Midheaven in Libra

Yennefer · #1 10-14-2010, 06:46 PM

So, as Venus as a ruler of Libra is now retrogade in Scorpio, it might be just the right time to think about our vocation and review the ways of expressing ourselves through our career and how does that fit into our life.

I think it will be interesting to hear from you how do you express yourself with MC in Libra and how this is modified by the sign, position and aspects of Venus. Planets conjuncting MC and in the 10 house play their role too.

Here is what I posted on Neptune Rising´s vocational thread (to be found here: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...731#post240731 )

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In my case, I studied international relations and sociology and decided not to finish my studies as I wasn´t really in tune with this academic world - seemed like my visionary and intuitive thinking (Mercury in Pisces) wasn´t much appreciated there and over time, it just all seemed too shallow. So I interrupted my studies and don´t regret it. Then I was looking for work, I had quite good English so was translating for a while but then became recruitment consultant (MC - career, Libra - counselling) which I enjoyed very much and it gave me some space to express myself in my own unique way. Currently I am on maternity leave but thinking about my future career quite a lot as well. I also kind of do not want to return to this business world as it seeems cold and I am not able to relate to that BUT with my Saturn/Pluto on MC, I of course really need to have some influence/power. So confused as well and I try to find out how could i incorporate my hobbies (astrology, tarot, energy healing, also colours, feng shui etc.) into my future career path. The only thing I know is that I want to meet different people, I need to work independently and I just want to make other people´s lives more harmonious (MC in Libra:-)), to empower them, to help them understand themselves more so they can do better choices.

My MC ruler Venus is in Aquarius in the 2nd house, trine Saturn, MC, Pluto and Mars (though Mars trine is questionable, it is quite wide). Venus also squares Chiron in Taurus in 5th house, sextiles ASC and BML in Sagittarius. Also inconjunct NN in Cancer/7th house.

As R4ven stated on Neptune Rising´s thread, Venus in 2nd in Aqua is about how you

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express yourself in an original and personal way, and this needs to be a way in which you remain true to your own values.

I found this to be very true for me.

Recently I found informative article on MC in Libra which I can relate to very well: http://janetboyer.com/Midheaven_in_Libra.html

So, how are YOU expressing your Libra MC?

R4VEN · #2 10-15-2010, 08:31 AM

Good post, Yennefer. I have just finished replying to Marri (in this section) who also has MC in Libra.

My `career' days are probably behind me, but I was a career teacher, and I taught junior secondary Maths and Science. I was forever devising ways of making maths fun, especially for young people who found it boring (where I'd always found it to be exciting

) Later, during my Uranus opposition I gained a counselling qualification, as I'd been counselling others since the age of 14, so I thought a formal qualification would not go astray.

In later years I have been combining counselling with astrology. I put this down to my MC ruler being conjunct Uranus, both in the 6th. As far as the 6th house is concerned I have tended to do work which has a `service' underpinning to it.

With Uranus-Venus conjunct, and Uranus ruling my 2nd house, I have often worked for very little pay, other than the recognition of those I have `helped'.

The Uranus influence also led me to being easily bored, and requiring constant change in my career, or in the way in which I have done it. I have often re-invented myself along the way, and I guess am still doing this.

The Libra influence for me is about communication - generally using words. I can be very, very wordy. (My Leo Mercury also quintiles my MC; I used to be very dramatic and entertaining as a classroom teacher.)

Yennefer · #3 10-15-2010, 01:39 PM

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The Uranus influence also led me to being easily bored, and requiring constant change in my career, or in the way in which I have done it. I have often re-invented myself along the way, and I guess am still doing this.

The Libra influence for me is about communication - generally using words. I can be very, very wordy. (My Leo Mercury also quintiles my MC; I used to be very dramatic and entertaining as a classroom teacher.)

Ah, I know this, Uranus is ruling my Venus/2nd house and I always need to change way of working when things seem to be too stable (= dull and boring

, although I suspect there could be Aries Sun and Moon involved as well). I need to be progressive, it makes me happy (Uranus again, conjunct Pars Fortuna).
As for re-inventing myself, I relate to that, maybe in a bit different way having more to do with Pluto on MC - die and be reborn

, that means I usually don´t change just some details of my working style or something like that but smash it all from the table and start anew.

Mercury in Leo I noticed this placement in several teachers, for example my friend who is a scientist and regularly gives public lectures on scientific topics, trying to popularize science, also among children. (He has Mercury in 5th house).

For me, MC in Libra is of course communicating because it is about relating to people. I once read that any sign happens to be on MC, just put the word "professional" before it so in this case, one should aspire to be "professional Libra", promoting balance, objectivity, fair play etc. and beware negative tendencies such as being indecisive or trying to please everyone at all cost.

R4VEN · #4 10-16-2010, 04:16 AM

Looks like this may be a conversation of two - that would be a pity, since I find Libra MC fascinating, but it has also been difficult for me to grasp (and that would be the Neptune-Mars conjunction close to the MC.)

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As for re-inventing myself, I relate to that, maybe in a bit different way having more to do with Pluto on MC - die and be reborn

, that means I usually don´t change just some details of my working style or something like that but smash it all from the table and start anew.

You're right, Yennefer.
In retrospect, I believe my desire for re-invention emanates from my Sun-Pluto conjunction in the 7th.

For instance, in my 30's I left my marriage and decided to have a go at sales. I was suited to it - especially the Mars-Neptune conjunction in Libra, which allowed me to easily `read' others - but I found it really, really boring! I had to change jobs every 6-12 months or go out of my mind. I think that the boredom-factor is Uranus being conjunct my MC-ruler.

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For me, MC in Libra is of course communicating because it is about relating to people. I once read that any sign happens to be on MC, just put the word "professional" before it so in this case, one should aspire to be "professional Libra", promoting balance, objectivity, fair play etc. and beware negative tendencies such as being indecisive or trying to please everyone at all cost.

That's very well put!

The trouble being that being a `professional Libran' can mean becming a professional doormat/people-pleaser.
Early in my first year teaching, I was teaching in a country town at a school for kids from ages 5-17. I'd already indicated my interest in teaching music/singing to the secondary students (aged 12-17, about 80 in number). The school principal fancied himself a singer, and asked me to join him taking the whole secondary student body for singing on Friday afternoons. After around 3 weeks I found myself taking the kids on my own, and some of the older boys tried me out big time. I'd kick them out of the hall, then they'd systematically kick a football against the outside wall of the building. After around 3 weeks of this, I went to the principal at the end of the week and refused to continue this if I was to be left on my own, saying that I felt I was being used. Now, I was only 20, and he was around 45. Had I had a camera with me as I spoke to him I may have been able to capture his expression - embarrassment, surprise, evidence of attempts to think quickly!!

It was only around 2 years later that I looked back on this and recognised how risky my `rebellion' was, since I was still under probation, and I was relying on a good report from this man in order to continue in the job. Looking back on it now with astrology in mind I believe it was Uranus which led my rebellion, but the Libra MC sensed injustice and it was not amused! I also believe my Leo Mercury allowed me to think effectively on my feet, where the principal was struck almost mute! [I have no idea of his astrology. He died in 2009.]

Neptune Rising · #5 10-16-2010, 06:19 PM

I find it interesting that Venus in Libra is associate with counselling, and both of you have pursued that path. I studied psychology and counselling skills for two years, just below university leve at an adult collegel. Did really well in them too but didn't carry on to university. My Sag ascendant wanted to travel and freedom too much to conform to three more years of study.

In all of my interests though, yoga, meditation and astrology, I try and find a way to use my knowledge to help people, and I'm trying to move these interests into a career of some sort. I do feel somehow that it's part of my purpose to add balance to society. I also love photography, taking pictures of transquility, nature, things like that. Art was an interest and hobby when I was younger and had more time for it.

NR

ImNotThere9 · #6 10-16-2010, 08:18 PM

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Teb · #7 10-17-2010, 03:20 PM

I also have libra in the midheaven and mercury in the 7th leo. However I have chiron at 0* aries in the 3rd. wounded communication. As a child I wanted to become a teacher but never pursued it, was a sub for a few days and loved it. Now I've worked in administrative jobs forever and now I am having a tuff time, maybe it is the saturn, mercury transit.

Yennefer · #8 10-17-2010, 07:26 PM

Hi Teb,
would you mind posting your chart here? It is also important where is Venus as MC ruler, aspects she makes etc.

Yennefer · #9 10-17-2010, 07:40 PM

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For instance, in my 30's I left my marriage and decided to have a go at sales. I was suited to it - especially the Mars-Neptune conjunction in Libra, which allowed me to easily `read' others - but I found it really, really boring! I had to change jobs every 6-12 months or go out of my mind. I think that the boredom-factor is Uranus being conjunct my MC-ruler.

This is interesting. What, in your opinion, made you suited for sales, apart from ability to read people? I am asking because part of my job includes sales and I just don´t like it at all. Or to be more precise, I like meeting other people and having a nice, harmonious, balanced conversation - I just don´t feel good trying to sell them our services and feel anxious.
I sometimes can be mislead by Neptune/ASC tuning into them and forgetting I am here to sell!

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The trouble being that being a `professional Libran' can mean becming a professional doormat/people-pleaser.

I see but do not think that would happen to me often. I of course try to find a working solution to any problem others may have but sense any injustice and attempts to use me in any way, immediately.
This is Libra MC but also Aries Sun and Moon - I am my own boss!! This also applies when dealing with authority figures, I am equal to them and can trust them only as long as they don´try to misuse power.

R4VEN · #10 10-18-2010, 02:59 AM

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This is interesting. What, in your opinion, made you suited for sales, apart from ability to read people? I am asking because part of my job includes sales and I just don´t like it at all. Or to be more precise, I like meeting other people and having a nice, harmonious, balanced conversation - I just don´t feel good trying to sell them our services and feel anxious.
I sometimes can be mislead by Neptune/ASC tuning into them and forgetting I am here to sell!

As I `read' and understand Libra, it is a natural energy for sales. I know - and have known - a number of people who have worked for a long times in sales, and these tend to be those with strong Libra in their charts - usually Sun or ASC, and well-aspected. It is the following factors, I believe:

being able to talk easily, and listen well
being able to put others at ease
creating a safe and balanced environment with another
finding the angle from which to sell something seems to be a Libra characteristic

Gemini is also quite suited to sales, but perhaps does not have the level of empathy/connection with the other person.

The main characteristic for successful sales IMO is in believing the value and `rightness' of what you are selling. This is what usually led me to my inevitable stumbling block in all my sales jobs. I'd look at what I was selling and wonder why I was spending so much energy selling something I didn't think all that important in the Grand Scheme Of Things. When I reached this stage it was always time for me to move on. Libra energy in its purest form can be excellent for sales, but it also can talk us out of selling, due to that balance/justice thing.

Having said all that, I now consider my time as a salesperson to have been very valuable. Most of us have to sell something sometime in our lives. Every time we have a job interview we're in a situation of having to sell ourselves. I used to be really good at job interviews - much better than I ever was at the job itself!!

Teb · #11 10-20-2010, 12:18 AM

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Hi Teb,
would you mind posting your chart here? It is also important where is Venus as MC ruler, aspects she makes etc.

I am unable to think clearly lately.

Oren · #12 10-21-2010, 04:28 AM

Hello everyone, I'm new here, but this has probably been the most interesting libra midheaven board I've come across as I seem to share some similar aspects to some of you. I've only recently started learning about libra midheaven and its effect on career, but I'm finding myself troubled by what I find, not because the descriptions are bad, but because the paths I've been taking in my life thus far were so completely off. I'm at a crossroads now with my career after having changed so many times and I'm trying to understand my libra midheaven for some insight into what direction I should be going now. I'm posting my chart as well if anyone could offer some advice as to why I seem to have been avoiding typical libra-midheaven careers. I've been wondering if having retrograde mars, neptune, saturn, uranus, jupiter, and pluto have an effect.

Yennefer · #13 10-21-2010, 05:17 AM

Hi Oren and welcome to this thread

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I've been wondering if having retrograde mars, neptune, saturn, uranus, jupiter, and pluto have an effect.

Not sure but don´t think this would be such a big deal, I also have a bunch of retrogades, in fact the same as you, only Neptune is stationery. Retrogades just tend to be more inwardly oriented.

Just a quick look on your chart. Your MC ruler Venus is in Taurus in 5th house, suggesting that you need to express yourself by using your creativity to produce something tangible and practical. Venus is opposed by Saturn in the 11th house which might prevent you from doing just that, you may feel blocked in your creative pursuits.

I will return to this later. You stated that to-date, your career path is somewhat off, so would you share your experience, what types of jobs etc.?

Oren · #14 10-21-2010, 05:28 AM

WOW! thank you for the quick response! well, I studied architecture for 3 years...thinking it would be a tangible/pragmatic way to express my creativity professionally...turned out to be more technical than I anticipated...so I tried real estate...which was good, for a time, lol...but when it came down to it, deep down I wanted to work for myself. I abhorred working in sales. I tried starting my own business, which I've put on the backburner while going back to school. The thing is, when I researched libra midheaven career, alot of what I read said that I would NOT be successful on my own (ie. starting my own venture), but would only be successful through partnerships. This is what startled me and basically threw me off. But regardless of this discovery, I was planning on going for my Master's degree in Urban and Regional Planning as a sort of back up, but now I'm considering it seriously since I've lost confidence in my ability to be an entreprenuer based on my libra midheaven. Oh, and I'm currently studying business/accounting... :/

here's another thread I'm in:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...845#post242845
now im considering acting? lol - so confused...

I've also updated my chart to a new one from astro.com

Yennefer · #15 10-23-2010, 05:16 AM

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The main characteristic for successful sales IMO is in believing the value and `rightness' of what you are selling. ... I'd look at what I was selling and wonder why I was spending so much energy selling something I didn't think all that important in the Grand Scheme Of Things. When I reached this stage it was always time for me to move on. Libra energy in its purest form can be excellent for sales, but it also can talk us out of selling, due to that balance/justice thing.

Yes you are right, R4VEN. I have Mars in Libra in 9th house and really need to believe it is the right thing that I am doing. And the Grand Scheme of Things, that´s very well put because I am Sag rising and ASC ruler Jupiter is in Scorpio - so I always know that out there and deep down, there are plenty of grander and deeper things

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Every time we have a job interview we're in a situation of having to sell ourselves. I used to be really good at job interviews - much better than I ever was at the job itself!!

Yeah, this is sooo familiar:-) I am also very good at interviews, regardless on which side I am. It is actually my profession to interview people and this part I really like. They present themselves, I evaluate if they are a fit for the job and if the job fulfills their requirements, I present the job and the company to them - this is Libra, the mediator! But the sales part

Yennefer · #16 10-23-2010, 07:08 AM

Hi Oren,

I read also other your threads and it seems you´re really confused regarding your career choices

Well I would like to note that MC in Libra does not specifically indicate a career in arts, it rather points to the fact that one should aspire to make an art of any career he/she chooses. This is a dynamic position - Libra is all about balance but balance is no stable thing, it is constantly being broken and needs to be re-created every day, every moment...
Now this may not sound especially good to your Taurus Sun - as it values stability and is very security-conscious. Your Virgo Moon also likes things to be planned and neatly organized and tends to be anxious when this is not the case. With Libra MC you must accept the fact that you can still plan and organize and build but as the dynamics changes each and every moment, it is up to you to bring balance to what you do and that this is actually its purpose, not something to be feared.
Libra and Taurus are in an inconjunct aspect, suggesting that these two things, security/stability vs. dynamic balance do not oppose each other but may need some adjustment to work together.

You stated you were/are considering an acting career - well why not but you should be listening to what your inner voice tells you and go for that. If you´re not sure at the moment, maybe it would be better to pursue this as a hobby, taking an acting course etc. and then see if it clicks with you.

You studied architecture and to me, this it quite a good thing because of both Taurus (building something of a lasting value) and Libra traits (inclination to art/balance). It may have be technical when studying it and surely you need to know these technical things (so a house designed by you won´t fall on someone´s head:-)) With Saturn opposing your Venus, you may feel that this is something that is blocking your creativity. But by the time you learn and master (Saturn) these technicalities, a bigger space for art and creativity (Venus) opens here. It may also be that you actually don´t trust your creative abilities. As with all oppositions, you need to use both planets equally in order for them to function properly and be balanced (Libra again:-).
I have friend with Sun in Taurus and Libra rising and she is a garden architect, fulfilling needs of both Taurus and Libra. Other possibity may be interior design.

You have Sun opp Mars which I share so I understand your drive for success (I am Aries Sun so this is even more enhanced). You would like to work for yourself. Well considering your chart as a whole I would suggest that this may be your goal but you would also benefit from working with others. If you´re to become an architect for example (I do not insist it, it is an example although I see it fit for your chart, it is up to you

), then working in architects´office with several others might be good, with each working on their projects but cooperating if that´s necessary. Later on you could start your own office, maybe with a partner, and using all that you´ve learned to-date and having a sound practice. This would also draw clients more easily

Oren · #17 10-24-2010, 12:59 AM

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Hi Oren,

I read also other your threads and it seems you´re really confused regarding your career choices

Well I would like to note that MC in Libra does not specifically indicate a career in arts, it rather points to the fact that one should aspire to make an art of any career he/she chooses. This is a dynamic position - Libra is all about balance but balance is no stable thing, it is constantly being broken and needs to be re-created every day, every moment...
Now this may not sound especially good to your Taurus Sun - as it values stability and is very security-conscious. Your Virgo Moon also likes things to be planned and neatly organized and tends to be anxious when this is not the case. With Libra MC you must accept the fact that you can still plan and organize and build but as the dynamics changes each and every moment, it is up to you to bring balance to what you do and that this is actually its purpose, not something to be feared.
Libra and Taurus are in an inconjunct aspect, suggesting that these two things, security/stability vs. dynamic balance do not oppose each other but may need some adjustment to work together.

You stated you were/are considering an acting career - well why not but you should be listening to what your inner voice tells you and go for that. If you´re not sure at the moment, maybe it would be better to pursue this as a hobby, taking an acting course etc. and then see if it clicks with you.

You studied architecture and to me, this it quite a good thing because of both Taurus (building something of a lasting value) and Libra traits (inclination to art/balance). It may have be technical when studying it and surely you need to know these technical things (so a house designed by you won´t fall on someone´s head:-)) With Saturn opposing your Venus, you may feel that this is something that is blocking your creativity. But by the time you learn and master (Saturn) these technicalities, a bigger space for art and creativity (Venus) opens here. It may also be that you actually don´t trust your creative abilities. As with all oppositions, you need to use both planets equally in order for them to function properly and be balanced (Libra again:-).
I have friend with Sun in Taurus and Libra rising and she is a garden architect, fulfilling needs of both Taurus and Libra. Other possibity may be interior design.

You have Sun opp Mars which I share so I understand your drive for success (I am Aries Sun so this is even more enhanced). You would like to work for yourself. Well considering your chart as a whole I would suggest that this may be your goal but you would also benefit from working with others. If you´re to become an architect for example (I do not insist it, it is an example although I see it fit for your chart, it is up to you

), then working in architects´office with several others might be good, with each working on their projects but cooperating if that´s necessary. Later on you could start your own office, maybe with a partner, and using all that you´ve learned to-date and having a sound practice. This would also draw clients more easily

thank you for this excellent analysis. I'm trying to figure out why I'm so resistent to returning to this field. I've always interpreted my resistance as some sort of signal that its not what I want, but now I'm wondering if saturn is just trying to make me pay my dues first...

EtheelLambert · #18 06-03-2011, 11:06 AM

Libra Midheaven is as well able to affect a faculty of accord and affiliation with others to advice move their account forward. They are acquainted of their social position, both area they currently are and area they wish to be.

DevilshAngel · #19 06-06-2012, 05:16 PM

I have my MC in Libra as well. There was a point when I wanted to do something in teaching. But now I'm feeling like I want to do something more creative and artsy. I also have an urge to make a business out of it. I'm guessing that's because Venus is in my 2nd house?

Neptune Rising · #20 06-07-2012, 08:49 PM

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[*]being able to talk easily, and listen well[*]being able to put others at ease[*]creating a safe and balanced environment with another[*]finding the angle from which to sell something seems to be a Libra characteristic[/LIST]

I already posted in this thread back in 2010, but since then I've completely changed my career and now pursuing what I always wanted to, teaching yoga. It covers all of the above list. I also fell into another part time job, well the job came to me, which helps keep the money coming in while I build up yoga clients - showing houses at the weekends, which is partly sales, just being generally nice and smiling alot, again covering all of the above list. With a Pluto up there too, with Mercury/Venus in trine to it, and Ascendant in sextile to it, may add some power to my words and expression, I guess, and I think helps me to see past the surface to get to the essence of who I am talking to, which really helps in the yoga and the house showing.