was all about the 'process' around the Martix you find in a chart. From conjunct to opposition and back.
You'll also find that He sees many of these 'matrices' as resolution to conflict of Oppositions... in approach and in Seperating.
There in is the clue to the solution of this matrix of yours. Find the 'Evolutionary' and 'Involutionary' understandings of the approach to the opposition[s]. That's what ITS all about.
This understanding comes from understanding the Sabian Symbols, In that...that's what it's all about...the mearging of the Yin and the Yan.
Read my thread on Quintile Yods... therein is the Key. The Finger of God is about 'the polarities becoming one' [the current 'Trad' belief that all Female Signs are Negative and Male is Positive is hogwash. That's how Tesla figured out Edisons generator was awkward and inefficient. He looked to the Universe around him and saw it as a Yin and Yan [Read my thread on 'A Runic Explanation of the Zodiac,"
Once you Understand that Jesus' mystical/occult number # is 33 and Mother Mary's 55 because 33 represent two trines [the Star of David] and 55 Two Pentagrams you are on your way.
My M.C. is the 25th of Leo [Jesus/Yeshuas Part of Eros] Jesus/Yeshuas Asc is the 1st Degree of Libra at apprx. 00* 59' Libra. If it is as the great Dane Rudhyar said is true ''That all true paths of Discipleship begin in Virgo" and the Spiritually 'Evolutionary direction throught the Zodiac is in reverse [clockwise] starting at Virgo 30* ..the counting the 1st degree of Libra and heading that direction..where do you think the first Semi Quintile is? [It is the 25th degree of Leo, my M.C.]



You see each pentagram represents a perfect life pattern for a Human being. 72 of them in the Zodiac [and every 1200 years Venus completes all 72 of them in conj. with the Sun...according to Rudolph Steiner and as I have already stated above I have neither confirmed this yet to be true nor quite understand exactly what He may have been trying to indicate as it seems to me it should have been pretty obvious that it shouldn't take half as long...]
The are 72 Angels of the Quinaries ..one for every 5 degrees.. go another 36* and you are at the 18th of Cancer The same angel that governs [in a sense] over the 16th of Cancer..My Uranus.. [ibid.]

Cancer 16* [ibid.] "A MAN STUDYING A MANDALA IN FRONT OF HIM, WITH THE HELP OF A VERY ANCIENT BOOK.

KEYNOTE: A deep concern with problems raised by the process of personality integration.

After a person decides to follow a certain course of action, accepting a new allegiance, the results of this decision at the three basic levels of human experience (actional, emotional-cultural and individual-mental) have to be stabilized and consolidated.

This is what is meant by the process of personality integration. In Asia the great symbol of this process is the Mandala; in the Christian world we find, in various forms, the symbol of the Cross. The Christian design is often simple and bare; it is its reference to the crucifixion of a God-man that personalizes or emotionalizes it. The Oriental Mandala can take an infinite variety of forms and can encompass a vast multiplicity of contents; it is psychological and cosmic. The square - the foundation of the Mandala - potentially encloses diverse contents. The Cross, on the other hand, represents conflict in action; it is a symbol of tragic overcoming. The Mandala symbolizes integration of opposing trends and multiple bipolar energies.

This ...stage of the...sequence [of symbols]. It reveals a deep effort on the part of the individualized consciousness to reach a solid basis of understanding that will allow it to perceive the structural relationship of every part of the personality to every other part. It is a mental process implying study and an inward-turning of the attention, CONCENTRATION; even more it is a symbol of what might at first be called CONFORMATION — that is, a profound and stabilizing sense of form, but of one's own individual form,. [Rudhyar was obviously talking about the Sabian Symbols in use to understand true natal Astrology here folks...that's what this 16th Degree of Cancer represents in its most Spiritual, in its most Highest interpretation/definition....why do you suppose he titled His book on the Sabian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala"?





...This is sacred knowledge and I was told last week to consider revealing all this ...but to wait 10 days...that's today. [this was originally posted on March 27, 2012 and was part of a series of posts I made in response to another member of this forum asking about a 'Chart Pattern' they were unfamilar with..]

[piercethevale]

[the next two posts, also from March 27, 2012..copied and pasted here]

Do you know why the Quintile YOD is the true YOD ..because the letter of the Hebrew alpha bet that is called YOD is also the number 10... how many fingers do you have? I'm sure it isn't 12....
There's THE FINGER OF GOD! [as opposed to that presently touted to be the FINGER OF GOD and the Yod, which is based on semi sextiles and is part of the 12 point matrix...not a 10 point matrix.]

Now, one last thing...think of your M.C. as your Kingdom atop the Mountain that rises above the Horizon axis of your chart. And on either side at 36*, are the rims of the valley of this Mountain where you reside...and there's an Angel on each rim guarding your abode!

this is most sacred knowledge!
[as all was described and explained to me by clairvoyant, Clarisse Conner, at my request.]

[piercethevale]

[now here's what I posted as of last night for the first time...]

Here's a development.... I'm copying and pasting excerpts of messages and e-mails I sent to various friends today. I'm doing it the lazy way as this revelation is quite new to me...and I spent many hours back checking, rechecking and checking some more to make sure I was seeing what I believed I had.
I had suspected that something like this was occurring... as you can tell from my posts above... I'll provide more details later for anyone that needs more understanding. I'm sure that a number of you will 'get it' from what I am posting tonight.
__________________________________________________ ____
[to a friend, an astrologer]


Well, what are the Yods? [and I mean that as a pun]
In the last 4 or 5 days [I don't remember...I've lost track of exactly when this struck me.] due to recent Venus/Sun conj. on June 6th which happens to be my friend 'Mitch's' 50th birthday [I mention Him in my book and have also in numerous threads at the astrology forum....he was born June 6, 1962 @ 6:06 AM in Kileen, Texas.] and the Sun/Venus conj., that day,was conjunct His natal Sun @ 15* Gemini 18', it gave me cause to look into the Pentagrams mentioned by Rudolph Steiner that occur with every inferior and superior conj that Venus makes with the Sun and which completes all 72 of them, according to Steiner every 1200 years. [and this I don't quite understand as the math seems way off...but the pattern does comply...just not at that rate from what I see...I will have to confirm what this cycle is in terms of years at some point...if only for the sake of some intellectual satisfaction...further on down the road.]

[to Clarisse, my clairvoyant friend and spiritual confidante.]


Namaste Clarisse. I do pray that you are well...I seen that you've not posted anything in a week...
The recent Venus/Sun conj. that occurred on June 6th was Malkayes 50th birthday...and the rarity of this particular conj. with his Sun gave me a kick in the rear to final give a little effort in researching...[checking for signs] via the Pentagrams of the Venus Sun conjs. that R. Steiner spoke of being a sign of Parsivals return after 1200 years..yada...yada...
BanG!...WOW... my heads spinning. Both the inferior and superior conjs. of Venus to the Sun [This side and the other side of the Sun] made a conj. to my Mid Haven staring with the inferior exactly on the same degree...the 25th of Leo...and the superior within 17' of a degree but in the 24th of Leo. The first occurred on Aug 18th, 2007 and the superior one last August 16th, 2011 Thus immediately concerned and interested i checked out the next 4 conjs for the inferior and found that, while not on the exact matrix points they were close enough and when i read the different symbols than the ones I only recently read for the ideal matrix I was stunned awed and humbled like nothing I've run across in Astrology before. The next in the process for both cycles would have been ideally the 1st of Aries [Yeshua's Desc.] but both came out on the 8th of Aries...and it's all about those 'Sprites' and the elementals that you foretold just before I moved in here and this date is about 2 mos later than the visitations....here's the symbol:

[Dane Rudhyar]
"A LARGE WOMAN'S HAT WITH STREAMERS BLOWN BY AN EAST WIND.

KEYNOTE: Protection and spiritual guidance in the development of consciousness.

This somewhat strange image can be understood if every stated feature in it is clearly analyzed without preconceptions. Here again we see a woman; but now her head is covered with a large hat - a protection against the forces of nature, i.e. cold and/or the penetrating rays of the sun. At this emotional-cultural level (Phases 6 through 10) the mental processes are still largely undeveloped) thus they need protection from the elemental forces of life. A too great openness to the Sky-energies and the "spiritual" level could lead to obsessions of one kind or another.

The symbolic image implies a rather strong wind, thus the activity of some more-than-material, and especially psychic, forces. These originated in the East, traditionally the seat of spiritualizing and creative-transforming influences. The woman's hat has streamers, which enable it not only to respond to the wind but to indicate its source. In other words, the image symbolizes a stage of development of consciousness in which the nascent powers of the mind are both protected and influenced by energies of a spiritual origin. This suggests a probationary stage in the process of individualization. Under protective guidance a still most receptive person (a woman) is being influenced by spiritual forces.

This is a third stage symbol in which we see the first and second stages of this second five-fold sequence producing results which require PROTECTIVE FORMS (which is what a culture and ethical precepts provide) and SENSITIVITY to spiritual energies."

...and ain't that THE TRUTH...!

[as I see this as indication of the events I mentioned about the 'Sprites'..of which Clarisse did give me a 'Heads Up', that, "my path was about to become 'Shamanistic' for awhile" which I have come to understand is why they arrived and why and how I know they are always watching over me and out for me... I have no doubt of this...and have already seen it happen in action and am positively convinced, myself, of this]

...the next 3 changed from each other..and the first appears to me to be the opening act and the latter the finale...in a personal sense. ...I won't go into th details of the symbols...I know you can see it in your minds eye. The most astonishing thing though is that not only do the Nodes relate a symbolic message but every Planet and Luminary alike...and I had just read an opinion by Rudhyar, in one of his books, telling his readers not to expect symbolic significance in the Nodes for the great mass of Humanity but that it does work that way for those on trans-personal missions [as I already knew]..but to find EVERY Planet and Luminary so poignantly involved in the overall symbolism and in such tenor with one another...Oh My!

...and the picture it tells in these 10 events are worth 10,000 words...
WOW.... nobody has CLUE as to how DEEP this runs...not from what i've seen...maybe a few suspect... possibly a few know...[Lynda probably does...]

I best sign off and think all this out....
EL&L,
David


[to another friend...an astrologer.]


The ideal matrix being the 25th of Leo [24* Leo 05'...in the rectified chart 24* 21' in the old chart.] 13th of Gemini, Aries 01* [Yeshua/Jesus' Desc.] 19th of Capricorn and the 7th of Scorpio. The inferior occurs at 16th of Gemini, the 22nd of Cap. [My Hermetic Lot of Eros...and Yeshua/Jesus', Lot of Eros, is conj my M.C.] and the 6th of Scorpio. The order being Leo, Aries, Scorpio, Gemini and the last to occur in Jan 2014 in Capricorn... the Superior is the 24th of Leo, the 8th of Aries again in March 2013 conj. by 17' of a degree to my part of Unusual Events and just a couple weeks shy of Uranus being exactly conj it., then the 1st of Scorpio in 2014, 17th of Gemini on June 6th again...and conj. My 8th house cusp, Malakyes Mercury and His birthday once again in 2016, and the last in the 19th of Capricorn Jan 2018. Even the chart axis for the first event in 2007 is symbolic in that the Asc. is my Hermetic Lot of Necessity as is rectified...and the Desc. my part of Service....it goes on and on...I need to reflect...
Keep your chin up!
Dave

Look up the symbols yourselves...it will be epiphany....[and know, this is a theory..as I checked my proposed birth chart of Yeshua/Jesus had such going on...and so far I'm convinced he did not...but He did have some entirely different kind of dharma here on Earth...and this is not to say that such matrices of different designs with other Planets don't and didn't occur in a Sun conj. during His liftime...it is something I've thought about but haven't begun in earnest such a exhaustive research as it will surely take.
The thing is if one of these patterns does exist in the chart of some known personage in the present or past that 'fits the profile' then it is going to be an extremely interesting study for anyone that has belief in some one that qualifies as such.
In those lives of world servers you can look up their Mid Havens and then look for similar events with Venus/Sun conjs. in their lives if a conj between Venus and the Sun occurred in their lifetime...or possibly other Planets to the Sun which will give another dimension to that understanding.

I've been up about 36 hours right now...had a vistor last night at mid night..unannounced that aggravated me enough that I couldn't sleep last night...and being restless I spent hour upon hours here at this computer...and looking back on the 'History' of my online activity...I see I've had quite the data download to the old 'Brainbox' the last day and a half....Like Yurtle the Turtle...I'm outta here ...for awhile, anyway.

...more tomorrow, that's enough writing for me tonight.


...the event chart for the first inferior conj. of Venus and the Sun in the 25th degree of Leo...in August, 2007.

[piercethevale]

I would like to point out the following in the event chart above for the first conj. of Venus and the Sun on my natal M.C.
Pluto is retrograde and had just crossed [conjuncted] my Part of Transformation [Asc. + Uranus - Mars] @ 28* Sag. 12'. [and had recently conjuncted my Part of Intelligence/Skill Asc. + Mars - Mercury @ 24* Sag. 06'] and was at the 27th of Sag. on this date [ibid]
"A SCULPTOR AT HIS WORK.

KEYNOTE: The ability to project one's vision upon and to give form to materials.

At this stage we see the individual creatively expressing his own particular individuality. He takes the materials available in his social-geographical environment and shapes them so they reveal to other people something of his inner life and purpose.

This second phase in the fifty-fourth sequence is, as usual, in contrast to the first. The "flag bearer" symbolizes the selfless representative of a collective tradition or of national unity; the "sculptor," on the contrary, represents man as a creative individual intent on making his mark upon society. This is a symbol of man's capacity to transform raw materials according to his personal vision — thus a symbol of SELF-PROJECTION INTO A WORK."

Uranus is retrograde and had just recently crossed [conjuncted] my Part of Inheritance [Spiritual Inheritance] @ 18* Pisces 44' and which also happens to be the part of Fortune that I derive from my birth chart of Yeshua/Jesus that I claim to be accurate and have 100% belief in. 19* Pisces [ibid] "A MASTER INSTRUCTING HIS DISCIPLE[S]"
..and Uranus was in the 18th degree that day [ibid]
"(PISCES 18°): IN A GIGANTIC TENT, VILLAGERS WITNESS A SPECTACULAR PERFORMANCE.

KEYNOTE: The collective appeal of a well-staged and exciting display of skill and/or oratory....

...what takes place is the use of personal achievement and conviction to bring a crowd to a state of enthusiasm sufficient to make it forget its boredom with everyday routine or its familiar sins of commission or omission...

...the individual person and the collectivity are brought together... ...which subtly strengthens the communal spirit directly or indirectly. ...the time has come for the individual to dare to present himself and his works to his community for applause, or for the purpose of attracting a following. What is suggested is PUBLIC SELF-DRAMATIZATION."

Mercury is in the 28th of Leo [ibid]
(LEO 27°): "THE LUMINESCENCE OF DAWN IN THE EASTERN SKY.

KEYNOTE: The exalting challenge of new opportunities at the threshold of a new cycle.

While the rainbow marks the end of the crisis, early dawn indicates the real beginning of the new period of activity. In the Biblical symbolism Noah plants his "vineyard" — he begins to teach the "secret doctrine" which he inherited from those Ben Elohim (Sons of God) who had not been sucked down into whirlpools of materiality. After the "peak experience" in which we touch our "divine" potentialities comes the struggle with everyday problems. But at first the state of deep inner exultation remains within us. We are aglow with its promise.

The crisis and the blessings it has brought to us are relatively unusual events; every day has its dawn, which we should meet with a pure heart and a clear mind. Alpha (dawn) and omega (the concluding peak experience) are opposites, yet the same. The Keyword here is ILLUMINATION."

...getting the same picture as I do...? Everything was Symbolic IMHO as to that day...I had just started writing my book a couple/few weeks earlier...

...more Tomorrow...

[piercethevale]

In the chart above for the first event of this cycle that began with a Venus Sun conjunction on my natal M.C. in August,2007 the true North Node is at 07* Pisces 06' 00". Interestingly my Hermetic Lot/Part of Victory is also the same 8th degree of Pisces. [07* Pisces 13'] btw, the USA natal Ceres is 08* Pisces 42'
[From Rudhyar's book on the Sabian symbols] 08* Pisces:
"GIRL BLOWING A BUGLE.

KEYNOTE: A call to participation in the service of the race, as an evolutionary crisis approaches.

This symbolic picture presents another aspect of the emotional relationship between the individual and the collectivity of human beings... ...In traditional symbolism the woman refers more specifically to the biological and psychic aspect of human life; she is seen primarily as the mother, and/or the intuitive or "psychic" type of person. A new race of human beings may well be slowly unfolding some of its potential of consciousness and fulfillment. The individual who envisions this evolutionary development "sounds the call." He or she is both seer-herald and mutant. In that sense such a human being is both an individual true to his original nature and a dedicated person — dedicated to the future he or she holds in latency as does a seed in mutation.

At this... ...stage of the... ...sequence the two preceding phases blend in a new form of consecration of the individual to the Whole. Tomorrow acts through today; it SUMMONS men to rebirth."

...and if you would, please, compare that to my natal North Node [06* Aqua. 54'] at the 7th of Aquarius...
"A CHILD IS SEEN BEING BORN OUT OF AN EGG.

KEYNOTE: The emergence of new mutations according to the great rhythms of the cosmos."

...you will note that...the key words I'm emphasizing between the two degrees in the Symbols definition by Rudhyar are; "New Race" and "Mutant/Mutation".
..and my natal Saturn in the 23rd degree of Libra has a Sabian Symbol of that of a 'Herald'...it seems as though I was getting some "muscle" as 'back up' from the Cosmos/The Creator. [or maybe I Am the muscle...?...certainly the mouth!]
Of interesting note [to me, anyhow] is the the Asc. for the event is 13* Pisces 47' 40" ....as my natal Part of [Spiritual] Service [Asc. + Moon - Mercury] is at 13* Virgo 04' ...
[I've included Eris aka ub 303 in many charts recently...not because I believe it to be of astrological affect {as I don't...and IMHO, it ain't...} in both these first two charts it is in the 22nd degree of Aries and that's the Asc. [21* Aries 29' 33"] for the USA natal chart, which I claim to be the correct natal chart for the USA and the only correct one...i.e. calculated by the data; at the very start of the day, 12:00:01 AM, July 4, 1776 with Philadelphia, Pennsylvania as the birth place. On the astrological chart for the Crucifixion of Yeshua/Jesus, {Which I produced based on the birth data, hence the natal birth chart of Yeshua/Jesus , as it is known and accepted, by overwhelming consensus, that the Crucifixion did occur on the on the Friday the 13th prior to the first Sunday after the first Full Moon that occurred after the Spring Equinox, in Yeshua/Jesus' 33rd year ...and according to Rudolph Steiner, the actual 'physical death occurred 14 days after Yeshua/Jesus' 32nd birth day...all of which this chart for the Crucifixion I have produce do so satisfy as requisites...} I Eris can be found at the 1st degree of Libra...which is the degree of the Ascendant for that chart I claim is that of Yeshua/Jesus...which just happens to be where Pluto was that day on the moment that Yeshua/Jesus was born...the Moon in the 30th of Virgo and so huge ...as it was about to be full, in under 24 hours...that it blocked out Pluto. I also believe that the position of the legendary {or mythical 'Star of Bethlehem' if it did , in fact, exist}...it surely had to have been in the 1st degree of Libra....which degree symbolism is of a butterfly that was perfect in it's physical form that is now kept on a collection 'The Perfection in Form...the perfect archetype'...and what I'm saying is...could 'Eris' have stayed at the 1st degree of Libra for some 32 plus years? ...as what I'm also saying is, Eris isn't a "Natural Object'...as I'm privy to this info through "guarded...and 'Guided'... sources"...if you know what I mean?...]


Now here's the second in the cycle of five of the Venus-Sun cojunctions that does so in a pentagram matrix...mind you all, not a perfect Pentagram do these conjunctions make, but they do so within an allowable orb of influence... as my natal M.C. is @ 24* Leo 05'. The next in the sequence [in the 'Evolutionary direction...reverse through the Zodiac] would be by perfect design at 00* Aries 05'. but this particular conjunction occurred at 07* Aries 15' 32"...and that is one of the degrees in the first decan of Aries, once again! ...some of you have probably read one of my recent threads where I also note that my Part of Unusual Events [Asc. + Uranus - Moon...please not: this 'Part' is not confirmed to my satisfaction that that is indeed what it represents by its title...and it does utilize Uranus, a Planet that hadn't been 'known of' until the early 19th century... [and I do, and have been repeatedly making an appeal to all, members of this forum, to calculate all their natal Astro Parts/Lots that have any of the trans Saturnian planets as 'the Significator', and to take note of what the present title ascribed to the precept of it is and check past dates for Planetary/Luminary or Node conjunction, and try to recall if anything did occur that day... or those days of exact conjunction or within a couple of degrees...and any that will occur in the future with one of these trans-Saturnian Parts/Lots...or any accounting of a conjunction to any Lot/Part, for that matter, if you have something significant to report on that would give indication that any of those particular Lots/Parts that gives rise to suspicion that the 'appellation for the Part/Lot is in error as a title/Statement.]

...also, the USA natal chart has its Asc. at 21* Aries 29' 33" and notice that the 2nd Venus-Sun conjunction, in Aries on March 29th, 2009, has the Moon and Eris on the 22nd degree of Aries,
...AND I find this of particular interest; [as to the North Node being conj. my Hermetic Lot of Victory in the first event chart.] in the second event chart the North Node was, at this time, at 07* Aqua. 29', and during this time it was conj. my Hermetic Lot of Courage at 07* Aqua. 39' [and btw, the USA natal Hermetic Lot of Victory is at 09* Aqua 57' 27"]...[and the South Node for the USA natal chart and the North Node for my natal chart are both conjunct the 7th degree of Aquarius]...and I believe that I made mention that the Asc. in the first event chart is conj. my Hermetic Lot of Necessity..[and as I recently wrote about three of the Hermetic Lots, those of Necessity, Victory and Courage and noted that they all seem to be, quite probably, the Astro-Lots that one should really get to understand what yours represent to your own self as I came to understand mine own through the literal application of the symbolgy the Sabian Symbols, they are...IMHO... the most essential Lots/Parts in crisis, disaster, war, famine, civil unrest or rioting, personal crises and etc....that anyone will ever need to both understand and apply, the Sabian Symbols, quite literally, in such times... as these particular 'Parts/Lots' of my own, certainly interpret for me, through the Sabian Symbols, in that manner and convince me of this. I see that, just like the 'student', as I had been most all my life..and still am...that, once again, I acquired some sort of knowledge and understanding in the final minutes that occur just about immediately before I am 'given to a, or put to a, TEST....! [well, a great deal of the times as i such described in my bonifide 'School Days'... and I graduated with a 3.4 average, back before you couldn't get anything over a 4.0 gpa. I hear nowadays that they have a way you can get over a 4.0...which to me is just the Educators community and the Depts. of Education, both Federal and States, figuring out how to bolster their own inadequacies... I could have done better, but I was majoring in Art and really saw no need to excel at some subjects just for the sake of a 'Grade', when it wouldn't matter one iota to anyone that wished to buy any artwork or hire me in that capacity...it didn't then...and it still doesn't...although I do recommend more than just adequate study and grades in the sciences, history and all else if one does wish to pursue a career in any artistic field...as it will give much more depth to inspiration, perception of vision, understanding of the creative act and the many varied and possible processes that may be, might be utilized in the very 'creative act' of the execution, the producing of, 'Great Art', itself.

The M.C. of this second event is the 25th of Pisces and I am particularly familiar with that Sabian Symbol...it has come up soooo many times these last 12 or more years. As the M.C. of any natal chart does indicate through Sabian symbology, 'HOW' [in a 'Spiritually Evolutionary' interpretation, as it is the "WHY", in a "Materially Involuntionary' interpretation.] to bring about the integration of the energies or precepts of the Asc. and Desc., this brings a smile to my face...
[ibid]
(PISCES 25°): "A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION SUCCEEDS IN OVERCOMING THE CORRUPTING INFLUENCE OF PERVERTED PRACTICES AND MATERIALIZED IDEALS.

KEYNOTE: The power of the Soul to intervene in the personal life and to induce necessary catharses."

As the Asc. [WHO] for this chart is the 14* of Cancer [ibid]: "A VERY OLD MAN FACING A VAST DARK SPACE TO THE NORTHEAST.

KEYNOTE: Fulfillment in transcending and changeless wisdom.

This symbol describes the Wise Old Man, an archetypal figure found in all systems of symbolism. In occult terminology the northeast is the direction from which spiritual-cosmic forces enter the Earth-sphere....
...Implied is that by consistently [and with long diligence] meditating on the changeless and spiritual reality at the very core of all experiences, one can attain the supreme and age-old wisdom. We see in the symbol a way beyond appearances and toward PERMANENCE IN TRUTH."

...Old Man...?!?!?... Hurumph...!!! [I've been told a few times over my life, starting about the time I was a 7 year old child, that I am an "Old Soul"...I must be an even older soul than I ever had suspected...


So the Desc. [the WHERE-TO...or the WHOM -TO SHALL BE... as I like to call it as such...is the 14th of Capricorn.
the 14th of Capricorn is the Part of Destiny that I derived from the astrologicl chart I claim to be that of Yeshua/Jesus of Nazareth. [and it all fits together so nicely...yes, indeed...IMHO...of course!]

that being, [ibid]:
[Cap. 14] "AN ANCIENT BAS-RELIEF CARVED IN GRANITE REMAINS A WITNESS TO A LONG-FORGOTTEN CULTURE.

KEYNOTE: The will to unearth, in our culture as well as in any culture, what has permanent value, and to let go of nonessentials."



...and the I.C., which is the "WHY" of the the chart axis...the reason for the transitional activity from Asc. to Desc. and "HOW" [the M.C.] it had to be accomplished...that is the 25th of Virgo here...
[ibid]:
"A FLAG AT HALF-MAST IN FRONT OF A PUBLIC BUILDING.

KEYNOTE: The social acknowledgment of a job well done and a destiny fulfilled." ...that's reason enough for me...

and the Desc. of this chart just happens to be the degree of the Zodiac of the USA natal Mars...and it is soooo appropriate for these times...[note: I apologize. I didn't catch this error until a few hours after I had posted this. This degree is the I.C. for the first event chart. I regret any confusion this may have caused....ptv]

[Lynda Hill's book, "The Sabian Oracle 360 Degrees of Wisdom"]
Gemini 21*
"A TUMULTUOUS LABOUR DEMONSTRATION. ... ...Sometimes there's a need to lift ones' voice or make a huge fuss otherwise nothing will be done; Things are not likely to change by themselves. Sometimes it is only by rallying many people together in a common cause that you can be heard, or be taken seriously..."


...I don't have faith in any affects by the asteroids [except Chiron for some reason] but I do keep tabs on the main ones as I'm not sold on the idea that they don't have any affect either, for that matter
So I should mention that in the second event chart that Vesta is conjunct my Part of Economy which is at 24* Taurus 22', I thought that was of interest as the vertex for this chart is conj. my Part of Benifit$ and Increa$e.
Pallas is conj. my Part of Friends which is at 25* Gemini 54', Ceres is retrograde and just passed over the USA natal Part of Change [Asc. + Uranus - Pluto] which is at 02* Virgo 48' 43"

I learned a couple of months ago that there is an asteroid named 'Parsival' and since I like to include Eris...just for the heck of it, I figure that I might as well check the 'little boulder', with the way cool name, out...and it is conj. my natal Part of Sickness which is at 28* Gemini 46'. [Eris I have found has repeatedly shown up in the most pertinent degrees of the Zodiac in such timely fashion... but I don't assign any Astrological influence to it nor will I be convinced that it has any, thank you.]


The event chart for the second in the series of five Venus/Sun conjunctions that create this Pentagram

[serafin5]

Hi PTV:

I remember you confiding that you were reincanated from a biblical dude much closer to Yeshua than the soldier(?) you mentioned earlier, right? I hesitate to mention his name/role in the Bible since I am still keeping this confidence. Am I remembering right?

Luv Ya
Serafin5

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by serafin5

Hi PTV:

I remember you confiding that you were reincanated from a biblical dude much closer to Yeshua than the soldier(?) you mentioned earlier, right? I hesitate to mention his name/role in the Bible since I am still keeping this confidence. Am I remembering right?

Luv Ya
Serafin5

Yeah...but I'd rather not get into it..not now anyways...and besides it doesn't really matter... the important thing is that these techniques and understandings, new knowledge and so forth ..of astrology be understood, recognized as valid and invaluable and be accepted and practiced.... and it would be great if the majority of the world is convinced and does believe that the birth chart I claim is in fact that of Yeshua/Jesus and as to what all that would or should subsequently bring cause to.
That biggest thing I could hope to see develop is people will understand that He was born just like anyone else...and by that I mean 'A Condition of the Cosmos' and thus each and everyone of us is, indeed a fact that we all are, a 'Divine expression/creation of the Universe'. That what Yeshua/Jesus allegedly said about any, and or all, of us being capable of not only the same 'miraculous powers' that Yeshua/Jesus had and the so called 'miracles' he performed... but even more of them and greater ones too.
Then maybe all the 'preaching of fear', of "unworthiness", of Hell fire and eternal damnation, of the persecution of non -Christians by Christians, the persecution of one Christian sect by another...etc. etc. etc. ...will finally come to a dead stop.
Clarisse has indicated that this is the first time one of us of those that were close to him has been back to give a 'Follow up' lesson...so to speak. As I have determined to my own satisfaction that the span of an entire greater 'Yuga' is around 26,000 years [I figure that it is 26,664 years, give or take a couple of years...or maybe just months...it could even be just a few weeks...but right about there in time...] and given that this is now about 2000 years since He was born [2009 to be exact] then I figure one will come back to do this every 2000 years for the next 24,000 years...possibly...I've, 'Let it Slip' that I was one of "The Thirteen'... and my talking about this is considered extremely [pick your own word here...but 'self aggrandizing' is one that I might use, and that usually is a turn off to most people, gives the wrong impression...but once in awhile, when I do mention such, I believe that some one needsed to hear it...as I believe they may have been looking for it.]...I think you know what I mean. In my defense, if I need such a defense... I do state in the forward to my book that I had no need for Christianity or Jesus in my present life and that I'm not here to sell or convince anyone of any 'Belief System' or Religion over any other...and that's the truth. If, I may be so bold as to say that, all record and memory of Him had been lost, God would have found another way to get the message across, some how, in some way...[in fact I'm pretty certain of it.] but as it is it wasn't, and it has been twisted and corrupted.... and I do believe that I kind of 'volunteered to take on this incarnation', by request, to set the record straight, so to speak... I'm not saying I probably don't have any 'Karma' of my own to atone for...just probably not in this life by design..and that doesn't mean that I'm not working out some of my own Karma... in fact, I believe I most likely am...but not "generally" from what I've deduced these past four or five years here in this life. Some would say "All was laid on the Altar" prior to my birth in 1953...and a few have that I believe do have knowledge of such matters.
I certainly don't appear to be any one special yogi, if a yogi at all, by the way in which I live my life. I eat meat, I smoke, I drink, I sometimes cuss but never curse [and I don't take Gods' name in vain...I always say "May,God Bless You" ...and most people don't realize that to say it any other way IS TAKING GODS' NAME IN VAIN...if in fact just using the word GOD is using that name...and I'm not certain it is.] ...I sometimes lust...I try not to covet anything that anyone else has...and I'm pretty good at that...as I never did know what I wanted in life or from it "from the get go" and I never asked God for much...other than to please God.
I do have some intolerance for things of other customs and beliefs at times, and have stated so in my life and still do, as I abhor those that worship the "Great Antagonist[s]" and also those that preach false doctrines, but am somewhat tolerant of some of those of the latter as they usually have been indoctrinated by their own parents, families, regional customs, their particular sect of belief and or those that proselytize it...and thus scare them into a twisted belief with fear or condemnation, etc. and they are the ones who, I think, just don't know any better. I haven't always 'turned the other cheek' ...in fact I've "kicked a bit of tail" in my life, on a couple/few occasions...but never out of meanness or for no reason at all...maybe a wrong reason of which I was unaware or one that was less than 'perfectly good reason'...of that I won't deny. Recently I have become pretty much convinced that every single transgression in this realm must be accounted for, and paid for Karmically, if a debt has been incurred...even down to killing a flea or gnat...and as I recently have been given every imaginable reason to believe that I was the Jain monk, that was Ghandi's mother's "friend and spiritual advisor", I figure that be to truth.
Read what Edgar Cayce had to say about the sins of certain nations once. "Indias' sin, is the sin of the self" said Edgar. I see it as, in that India for centuries, in order to protect the sacred knowledge and the Guruampara, it has urged and extolled that one renounce the world and seclude oneself. To look upon those that are suffering all around them with detached compassion, but not to get involved with it in a mundane way. That to perfect oneself is aiding the World in the best manner that was possible. I understand why... as the 'Devil' has a way of corrupting knowledge and rites and has done a dang good job of it too. The renowned yogis of India have had to seclude themselves...going so far as to seek remote and near inaccessible places or caves in the Himalayas and other such mountain ranges or deep in a forest or jungle...passing sacred information and knowledge only by word of mouth from Guru to disciple and on in this manner so and thus so, as to not let anything be written down which then allows that knowledge, those Truths, sacred rites, rituals, prayers, mantras and the such to then be destroyed or even worse, corrupted into something opposite or altogether different, something that is harmful... or worst of all, something that empowers the 'Devil'.
Clarisse told me in 2008, during a 'reading' that I had requested, that this presently is the sixth incarnation I've had on this Earth in which I've also had the same Soul whom, recently departed, as my mother. Clarisse also said, it won't be the last time either and, that she and I do this as a team when ever, the world is in a bad way and, the s*** is about to hit the proverbial fan. If my mother and I got this lifes mission well enough completed [and I do pray that we have done so, to this present point in time] then maybe the mess won't be so bad. ...but the time of that happening is pert near ...and I mean really near...I guess you don't need a clairvoyant to see that..or as Bob Dylan wrote and sang; "You don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows." [or something like that, I always ***** up lyrics whenever I try to quote them.]...and I am not too optimistic right now that I've done enough or, enough of what I have done to date, adequately...as I just don't see where I've made enough of, or am making much of, an impression.
Keep the faith, Gal. If you believe in God [or a Creator] and or Jesus, there's no reason to stop or to have stopped doing so...and though personally I've never had any confirmation of Yeshua/Jesus assisting me in any way or anyone else for that matter since He left this Earth [sure, I've heard and read stories... and a lot them...]...it doesn't mean that it didn't, doesn't or wont happen for those that do ask for His help....and, in fact, I, unknowingly may have been the recipient of Jesus/Yeshuas' grace. But to be totally honest I've never asked for it [ and not to be confused with asking for "Gods' will to work through the Christ within me.", which I have, but that is something different, and too much for me to try to explain here at the moment.]...although I have prayed to Him to allow me to be of assistance to Him and to His own service to God. As I state in my book, all the assistance that I know of that I have received in the past, came because of the intercession of, his holiness, Sri Rama, whom I did ask of for help in understanding, for knowledge. The one and the same, Rama, that those of the Santana Dharm [Hindus] pray to... and also the Angelic, ...and, as of more recently, I've seen enough evidence to have cause to believe in that which is called the "White Lodge", by many people, known also as the "Great White Brotherhood" to others, and is reputedly comprised of those known as the "Ascended Masters", of whom it is said by many, and I have reasons to believe, that Jesus/Yeshua is also one of and one with.
[not to mention the founder of the particular Order of Sadhan Yoga of India, of which I more recently became a 'protectorate', if not a 'chela' per se, of Sri Prabhu Ram Lal in September, 2007... {by my request and through the intercession of, on my behalf, another yogi, Arihant, of that Order of Sadhan Yoga, whom I met on the internet at the Astrodienst astrology forum} ...whom coincidentally, due to the short biography about Him that I read and what all else, about Him, that I've been informed of, sounds to me as if He himself is one of these Ascended Masters.]
I's really late here and I've still not caught up on the sleep I sorely need. I had planned to write a bit about the third conjunction and what the symbols say to me but that'll have to wait another day or two.
Buenas noches...mi amiga!
ptv

[JUPITERASC]

a visual illustration of how the 'Pentagram of Venus' pattern is tracked in the skies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFDBeTdPKig

[serafin5]

Mi Amigo PTV:

While I admit to much ignorance as I am not as informed as you are I DO absolutely believe in reincarnation. There is a great book I just read called The Shack by last name of Young that I urge you to read. Its an extremely satisfying but not too long a story and very beautiful. You'll love it Dave.

Luv ya
S5

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

a visual illustration of how the 'Pentagram of Venus' pattern is tracked in the skies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFDBeTdPKig

That is a way cool vid... I'm going to be sharing that one..
Good looking out, JUPITERASC...!

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by serafin5

Mi Amigo PTV:

While I admit to much ignorance as I am not as informed as you are I DO absolutely believe in reincarnation. There is a great book I just read called The Shack by last name of Young that I urge you to read. Its an extremely satisfying but not too long a story and very beautiful. You'll love it Dave.

Luv ya
S5

Cool, I'll see if I can find a copy of the work...

[gen6k]

What does the symbology of the Sun and Venus have in eminence to Jesus?

Also what is the status of astrology in regards to 'religion'. Is it a meta-religion if for example Jesus was a pisces archetype in the age of pisces. What is the connection between the ages, and the reoccurence of 888. Since the ages laterally and horizontally through time seem to be differentiating.

What is the overall bigger picture in concern to the "yuga cycle", and the implications of spirit within this trial?

Well my concern is not what came first, but it seems to me that some systems have precendence.

[piercethevale]

Okay now...the third Venus/Sun conjunction in this pentagram matrix occurred on October 28, 2010 @ 6:10 pst [Folsom, Calif.]

...So far, in review, there's been one at the 25th of Leo...my Mid Hanven and Part of Fortune [Yeshua/Jesus' Hermetic Lot of Eros] which is [Rudhyar]:

": A LARGE CAMEL IS SEEN CROSSING A VAST AND FORBIDDING DESERT.
KEYNOTE: Self-sufficiency in the face of a long and exhausting adventure."
...basically meaning that I had to go this without any influences that may have corrupted, contaminated or gave me any prejudicial leanings as to how I got my information, knowledge and understandings so as to be as pure a vessel that I might possibly be.

...the 8th of Aries [ibid.]

"A LARGE WOMAN'S HAT WITH STREAMERS BLOWN BY AN EAST WIND.
KEYNOTE: Protection and spiritual guidance in the development of consciousness...(...the mental processes are still largely undeveloped) thus they need protection from the elemental forces of life...the activity of some more-than-material, and especially psychic, forces. These originated in the East, traditionally the seat of spiritualizing and creative-transforming influences....the nascent powers of the mind are both protected and influenced by energies of a spiritual origin...Under protective guidance a still most receptive person ({symbolized by}a woman) is being influenced by spiritual forces... producing results which require PROTECTIVE FORMS and SENSITIVITY to spiritual energies."

...and I mentioned the 'Sprites'... I only recently, since the encounter, read on a very obscure website that these entities have been known to 'bond' with a person [just one...not in multiples] and that may very well have been so in my case...it's why I've referred to the incident at times as a "Close Encounter of the 4th Kind"...as it was as ''Close" as anything gets, in that it was physical contact...that, and the for the phenomena that occurred on the second visitation...and I know just how weird, as all get out, this sounds and I've debated with myself over sharing such info with others... So for now..maybe forever..that's all I'm going to say about it...I did post some photos of the lil' critters here at the forum awhile back... I never did learn how to post phots directly on the page itself...just the attachment method....and that doesn't produce the size and clarity that the other method does...all the same here's a link to that and the photos..if anyone is at all interested.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=14734

This third conjunction in the 6th degree of Scorpio has this Sabian Symbolism [ibid.]
"THE GOLD RUSH TEARS MEN AWAY FROM THEIR NATIVE SOIL.

KEYNOTE: The passionate search for new values which, at any level, promise a more abundant life.

The greatness of man is that he can always be greater... ...and ever-greater achievements at all levels, spiritual as well as material...."

I wish to bring up the Moons position at the 17th of Cancer in this chart only for the reason that Rudhyar mentions something in his interpretation/definition that has me puzzled...
...and that is...
"THE UNFOLDMENT OF MULTILEVEL POTENTIALITIES ISSUING FROM AN ORIGINAL GERM.

KEYNOTE: The life urge to actualize one's birth potential...
...Germination is the crucifixion of the seed. The seed becomes the germ, just as the Tibetan student meditating silently and peacefully on the Mandala is followed by the Christian Crusader - and, at a materialistic level of productivity, by the engineer-technologist intent upon transforming the globe for the greatest possible enjoyment of the greatest possible number of human beings."

Saturn in this chart, at the 12th of Libra, is conjunct both my Part of Change [Asc.+ Uranus - Pluto] @ 11* Libra 29' and my Part of Innocence [as I call it, others know it as either the Part of Disputes or Lawsuits] @ 11* Libra 03' non-rectified...but 10* Libra 51' rectified.

12* Libra [ibid] "MINERS ARE SURFACING FROM A DEEP COAL MINE.

KEYNOTE: The need to carry on at ever-deeper levels the quest for knowledge which keeps burning the fires of the collective mind of a society."

The vertex is conj. my Part of Love non-rectified ..but I don't want to get into that.

That Parsival asteroid, that I've been including for the heck of it is nearly conj. the Part of Fortune for the USA natal chart...

My Part of Discord [Asc. + + Jupiter - Mars] is 12* Scorpio 18' ...smack dab in the middle between Vesta and Mercury
...and these are the 12th, 13th and 14th degrees of Scorpio and very interesting symbols..anyone interested can look them up....Mercury is particularly interesting.

Mars is conj. my Part of Increa$e and Benefit$ [Asc. + Jupiter - Sun] rectified at 00* Sag. 08'... and non-rectified at 00* Sag. 20'

Jupiter at the 25th of Pisces is just what I was talking about to Serafin in the post above...and in post #6 above.
[ibid.]"A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION SUCCEEDS IN OVERCOMING THE CORRUPTING INFLUENCE OF PERVERTED PRACTICES AND MATERIALIZED IDEALS."

..and that's enough for tonight as it is now pushing 3 am here and I'm wrung out....

The event chart for the third in the series of five Venus/Sun conjunctions that create this Pentagram

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by gen6k

What does the symbology of the Sun and Venus have in eminence to Jesus?

Also what is the status of astrology in regards to 'religion'. Is it a meta-religion if for example Jesus was a pisces archetype in the age of pisces. What is the connection between the ages, and the reoccurence of 888. Since the ages laterally and horizontally through time seem to be differentiating.

What is the overall bigger picture in concern to the "yuga cycle", and the implications of spirit within this trial?

Well my concern is not what came first, but it seems to me that some systems have precendence.

Religion is a man made concept, it has no place in the Cosmos. Spirituality though is a whole 'nother thing, it is the Cosmos...every degree Sabian Symbol is a step in the procession of ones' spiritual evolution...in the 'reverse direction of that which is presently promoted by, so called, 'Traditional Astrology'.
As for the number 888 if written on it in my book at at many astrological forums. Here's a link to one of them: http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=180
888 is an Astrological cycle that I presently have a theory that my be about Sun/Mercury conjunctions...but I've yet to do all the 'legwork'.
The cycles of 666 years and 888 years will always conjunct in one place and one place only...right were they were at the start, the Thera Mundi, every 2664 years. After 10 0f these conjunctions, which is 26,664 years, it is the completion of one 'Yuga' and it also happens to be 108 revolutions of Pluto which will also conj. the two cycles of 666 and 888 years. This always occurs at 01* Libra. This is the sign that an Avatar has been born [or should have been].
Note that 108 is the number of beads on a 'Mala' and that half that amount 54, is the number of beads on the Catholic Rosary.

[piercethevale]

I've had a long day and never got around to writing more on this subject.
I'm going to post the event charts for the last two conjunctions in this series...[out of courtesy to you members that have an interest in this]...and come back another day to give my observations, comments and any opinions I may have...after I have done so I will delete these last two posts and attach these charts to those new posts.
Thank you all for your interest...
ptv


...This latest event took place on the 16th of Gemini
[ibid]
"A WOMAN ACTIVIST IN AN EMOTIONAL SPEECH DRAMATIZING HER CAUSE.

KEYNOTE: A passionate response to a deeply felt new experience.

What has been "discovered" not only needs to be discussed and tested through an intellectual exchange which permits its formulation, it also demands "exteriorization." This implies the act of dealing with those who are still unaware of the new knowledge or realization. A public is needed, and it has to be convinced; its inertial resistance to change has to be overcome. This usually requires an emotional dramatization of the issues at stake. Here again, as at the very start of the cycle (Aries 1°), a woman is depicted, which means a person depending upon feelings and fiery images to sway the receptive public.

[at this stage] in the cyclic process... ...what is at stake is a process of communication of new experiences. The mind is called upon to perform its work, but what comes first is the action of that mind which is...moved and which attempts to move other minds... the PROSELYTIZING MIND."

...and so it is and I am...


The event chart for the fourth in the series of five Venus/Sun conjunctions that create this Pentagram

[piercethevale]

...and the concluding event chart.
It hasn't taken place yet as it won't happen until January, 2014.
The event will occur at the 22nd of Capricorn...
note the positions of Mars and the North Node as to what I've previously posted...and that the lil' boulder, Parsival is conj. my natal Part of Imprisonment... Maybe that will be the time I can 'Get the Team' together and be able to join it...or an existing one...? [...but, again, I don't subscribe to the influence of asteroids...not yet anyways.]



The event chart for the fifth in the series of five Venus/Sun conjunctions that create and is the conclusion of this Pentagram.

[piercethevale]

I found this article on the conjunctions today, it is rather interesting and solved the question I had about how this could be a 1200 year cycle. It also gives me some insight on the differences between the inferior and superior conjunctions.

It is from the website of Danish astrologers, currently of the U.K., Adrian Ross Duncan and Charlotte Duncan Bertelsen
http://wow.world-of-wisdom.com/04_ar...3/07_venus.htm

[piercethevale]

Well, as I spent the day [hours and hours] reviewing things connected with the Venus/Sun conjunctions [which spun off into further work concerning the 'Saros' cycle...which is a of matter to do with my chart on Yeshua/Jesus...and for which I spent many more hours]... I also got into my brothers natal chart as it came to my attention that his M.C. is involved in part with this sequence that involves mine...and is wholly part one involving Him.

Here's an excerpt of what info I e-mailed Him.
...as follows...

I considered the possibility that if your birth time was rounded up to the nearest minute that your M.C. [given a reduction of 45 seconds in time as I tinkered with mine] that it would be 17* Gemini 57' , although it also changes your Asc. to the 19th degree of Virgo from the 20th...all other House cusps remain in their same degrees as far as the Sabians are concerned.

Regardless of which is your true M.C...
The ideal perfect pentagram to your present birth chart M.C. at 18* Gemini 11' follows with 06* Aries 11', 24* Cap. 11', 12* Scorpio 11' and 00* Virgo 11' ...rectified, subtract everything by the same amount indicated by the rectification to the M.C.

The inferior conjunctions are as follows, beginning with the event on your M.C. on

6/8/2004 @ 17* Gemini 53'...followed by
1/13/2006 @ 23* Cap 40', [apprx. as I haven't cast a chart...close enough for Sabians]
8/18/2007 @ 24* Leo 15',
3/27/2009 @ 07* Aries 15',
10/29/2010 @ 05* Scorpio 29', [your cycle terminates]
6/16/2012 @ 15 Gemini 44' [apprx. but close enough for Sabian interpretation]
1/11/2014 @ 21* Capricorn 01' [my cycle terminates]
...and beyond...
8/15/2015 @ 22* Leo 39' [apprx.]
3/25/2017 @ 04* Aries 57' [apprx.]
10/26/2018 @ 03* Scorpio 04' [apprx]

The Superior conjunctions are as follows:
[the one that occurred before the event on your M.C. occurred on 10/27/2006 @ 04* Scorpio 05' ...I only mention it because I had noticed it to be conjunct my, what is known as, the Part of Accomplishment, also known as the Part of Histories & Science {Asc. + Sun - Jupiter ...opposite the formula for the Part of Increa$e and Benefit$}]

[these are all apprx. as I haven't cast the charts yet but be assured they are close enough for Sabian interpretation..]
6/5/2008 @ 18* Gemini 42'
1/12/2010 @ 19* Capricorn 19'
9/16/2011 @ 23* Leo 47'
3/28/2013 @ 07* Aries 57'
10/25/2014 @ 01 Scorpio 45' [your cycle terminates]
6/6/2016 @ 16* Gemini 39'
1/19/2018 @ 18* Capricorn 45' [termination of my cycle]

I haven't figured out what the significance of the difference of the two cycles is yet. But as only Venus and Mercury out of all the Planets make inferior conjunctions I have a hunch that it must be something special. I've thought about the fact that only Merc. and Venus lie between us and the Sun and all others outside of this ...giving me rise to speculate that it represents all that God affects us through via Planetary influence is via the mind and the heart [love]...as all the other Planets represent energies that we create ourselves ...or what forces we manipulate as according to our free will...as if it implies that God does communicate to [and is concerned about] our minds and our hearts but leaves all else..as to the outside, so to speak....like when one is in their parents' house they are expected to think and speak reverently and show appreciative love/respect/courtesy/refinement...but upon leaving their home you can pursue your sports, sexual drive, aggressive nature [Mars] , material gain, philosophy, etc. [Jupiter] and so on.
So I seem to think that the inferior conj. is going to represent something to do between ones self and God and the superior conj. between oneself and the outside world... but both are being caused by the creator anyways...maybe it's that, as one of the cycles you have more of your free will over and the other is more influenced [or God is trying to influence it]...As your own M.C. has so ...ahem... coincidentally occurred just prior to my own, I was hopping that you might get a chance to reflect on all this and possibly give some opinion-insight-revelation [if anyone could be so lucky...lucky for for everyone if you do [or I do...or anyone does for that matter]

Now here's the 'Slap-in-the-head' revelation I got earlier this eve...All five points on your pentagram are inconjunct to a one of the five on mine. That is two Pentagrams...inconjunct to one another...not based by Mid-Havens but rather just strictly by the degrees of the Zodiac. ...go figure...
...example I got the 25th of Leo ..you got the 25th of Cap, You got the 19th of Gemini... I got the 19th of Capricorn ...and on and on...

the other thing I wanted to point out is that the 8th of Aries comes up in both cycles, thus the only degree to repeat and Sabian to repeat... you know the one...the one about protection and guidance from Spiritual sources and entities." I figure I got mine in the form of 'Sprites' and being accepted as a protectorate of the Sadhan Order of Yoga back in 2008..as that is what I requested being accepted into their order for...and I found out only very recently that the mantra I was given is for exactly that... not one of the usual chela-identifies with the-guru kind of mantra that a disciple is given but one specifically used to invoke protect from evil or harm of other origins.
[well...some of us need more assistance than others... sometimes I need a kick in the *** too...but that's another deal...]

...end of e-mail...
ptv


ps...for any of you that have been following my comments on my recently awareness of an asteroid named "Parsival" and the observations to date of mine concerning it...just "On a Lark", for amusement... I found that it was nearly perfectly conjunct my brothers natal Sun on his natal chart by less than 2' of a degree...
...I don't whether to be more fascinated or more annoyed by it...:unsu re:

[piercethevale]

Wow... I almost made a vid instead of writing as my mind is making so much headway in so many things today because of this...
It was the fact that my brothers' natal M.C. came up also in one of the overlapping sequences in which by using each of our Mid Havens and then constructing a perfect matrix for it that these matrices come up in-conjunct all around at every point.
Based on what I have so far it seems to be and endless pattern of each inferior conjunction is followed by a superior conjunction that when perfect matrices of pentagrams are constructed for both they are thus inconjunct to one another...
Folks... I believe we may have discovered a new axiom!

...as the superior conjunction on 6/5/2008 at 18* Gemini 42' that followed the inferior one on 8/18/2007 at 24* Leo 15' and thus created a perfectly inconjunct pentagram to the one before it a little less than 10 mos. prior was followed by an inferior conjunction a little less than 10 mos. later by an inferior conjunction on 3/27/09 at 07* Aries 15' which in turn was followed less than 10 mos later on 1/12/2010 by a superior conjunction at 19* Capricorn 19'....


...wow...

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by piercethevale

Wow... I almost made a vid instead of writing as the mind is making some headway in some many things today because of this. It was the fact that my brothers' natal M.C. came up also in one of the overlapping sequences in which by using each of our Mid Havens and then constructing a perfect matrix for it that these matrices come up in-conjunct all around at every point. Based on what I have so far it seems to be and endless pattern of each inferior conjunction is followed by a superior conjunction that when perfect matrices of pentagrams are constructed for both they are thus inconjunct to one another...
Folks...I believe we have discovered a new axiom!

...as the superior conjunction on 6/5/2008 at 18* Gemini 42' that followed the inferior one on 8/18/2007 at 24* Leo 15' and thus created a perfectly inconjunct pentagram to the one before it a little less than 10 mos. prior was followed by an inferior conjunction a little less than 10 mos. later by an inferior conjunction on 3/27/09 at 07* Aries 15' which in turn was followed less than 10 mos later on 1/12/2010 by a superior conjunction at 19* Capricorn 19'.... ....wow...

Venus is the most reliable planetary timer - the Mayan calendar is based on the orbit of Venus and/or Pentagram of Venus. I have researched the subject for a few years now - always rewarding! Here's a link to an interesting page http://www.mikecrowson.co.uk/pentagram.html

[piercethevale]

Okay...now picture this. over lay the two pentagram matrices and this is what you have between points going around ...say from Aries 0* to Gemini 12*, to Gemini 18*, to Leo 24* ,to Virgo 0*, to to Scorpio 6*, to Scorpio 12*, to Capricorn 18*, to Capricorn 24*, and back to Aries 0*.

The pattern is 6* followed by 66*...all around the circle...
6 66?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQLtMaJLvs

[piercethevale]

...ain't it FUNNY how time slips away...

NOT...!!!

...especially when it keeps falling between the cracks...
[there's a contingent here among you that knows dang well what I'm talking about...]

[piercethevale]

...just want to mention that back in March when I talked to my clairvoyant friend and spiritual confidante, Clarisse Conner, about the 10 point matrix and the double Pentagram within it and she helped me with the understanding of the M.C. and all in how it is all related to it...

...She finished the conversation by telling me to "watch for a development on this coming June 28th."

That was today...and so it was...

She is an amazing woman that I feel quite blessed to know.

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

Venus is the most reliable planetary timer - the Mayan calendar is based on the orbit of Venus and/or Pentagram of Venus. I have researched the subject for a few years now - always rewarding! Here's a link to an interesting page http://www.mikecrowson.co.uk/pentagram.html

Cool... you may have noticed a post or two where-in I had anticipated finding out that Mercury was indeed creating a 'Magen David' or 'Grand Semi-Sextile' in its' conjs. with the Sun.

I've actually been spending the greatest bulk of my time these last couple of weeks researching info and developing some theories about the 'Saros'... and I've mentioned that in a couple of threads also.

I wish you had shared this a tad sooner, though...would've be a 'leg up' at one point...
Thnxs... ptv 'Staay Tuned'