Can anything be read from this chart?

[Jonabay]

[IleneK]

Originally Posted by Jonabay

Can anything be read from this chart?

Well, sure. What's on your mind?

[Jonabay]

Originally Posted by IleneK

Well, sure. What's on your mind?

Well, I'm mainly concerned about the aspects between the Sun, Moon, and Neptune involving the 1st, 5th, and 11th house.
I have read that Moon opposite Neptune involving the 5th & 11th is indicative of neurosis. This chart has it. And I'm guessing the Sun Square Moon & the Sun Square Neptune aspects with the Sun in the 1st house surely can't help. If anything it probably makes it 10x more severe. I'm assuming, but haven't been able to get any interpretations.

[IleneK]

Originally Posted by Jonabay

Well, I'm mainly concerned about the aspects between the Sun, Moon, and Neptune involving the 1st, 5th, and 11th house.
I have read that Moon opposite Neptune involving the 5th & 11th is indicative of neurosis. This chart has it. And I'm guessing the Sun Square Moon & the Sun Square Neptune aspects with the Sun in the 1st house surely can't help. If anything it probably makes it 10x more severe. I'm assuming, but haven't been able to get any interpretations.

It seems the horoscope has expired. Perhaps you could reestablish it, or upload one?

[Judy_AzVirgo]

Even without seeing the chart, you're describing a T-square... please activate the chart so we can see.

Originally Posted by Jonabay

I have read that Moon opposite Neptune involving the 5th & 11th is indicative of neurosis.

I'd be interested to know where you read this. Not to criticize, but I've just not seen this opposition described as neurotic. Maybe 'neurotic' in this sense means 'delusional'? In any event, it's a highly charged term, and personally I don't think I'd use it, since I have no degree in psychology. Has the subject told you that he/she is 'neurotic'?

[Jonabay]

Originally Posted by IleneK

It seems the horoscope has expired. Perhaps you could reestablish it, or upload one?

Astro keeps doing that for some reason >.<
Now I've just uploaded the image from photobucket.

Originally Posted by Judy_AzVirgo

I'd be interested to know where you read this. Not to criticize, but I've just not seen this opposition described as neurotic. Maybe 'neurotic' in this sense means 'delusional'? In any event, it's a highly charged term, and personally I don't think I'd use it, since I have no degree in psychology. Has the subject told you that he/she is 'neurotic'?

I've read it here: http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Moon_in_the_fifth_house
I suppose if it wasn't mental illness, it could just mean delusion. But I'd be concerned about it's involvement in the 1st & 11th house. Since those houses represent the sense of self/ego and how you relate to others. But no, I don't think anybody would describe themselves as 'neurotic', even if they were.

[Judy_AzVirgo]

OK, I read the description on this website. I think it's off-center and a bit extreme, since it focuses mostly on sex. Try reading some other info -- cafeastrology.com usually has good, if brief, descriptions.

[Judy_AzVirgo]

Just quickly, focusing on the T-square... and I don't know if this is a girl or boy.

Any T-square carries a lot of energy and tension, and is not very stable in early life. It does command attention, and I think the Cardinal signs are more forceful in urging a person to deal with it and work it out. In youth, the energies can be unfocused and scattered, and there's a real need to learn to focus.

Sun apex in Aries in the First house, plus Moon in the 5th, indicates that this T-square is about personal expression, a sort of identity crisis. So "Who am I?" is an important question for this teenager. I suspect she feels that her self-identity is threatened in some way, or she just isn't sure who she is yet. At her age, she might be trying on different personalities, like trying on different clothes at a store. The Moon could obviously represent the mother, and maybe this teenager has a hard time differentiating from her Mom. Neptune opposite could represent the father, so the parental influence is certainly worth investigating, especially as it affects the child's ability to establish herself.

The Moon-Neptune opposition can be defined as an inability to establish clear 'boundaries' between individuals, so what sometimes happens is that the person invades other people's space, AND there's a fear of losing oneself. Maybe it's too easy for her to see both sides of her opposition.... her own feelings and her own self-expression, vs. those of her friends and age cohort -- who are likely to be very influential to her.

This opposition is often intuitive, even psychic (with psychic experiences, you DO sort of lose yourself); this can be the case with Pisces rising, also. So the combination of Pisces rising and the Moon opposition involving the Ascendant ruler can be hugely intuitive.

And yes, Moon-Neptune can be delusional, but I think it usually just indicates a vivid, active fantasy life of imagination. There's a tendency to withdraw from the world and live in the imagination when things get tough. (Again, sometimes true of Pisces rising, as well.) Some other words I would associate with this opposition are loneliness, depression, feeling victimized .... but that is at the extreme end.

It's a challenge to get these planets to work together -- and we're talking about a teenager here. So probably conflict, impatience, rebellion. There's a steep learning curve with a T-square, but many highly successful people have them. My favorite word for the T is 'dynamic', and after grappling with it, I think there's a sense of having mastered the Self, so eventually the tension of the T-square becomes a personal strength.

Eventually, a loving, supportive relationship is going to help her find herself, and she'll realize that she doesn't have to give up her own identity within the partnership; she can be an equal partner, without being overbearing or being just a reflection of somebody else. When she realizes that, she'll be ready to rock.

I'd be concerned about Saturn conjunct the Pisces Ascendant, as a sort of tangent to the T-square, because so often there's an issue of reality vs idealism, and a difficult time harnessing one's energies. There seems to be a disillusioned and rather brittle energy to people I've known who have this.

She also lacks much 'grounding' from Earth energy.... Neptune in Capricorn hardly even qualifies as Earth, IMO. Maybe Saturn at the Ascendant will eventually give her some stability.

Her Grand Fire Trine (also involving the Sun) may offer her some self-protection against the vagaries of the T-square and the Saturn influence.



(Maybe I should add here that I have natal Moon at 5th/6th cusp opposite Neptune just into the 12th. No square involved. But what I described about the opposition is largely based on my own experiences with it. Trying to recall what I was like at 17!)