Aspects to Ascendant: Conjunctions and Parallels

[tokyo.lights]

Originally Posted by Rebel Uranian

Mostly experience. Also a little bit of my sometimes-flawed common sense. The difference is only that Saturn and Venus switch sects. I might have also got the reasons wrong. But the main common sense reason for me is that Venus shows relations with women (especially the mother) on a day chart regardless of model, and Saturn shows relations with men (especially the father) on a night chart regardless of model, and it is common sense to me that a planet that is chosen over another planet to represent something within a sect should be a planet that is favorable in that sect, or else the equivalent is that that thing should not be favorable in the sect: i.e. it is not favorable for diurnal people to be with (typical?) women since in the Western model all feminine planets are of the night, and it is not favorable for nocturnal people to be authority figures since the Sun and Saturn are of the day. Which is also why I make sect a more moderate consideration and currently only consider it really bad if a planet gets none of its own sects.

Back on-topic...

Thank you for taking the time to explain, that's a lot to think about! Yes my apologies, didn't mean to derail the subject!!!! carry on!

[identity]

I have a pluto on my ascendant about 5 degress conjunct and i do feel that as i get older my feel that more but i have a pluto square venus and the venus square ascendant is almost at a 0degree orb. i do agree

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my chart

http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi...tb-u1296962161

[FreeWing]

Is a 9 degree conjunction to the AC considered as a "rising planet" in a Natal Chart?

[*emma*]

Originally Posted by Kannon

Aspects to Ascendant: Conjunctions and Parallels

NOTE: Conjunctions within 3* of longitude and Parallels within 1* of declination will alter physical appearance, face, physiology. They will determine the fundamental constitution of the person along with the Ascendant sign.

SUN at the Asc creates a body that can be larger or sturdier than normal for its sign and a personality that wants the spotlight, to be on display or perform. At its height, there can be an Apollonian beauty or stature. There is a self-importance that desires to be at the center of things. Generally, it gives physical strength, stature, even athleticism. Physical issues can show up in heart, blood system or spine.

MOON at the Asc puts feeling and rhythm into the person. This is a personality with soul. This necessarily takes on physical expression, at least part of the time, inclining them to travel. These people will be inclined to music, rhythmic sports (like tennis), dance. They can be particularly in tune with the public, giving them notoriety. There is an instinctive need for change, variety, ebb-and-flow. The need to feel and receive is more pronounced than usual. Health issues can show up in the fluid and hormone systems of the body.

MERCURY is the messenger, and at the Asc puts thought, intellect or communicative ability into the personality. Computer programmers, radio personalities, writers, speakers, etc. Height is almost always increased over average or the sign. The nervous system may display greater sensitivity, depending on the sign and there is an active search for knowledge and interaction, travel, etc. The need to contemplate or communicate is more pronounced than usual.

VENUS is the planet of love, pleasure and beauty. These natives are more attractive and appealing than usual, or at least considered cute, but sometimes with a tendency to plump up a bit from enjoyment of life's leisurely pursuits. Venus brings out the most handsome or beautiful qualities associated with its sign, and the most considerate or kindest according to sign. Venus smoothes the lines and edges of any face from what is normal for the sign on the Ascendant. The height may decrease from average for the sign on the Ascendant.

MARS is the planet of action, energy, impetuousness and courage. There is an enjoyment of speed, athletics, competition, military, hunting, motorcycles and other things normally considered masculine. It nearly always brings accidents, injuries (especially to head or face), burns, puncture wounds, etc. There is a fighting spirit that can be applied gracefully or abrasively, depending on sign and aspects. There is often a ruddy complexion and/or reddish hair, as well as a sharp tongue or quick temper.

JUPITER is the expansive principle, ruler of all that is bright and at the Asc of one's birth chart gives added height and size, as well as added promise early in life. These people are jovial, vocal, with good humor, sociability and popularity with many pleasures and friends. There is a breezy friendliness about them, at least initially. There can also be a philosophical bent, giving good perspective on life to those around. Travel and variety in both people and experience is desired. Often dramatic tendencies are indicated if supported by aspects and sign. Generosity is notable, both with self and others. Circulatory and pancreatic issues, as well as weight gain can arise from overindulgence, but the health can repair easily with good measures. Far-sightedness is also common.

SATURN restrains and/or solidifies the body and personality when at the Asc. Often it means a smaller body than normal for one's family and Asc sign. Many are farmers or involved in agriculture in some way. There is a serious outlook, nearly the opposite of jovial, in which responsibility and obligation are put before pleasure. They are circumspect, cautious, conscientious, sometimes with serious health issues. The personality is sober and grounded to create a special type of leadership by example. Often they mature early but can also be delayed in discovering and expressing their particular talents. Will often have more the respect of their elders than their peers.

URANUS at the Asc creates something unusual in body or personality. There is distinction in talent or ideas or an unorthodox mindset, often both. Odd, unusual people, nerds, people whose foresight or intelligence surpasses their ability to communicate it. These people can be more advanced mentally, progressive, technological as inventors, engineers, scientists or working in radio, TV or internet. These people change the terms with which the rest of us understand and communicate about our world. Many of them will seem ahead of their time or discounted as revolutionaries.

NEPTUNE at the Asc creates a dreamer, visionary, artist, actor, illusionist, escapist, magician. A person with creative talent that, at its height, can mesmerize or inspire, and at its lowest can be filled with illusions and problems with drink, drugs, etc. Either type can be compassionate, sensitive and perceptive. There can be a special flair in the appearance or an extra quality of attractiveness that can be hard if not impossible to pinpoint. There is a love of color, visual arts, poetry, writing, music (especially stringed instruments).

PLUTO at the Asc creates a person of depth and power who goes all the way with whatever they are and do. Resourcefulness and unrelenting determination are qualities that will be apparent. There is the capacity to rejuvenate, as they always keep something in reserve. However, they can be secretive, even unto themselves, with inability to compromise at times, creating a special kind of commmanding or intimidating persona. These people may operate with a different (but guarded) moral code because they will not allow spurious rules or traditions to prohibit their purpose. Even if not outwardly evident, these are people of great power - at least after middle age - and are great allies to have during tough times. There is often another side to these people that only those closest to them can see.

CHIRON at the Asc creates a healer or teacher, whether artist, mystic, prophet, sorcerer or herbalist. The person may have maladies themselves that cannot be permanently remedied, making them more empathetic to those with serious problems, whether physical or psychological. There may be physical qualities suggestive of a satyr, with a lusty but pleasantly earthy nature. These people are essentially shamans, at least in potential, bringing together spiritual and physical. The hips or buttocks can be emphasized, even if the rest of the body is thin. These people are not at their best in isolation, but with people around them. The forest will feel like home. They can be natural gurus, teachers, tutors, great with children, patient and understanding. This quality may not be evident early in life, but will eventually develop.

NOTE: Planets actually in the 1st house when conjunct or parallel Asc will affect physical structure or be expressed through it. Planets actually in the 12th will be expressed through outward appearance that is taken on or affected in speech, dress, etc, because the effect is through the mind more than the body. Example: Adolph Hitler's unique mustache can be seen as an outward expression of Uranus near Asc, but in 12th house. The mustache did not grow that way but was trimmed in that manner and is a virtual identifying mark associated with Hitler.

Recommended reading: John Willner's The Rising Sign Problem.

kannon thanks for that insightand confirmation cool dude x ur pluto asc was great reading as i have it and PMSL at hitlers
moustache readings

[PisceanVenus]

Hi all,

What about oppositions? Is that a parallel? Sorry if that sounds stupid, Im new around these astrological parts.

I dont have anything conjunct my Libra ascendant, but if Im not mistaken there's an opposition with Jupiter, and Mercury isnt too far away? Would that make any modifications to the ascendant/my appearance?

My Chart: http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/...1206250796.jpg

[Kannon]

Originally Posted by PisceanVenus

Hi all,

What about oppositions? Is that a parallel? Sorry if that sounds stupid, Im new around these astrological parts.

I dont have anything conjunct my Libra ascendant, but if Im not mistaken there's an opposition with Jupiter, and Mercury isnt too far away? Would that make any modifications to the ascendant/my appearance?

My Chart: http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/...1206250796.jpg

Opposition is the term conventionally used for an aspect in longitude that is two or more planets +/- 180 degrees apart. Because declinations are not in a circle format, but in something more like a wave form relationship (like a sine wave) a different term is used - Contra-parallel (CP).



If your Libra Asc degree is accurate, then yes, Jupiter would generally indicate increased height/size over what Libra itself would give. This, of course, is relative to your parentage. In a sense it would enlarge, exaggerate, make more extroverted the Libran personality.

[PisceanVenus]

Ah, Thanx Kannon.. that makes sense. Since I am quite large, and quite tall. Luckily for me, its all porportioned quite well. Same effect on personality I suppose.

[kevingmiller21]

Wow I'm sort of a freak when it comes to my asc.

Leo Sun & Scorpio Asc

Asc sextile Venus, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune,
Asc conjunct Pluto, and trine Chiron, Vertex.

Venus In Virgo, Saturn in Capricorn, Uranus in Capricorn, Neptune in Capricorn, Pluto in Scorpio, Chiron in Cancer, and Vertex in Pisces.

.. How can I have so much Asc aspects?

Btw I got my information from http://www.wickedastrology.com/

My name is Kevin George Miller

Born in Vista Bella, San Fernando, Trinidad and Tobago

at 12:10 PM

[may28gemini]

Very informative and organized. Thank you so much!! I've been looking for such a breakdown.

I'm not sure if I can say the planet that's 3 degrees away from my AC applies 100% to me.
My 1st house is overloaded to begin with (Jup, Sat, Pluto) and I have I have Libra Jupiter and Saturn conjunct Asc in Libra respectively 6 and 3 degrees apart. Although the majority of my family members have "farmer" origins, I'm not small framed like they are. I think Libra asc tend to be smaller on the top and bigger on the bottom. Well, I'm top heavy and thinner south of the chest. I'm pretty athletic, strong, and sturdy. I rarely ever get sick and when I do, I bounce back quickly. It is true that I do everything with intent and purpose, and I'm sober all the time (scary, I know). Everyone relies on me to be the leader by example but not in the traditional case. When people deal with me, I always instill the honor system first. True that I've always had more respect for my elders than most my peers but I also end up rebelling against my elders/authority if necessary.

The Saturnine traits that I identify with are all very strong, the other traits that are clearly Jupiter conj AC kinds of behavior are also quite visible.

[LeoCassandra]

Recently I've notice that my natal venus is CP ASC. Should i read this as venus opposed asc (maybe less intense)?

[kevingmiller21]

It's funny when you really analyze natal astrology you find how unique people are .... Not to mention an almost bang on description.



Another great site I found that seems to show a ton more aspects is http://www.psychicscience.org/astrochart.aspx

[oren19]

Hello Kannon

I have Jupiter in Sag ( my rizing sign ) and a little below that in my first house in Cap., I have Saturn,...do you think that may be the reason behind me being bi-polar ? Going back & forth between being jovial and optomistic for a while, then back to being Mr. Doom & Gloom and an ***hole the next.

[Teb]

what do you make of node conjunct asc?

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by PisceanVenus

Hi all, What about oppositions? Is that a parallel? Sorry if that sounds stupid, Im new around these astrological parts.

I dont have anything conjunct my Libra ascendant, but if Im not mistaken there's an opposition with Jupiter, and Mercury isnt too far away? Would that make any modifications to the ascendant/my appearance?

My Chart: http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/...1206250796.jpg

Interesting link to photos illustrating the decanates of each rising sign and their effects on appearance - btw all the photos load, even if it takes a few minutes

After the photos Ron Bippus, an astrologer with over 35 years experience provides an article discussing oppositions and other aspects to the ascendant http://reocities.com/athens/delphi/1601/physical.html

[theV]

Thanks for article

I have leo rising

What do you know about Lillith parallel asc I have this aspect?

[ruchikar91]

Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Placidus Orb:0
Sun Pisces 14.06 Ascendant Taurus 10.03
Moon Scorpio 7.59 II Gemini 9.19
Mercury Pisces 16.52 III Cancer 4.51
Venus Aries 13.17 IV Leo 0.21
Mars Gemini 15.35 V Leo 29.05
Jupiter Leo 4.33 R VI Libra 3.03
Saturn Aquarius 2.52 VII Scorpio 10.03
Uranus Capricorn 12.59 VIII Sagittarius 9.19
Neptune Capricorn 16.14 IX Capricorn 4.51
Pluto Scorpio 20.21 R Midheaven Aquarius 0.21
Lilith Sagittarius 24.09 XI Aquarius 29.05
Asc node Capricorn 27.18 XII Aries 3.03

The planetary positions in the houses express the facts relative to destiny.

Planets in the houses
Sun in XI
Moon in VI
Mercury in XI
Venus in XII
Mars in II
Jupiter in IV
Saturn in Midheaven
Uranus in IX
Neptune in IX
Pluto in VII
Lilith in VIII
Asc node in IX

born march 5th, 1991 at 9.55 am


What happens if theres no Conjunction, could you explain briefly about my Ascendant?

Thanks.

[GEMINI78]

Originally Posted by may28gemini

Very informative and organized. Thank you so much!! I've been looking for such a breakdown.

I'm not sure if I can say the planet that's 3 degrees away from my AC applies 100% to me.
My 1st house is overloaded to begin with (Jup, Sat, Pluto) and I have I have Libra Jupiter and Saturn conjunct Asc in Libra respectively 6 and 3 degrees apart. Although the majority of my family members have "farmer" origins, I'm not small framed like they are. I think Libra asc tend to be smaller on the top and bigger on the bottom. Well, I'm top heavy and thinner south of the chest. I'm pretty athletic, strong, and sturdy. I rarely ever get sick and when I do, I bounce back quickly. It is true that I do everything with intent and purpose, and I'm sober all the time (scary, I know). Everyone relies on me to be the leader by example but not in the traditional case. When people deal with me, I always instill the honor system first. True that I've always had more respect for my elders than most my peers but I also end up rebelling against my elders/authority if necessary.

The Saturnine traits that I identify with are all very strong, the other traits that are clearly Jupiter conj AC kinds of behavior are also quite visible.

I have a loaded 1st house, Saturn 25D Leo conjunct ASC 27D Leo and Mars 28D Leo. At birth I was fighting NOT to come in this world. I was born 3 months pre mature, with a heart condition,collapse lung, Pneumonia and Asthma. I weighed 2 pounds, so I had to stay in the hospital for 3months. My mother said they told her to prepare for my funeral because I would not make it! The first five years of life, I was always sick in and out of the hospital. The year I turned 9 all my health problems started to fade away. but throughout my early childhood and teen years I always thought of death. I had a lot of adult responsibilities as a teen. I was always angry about having limited amounts of food and clothes. I was also picked on for looking older then most my age. My childhood was extremely overbearing and lonely. I read this is a karma aspect.

[Melaike]

My ASC's declination 13 16 N
My Mars' declination 14 26 S , this makes a Contra parallel right ?

I already have Mars opposition ASC in my chart,it doesn't change anything for me.

And also it seems I have Chiron Paralell ASC.İt's declination is 12 21 N . Dose it mean something ?

[theV]

Originally Posted by Melaike

My ASC's declination 13 16 N
My Mars' declination 14 26 S , this make a Contra parallel right ?

I already have Mars opposition ASC in my chart,it doesn't change anything for me.

And also it seems I have Chiron Paralell ASC.İt's declination is 12 21 N . Dose it mean something ?

You have Opp and CP that intensifies the aspect I think you should read the asc chiron conjunction for parallel

[byjove]

Mars parallel ascendant anyone?

[theV]

Originally Posted by byjove

Mars parallel ascendant anyone?

The Parallel said to be as just powerful as the conjunction here is one of informative site about the parallel and contra parallel you might gain some acknowledge about the declination

http://nightssky.wordpress.com/paral...lels-latitude/

Although,You should treat the parallel as a conjunction get deeper into conjunction

Mars Parallel Ascendant

You are able to muster that extra energy to complete a project and you have an underlying fascination with physical strength. You can access a fun-loving zest for life if you give yourself the time to step back from your work pattern and have some detachment from your intense focus.

[Kannon]

Melaike,

That is a bit too wide for a contra-parallel involving Mars. My experience shows me that Mercury, Venus, Mars have tighter orbs in declination than say Sun, Moon, Jupiter, which can go a bit further than 1*. The Asc gives no light so it has no effect on the orb, which is from the planet only.

As to Chiron, the key is being certain that your Asc figure is correct. Most charts don't have an accurate enough Asc for certainty with these aspects. With a true Chiron parallel to Asc you will display one or both conditions: constitutional maladies or weaknesses that trip up your health periodically or cause more than the usual focus on your health; a natural tendency to be a healer, shown at least in adulthood that draw you to using psychology or the natural healing arts to help people. With Leo on the Asc this would draw you into teaching more than the average person with such an aspect.

With the Mars opposition to Asc, if it is correct, you are quick to anger and assertive, even combative at times, very ambitious and 'take-charge' even if it annoys others a bit. It would sometimes come with an attitude of 'well, if they won't do it my way, I will just go do it alone.'

I have taken the liberty of running your data through my Asc-generating program and there was no possible Asc for your date and location of birth at 24-25 Leo. The closest possible one was at 18* Leo, then another at 8* Leo, plus 12 and 22* Cancer previous to that. Try looking at your life events to see what transits indicate for things like beginnings/endings of relationships (1st-7th houses), travels and education (3rd-9th), changes of residence (4th), career/work (6th-10th), hospital stays and health diagnoses (6th-12th).

So in conclusion, you do not have Mars either opposite or contra-parallel your Asc, nor do you have Chiron parallel it since the only possible Asc for you were at 15* North and upwards.

[Zeloim]

Hi there. I have Jupiter in the 12th conjunct Ascendant 0°44. I keep being threatened with weight gain later in life. I'm looking forward to that.

[Melaike]

Originally Posted by Kannon

Melaike,
That is a bit too wide for a contra-parallel involving Mars. My experience shows me that Mercury, Venus, Mars have tighter orbs in declination than say Sun, Moon, Jupiter, which can go a bit further than 1*. The Asc gives no light so it has no effect on the orb, which is from the planet only.

Thanks for the response.Altough I read about paralell's and their effects before I didn't know how to calculate them.

Originally Posted by Kannon

As to Chiron, the key is being certain that your Asc figure is correct. Most charts don't have an accurate enough Asc for certainty with these aspects. With a true Chiron parallel to Asc you will display one or both conditions: constitutional maladies or weaknesses that trip up your health periodically or cause more than the usual focus on your health; a natural tendency to be a healer, shown at least in adulthood that draw you to using psychology or the natural healing arts to help people. With Leo on the Asc this would draw you into teaching more than the average person with such an aspect.

This one suits me better.

Originally Posted by Kannon

With the Mars opposition to Asc, if it is correct, you are quick to anger and assertive, even combative at times, very ambitious and 'take-charge' even if it annoys others a bit. It would sometimes come with an attitude of 'well, if they won't do it my way, I will just go do it alone.'

I attract Martian people but those Martian traits don't suit me much.I'm usually very calm,I can't stand violence,I'm a perfectionist but I'm not that ambitious,I tend to stay away from stressful situations,(they make me sick)I can give up my beliefs and my thoughts to keep the harmony.

I can be aggressive only when I'm with my family/people very close to me/people I'm living together with or when İf I feel oppressed,when I'm indoors etc.

Also I don't like doing things alone.I always feel the need for a partner.

Originally Posted by Kannon

I have taken the liberty of running your data through my Asc-generating program and there was no possible Asc for your date and location of birth at 24-25 Leo. The closest possible one was at 18* Leo, then another at 8* Leo, plus 12 and 22* Cancer previous to that. Try looking at your life events to see what transits indicate for things like beginnings/endings of relationships (1st-7th houses), travels and education (3rd-9th), changes of residence (4th), career/work (6th-10th), hospital stays and health diagnoses (6th-12th).

I don't know how you calculated that but I'll try that 18th degree Leo rising chart to see if it's working or not.

Originally Posted by Kannon

So in conclusion, you do not have Mars either opposite or contra-parallel your Asc, nor do you have Chiron parallel it since the only possible Asc for you were at 15* North and upwards.

İs there a thread in the forum where you explain how you calculate these things?

[Kannon]

No, I don't have such a thread.

You sound more like Cancer rising than Leo rising.