Arabic parts or Lots of parts

DreamingTheSeas · #1 09-24-2011, 05:03 PM

The sign and house in which are the Arabic parts have any value?

JUPITERASC · #2 09-24-2011, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DreamingTheSeas

The sign and house in which are the Arabic parts have any value?

It is said that is so. Here's a link to a post by Ray Austin on the Education thread explaining the matter in some detail http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=13197

dr. farr · #3 09-25-2011, 04:16 AM

Yes, especially the sign the Lot is posited in, the ruler of that sign and its condition, mean a great deal; the house signification of the placement of the Lot sometimes is also taken into some degree of consideration, but the sign placement is always of premier importance...

piercethevale · #4 09-25-2011, 05:36 AM

Parts is Parts...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTzLVIc-O5E

DreamingTheSeas · #5 09-29-2011, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dr. farr

Yes, especially the sign the Lot is posited in, the ruler of that sign and its condition, mean a great deal; the house signification of the placement of the Lot sometimes is also taken into some degree of consideration, but the sign placement is always of premier importance...

dr. farr, I have noticed on my Arabic Parts some interesting facts. I will give you some examples:
My Lot of Children is in Taurus-my child has Taurus Asc. My Lot of Wedding is in Sagittarius-my marriage occurred when the sun was on Sagittarius. Coincidence?

dr. farr · #6 09-29-2011, 02:45 AM

Thanks for that information!
Coincidence? I am one of those who believe that nothing is a "coincidence"!

DreamingTheSeas · #7 05-20-2012, 06:37 PM

Let's take for example the Lot of Marriage. (Formula H1+H7-Venus)

Lot of Marriage in 11 Aqua 54, in 3rd house. Lord of Aqua (traditional) Saturn.Could that mean a Saturnian husband. My husband is Capi Sun-Moon-Asc. Ruler of Lot is in 5th house, well although we had a just hello in work, we start dating after a crazy night we met incidentally in a bar.

(Please tell me if i am in the right road or i misunderstood everything)

piercethevale · #8 05-20-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DreamingTheSeas

Let's take for example the Lot of Marriage. (Formula H1+H7-Venus)

Lot of Marriage in 11 Aqua 54, in 3rd house. Lord of Aqua (traditional) Saturn.Could that mean a Saturnian husband. My husband is Capi Sun-Moon-Asc. Ruler of Lot is in 5th house, well although we had a just hello in work, we start dating after a crazy night we met incidentally in a bar.

(Please tell me if i am in the right road or i misunderstood everything)

Hi, Both Asc + Jupiter - Saturn and Asc. + Saturn - Jupiter are given for this Part ...but I don't believe in either formula for a Part so named...but out of curiosity which formula are you ascribing to this 'Lot'?

dr. farr · #9 05-21-2012, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DreamingTheSeas

Let's take for example the Lot of Marriage. (Formula H1+H7-Venus)

Lot of Marriage in 11 Aqua 54, in 3rd house. Lord of Aqua (traditional) Saturn.Could that mean a Saturnian husband. My husband is Capi Sun-Moon-Asc. Ruler of Lot is in 5th house, well although we had a just hello in work, we start dating after a crazy night we met incidentally in a bar.

(Please tell me if i am in the right road or i misunderstood everything)

Yes it could mean that; also aspects made by planets to the Lot could show potential influences regarding Marriage; any star connections (conjunctions) with the Lot, could also provide information regarding Marriage; the house connection where the Lot falls could also indicate a special affinity of the significations of that house, with Marriage, etc...

DreamingTheSeas · #10 05-21-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by piercethevale

Hi, Both Asc + Jupiter - Saturn and Asc. + Saturn - Jupiter are given for this Part ...but I don't believe in either formula for a Part so named...but out of curiosity which formula are you ascribing to this 'Lot'?

piercethevale,
i used the formula Asc+H7-Venus.

piercethevale · #11 05-21-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DreamingTheSeas

piercethevale,
i used the formula Asc+H7-Venus.

I apologize.. I meant the Lot of Children...not the Lot of Marriage.
[I quoted the wrong post the other day...] ...which formula are you using for the "Lot/Part of Children"...and do you have any confidence in it actually being of concern with or to 'Children'... I've yet to hear one testimonial on either... I'm still very much involved with my endeavor to get all the Lots/Parts listed and evaluated that are on my list here: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=39338
...I really could use a truckload of more input, observations, evaluations from other astrologers on the majority of those listed... to our body of knowledge on the subject ...every contribution of observations...noticed effects...accounting of events that occurred because of astro-influences in transit to any of these Lots/Parts is like,...very much like donating blood to a Blood Bank... it's that important in my eyes. With todays 'instantly produced' charts and the ease and quickness of communications there's no reason why we can't determine and or confirm all the astrological Parts I've listed at that other thread in the span of one generation...

DreamingTheSeas · #12 05-23-2012, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by piercethevale

I apologize.. I meant the Lot of Children...not the Lot of Marriage.
[I quoted the wrong post the other day...] ...which formula are you using for the "Lot/Part of Children"...and do you have any confidence in it actually being of concern with or to 'Children'... I've yet to hear one testimonial on either... ......

piercethevale,

I used the formula Asc+Sat-Jup ( iam an am born)

piercethevale · #13 05-23-2012, 07:03 AM

Thanks. I hadn't caught on that there was an night and a day formula for the Part... it should of been obvious to me... I'm a bit 'pre-occupied' lately.
That formula [the AM or Day] is also ascribed to be that of a 'Part of Re-Incarnation'...and I've been rather partial to that [from what studies I have done on some charts of well known public figures]...also, I'm nearly 100% convinced that there is no such thing as a different formula for whether one is born during the day or the night for any Part...although, it has struck me that it is conceivable that there quite possibly is one or two.
What the the reverse formula would most likely be...just might be a 'Part of Progeny'... as that is somewhat a logical conclusion if I'm right about the other being that of 'Re-Incarnation' [as I believe in what Edgar Cayce said {and a number of spiritual teachers, i.e. Gurus} that we often come back to be our own great grandchildren].
Thanks for the reply...I've added this info to my thread on Astrological Parts in the Degree Symbols sub-forum.

DreamingTheSeas · #14 08-26-2012, 09:01 PM

The formula of the Lot of Death is: Saturn + 8th house (or sign, if you don't use Whole House system) -Moon. Right?

If so, then in Princess Diana's chart she had the Lot of Death in 2Gem47, which was in her 7th house.

* 3rd degree of Gemini
An etching or rare beauty displays a charming court life at the garden of the Tuileries under Louis XIV.

The Tuileries Gardens in Paris is just a 1,3 mile away from the Alma bridge where Diana died.

Alice McDermott · #15 08-27-2012, 03:12 AM

Most Lots were derived from Equilibrium charts and there are thousands!

I have written quite a bit about the Lots here: http://aliceportman.com/category/arabic-parts/

Princess Diana's equal house Part of Death (Ascendant + 8th cusp - Moon) is 11 Taurus 35.; her 2nd Part of Death is 20Gemini58 (Cusp of 8th + Saturn - Moon) ; her Death Point ( Mars + Saturn - MC) is 6Sagittarius22.

Interestingly, her Part of Murder (Ascendant + Mars - Saturn) at 22Cancer15, is conjunct her Regiomontanus 8th cusp.

Alice