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#101
12-01-2011, 12:43 PM
 giacinto Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Greece Posts: 333
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

i am interesting of this!!magic ball
my question is will he come back to see me?however,i had made this question in horaryyy 3 weeks ago and the answer is yes.is it matter??/

we use whole signs system not regiomontanus??

first, determine the house signifying the question {must be only 1 house}; who??he?mars or his 9th trip moon??

- second, find the sign on the cusp (or sensitive degree) of that house;
he is mars in virgo sign...:/ right? and his trip moon aquarius
-third, what planet (of the traditional 7 planets) rules that sign?
virgo=mercury aquarius=saturn :/ :/

mercury is yes and saturn is no.....i am right?but i haven't find the house of question..
could you help me to understand how it's work....)
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#102
12-02-2011, 02:39 AM
 dr. farr Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: los angeles california Posts: 8,809
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

Since you already asked and got an answer to this question, asking again (this early) would not be appropriate (according to horary considerations)

However, to illustrate how to use the very simple Magic 8 Ball method:

-you would select ONE house to signify the answer to the question
-in this example,
a) HE is the subject of your question, therefore HE = the 7th whole sign house
b) HIS returning to see you (a long distance trip), so HIS TRIP would be the 9th whole sign house counted from the 7th
c) so, your ONE signifying house to give you the answer in this example would be the 9th house from the 7th, which in this chart is under the sign of Cancer
d) so Cancer gives the answer: we look at the 8 Ball rules, and, knowing that the Moon governs Cancer, we find that the 8 Ball answer here is "maybe"
...however, this example is provided only to illustrate how to use the 8 Ball method in divination; since you already asked this question recently and got a yes answer, it is not valid to re-ask this soon (so the 8 Ball "maybe" answer is not valid)
#103
12-02-2011, 09:04 AM
 giacinto Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Greece Posts: 333
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

ooh thanks your reply..now i understand!!!it is easy not like horary..)
#104
12-02-2011, 01:43 PM
 giacinto Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Greece Posts: 333
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

but if i ask questions for him like does he love me or thinking me i will look for 7th house his house right??and for south node.... if the house question ruled by sagittarius so jupiter who means yes and inside found south mode is always noooo?

ok i reading that feelings is ruledby 5th from 7th...

if would ask if we will marry i 'll look the 7th and 1th sign?

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#105
12-03-2011, 09:19 PM
 Sun Scor Moon Aqu Asc Vir Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: UK Posts: 180
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

Correct me if I am wrong here please (Merc RX currently and all that ... which rules my chart natally )) not fun with Mars in Virgo to boot

As I understand it ? Ancients were less focused upon houses IF at all than the `SIGNS`Planets were posited in .. relying therefore upon the `Lots` intuitively.

The Arabic Part/Lots of Victory posted previously have revolved between houses 5 and 3 exclusively which bewildered me somewhat ... ie house 3 ?

There must exist an esoteric explanation which evades me currently ... why third houses Aries/Gemini etc are pertinent here .... but I accept they must be .....

Two more charts correct today maintains the 100% accuracy ....
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#106
06-23-2012, 03:14 AM
 Teb Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Big "D" Posts: 426
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

My question is will a see an ex boyfriend again. using magic 8 the answer is yes. traditionally the answer would be no, i think. Help me out.

It is a 5th house matter which is in gemini the ruler is mercury. Mercury is in 7th right next to me the moon. I am the questioner so I am Saturn he is either mercury and moon and sun. gheez I am not sure. but mer and sat are square

I didn't put a "by date" in this horary question.
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#107
06-23-2012, 03:50 AM
 dr. farr Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: los angeles california Posts: 8,809
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

I would certainly have selected the 7th house as primary quesited (ie, anything connected with the "other person", with whom a relationship is existing or has existed in the past)
Using whole sign, the 7th (primary quesited) house is under Cancer which = the Moon which = a "maybe" answer, according to the 8 Ball rules as elaborated in this thread.

As you known, using the Magic 8 Ball divination method does NOT take into account relationships of significators, or other considerations which are found in HORARY (remember the Magic 8 Ball divination is not standard horary!!)
#108
09-14-2012, 08:19 AM
 Cascada Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: UK Posts: 370
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

Hey dr. farr, I had a couple of questions regarding this

What if there's more than one house that represent the particular question?

For example:
A question like "will I achieve my dream?" would it go to the 10th house of goals/ambitions or the 12th of dreams?
Socializing/friend or acquaintances questions- 3rd or 11th?
Studying- 3rd or 9th? I guess this one depends what it is, right? Higher education would go to 9th, then studying in general would be the 3rd?
Speaking questions (using the voice questions- I can't think of an example for this)- 2nd (rules voice) or 3rd for communications?

You mentioned that if you're asking about someone else, then it goes to the 7th (or was it 5th? sorry memory just went blank ) but what if it's a question like "are so and so going to die?" would it then go to the 8th house?

Sorry for bombarding you with questions
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#109
09-17-2012, 07:36 AM
 dr. farr Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: los angeles california Posts: 8,809
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

Quote:
Hope the above answers your questions about the 8 Ball method; remember it is just for yes/no questions, and does not have the full and rich detail found in actual horary-but the 8 Ball works very well for straight yes/no questions.
#110
09-17-2012, 12:11 PM
 Cascada Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: UK Posts: 370
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

Quote:
 Originally Posted by dr. farr Hope the above answers your questions about the 8 Ball method; remember it is just for yes/no questions, and does not have the full and rich detail found in actual horary-but the 8 Ball works very well for straight yes/no questions.
Thank you
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#111
09-30-2012, 01:02 PM
 Cascada Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: UK Posts: 370
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

What about singing? 5th house of performing arts, 2nd house of voice or 3rd house of communications?
#112
09-30-2012, 05:14 PM
 DreamingTheSeas Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: I want to see the Northern Lights Posts: 373
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

For example in the question : Do i have a disease which house to count? The Ascendant as it is my physical body? Or the 6th which is related to health and illness?
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#113
10-01-2012, 06:03 AM
 dr. farr Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: los angeles california Posts: 8,809
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

Singing = 5th house, but success through singing = Lot of Success OR 10th house

Illness-6th house (serious chronic illness, 12th house) OR the house appropriate to a particular organ or tissue system/organ system involved; also the Lot of Chronic Illness, or of Acute Illness, or of Debilitated Bodies, or of Accident/Injury, might be the most specific in which case the place of the Lot is used as primary signifying quesited house, in the 8 Ball divination.

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#114
10-10-2012, 01:16 AM
 Teb Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Big "D" Posts: 426
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

is my boyfriend going back to his ex wife is the question is this a 7th house matter?
#115
10-10-2012, 04:18 AM
 dr. farr Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: los angeles california Posts: 8,809
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

In my opinion, it would be a 7th house question using the 8 Ball divination.
#116
10-10-2012, 10:12 PM
 mossadrai Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 58
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

Can we use derivatives? So maybe it would be 7th from 7th, or 5th from 7th. Some say the ex (when out of your life) is 12... so 12th of 7th.
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#117
10-11-2012, 04:02 AM
 dr. farr Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: los angeles california Posts: 8,809
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

Absolutely yes-regular horary methods for determining the quesited house can be used in the 8 Ball method: the ONLY special requirement of the 8 Ball divination is that ONLY 1 FINAL PRIMARY QUESITED HOUSE is to be used to determine the yes/no answer. HOW that single primary quesited house is finally settled upon, can be as the result of regular (standard/traditional) horary methodology, certainly including derivative houses!
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#118
12-04-2012, 04:35 PM
 Seasoul Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 123
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

I'd like to contribute a horary to test the Magic 8 Ball Method, and I will update within a month, as that was the time frame of the question.

Question: will I move to a house I am happy with within 1 month?

I assume the 4th house for the home?

If so, 4th = Libra = Venus = *yes*.

Chart attached below, and I will update by 4th Jan.
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#119
04-05-2013, 01:20 AM
 Winterborn Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Somewhere between Saturn and Uranus Posts: 35
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

Quote:
 Answer to the horary question is according to the following criteria: +If Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter is the planet ruling that sign, this = a "yes" answer (or a positive/benefic answer) to the question + If Mars or Saturn is the planet ruling that sign, this = a "no" answer (or a negative/malefic answer) to the question

Just to be certain I understand ... malefics give negative answers, but if you ask a question you want a negative answer to, such as "Will the cancer come back?", then the malefic ruler is actually a good thing, right?

I'm impressed by how accurate this method seems to be (reading through the thread). I have checked it against a couple of horary charts I've been working on and it gives me the same answer I came up with ... time will tell if the Magic 8 ball and I are right. I will post the answers when I find out.
#120
04-05-2013, 03:54 AM
 dr. farr Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: los angeles california Posts: 8,809
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

[QUOTE=Winterborn;464897]Just to be certain I understand ... malefics give negative answers, but if you ask a question you want a negative answer to, such as "Will the cancer come back?", then the malefic ruler is actually a good thing right/QUOTE]

Yes: remember that in this method, no interpretation is used (which is quite different than in horary) It is a direct, "mechanical" yes or no answer. Mars, Saturn (as rulers of their respective signs) always equal a "NO", and the SN also (in any sign that is quesited signifying sign) = "NO", regardless of the "quality" of the question (as in your example, above)
The "YES" or "NO" answer, with the Magic 8 Ball divination, does NOT mean or IMPLY "good" or "bad", etc: it is a "straight" answer to the specific yes or no question; another example, say the question is "Will I get fired over the next 6 weeks?" A "yes" answer would be a "bad" thing, however say the quesited signifying sign = Sagittarius: this = Jupiter, which = a "YES" (you will get fired) answer to this question (even though such a "yes" answer is a "bad thing" for the querent) So in the Magic 8 Ball method, its always a straight (non interpretive) YES or NO to the specific question (unless of course Cancer = Moon comes up as the quesited signifying sign, which would be a "MAYBE" answer to the question)
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#121
04-05-2013, 03:00 PM
 Winterborn Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Somewhere between Saturn and Uranus Posts: 35
Re: Magic 8 ball technique

Thanks very much, dr. farr! It was probably obvious to everybody else, but I just had to make sure.

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