Saturn and Uranus transits

[geminimoon83]

I've been going through the hardest time of my life the past few weeks, but especially the past few days. I am having my Saturn return, Uranus square Venus, Saturn conjunct Pluto, Pluto op. Venus...
I know Saturn transits are supposed to teach lessons, but this is crazy. I've had computers crashing, car problems, family issues, relationships with others and horrible depression--all in the just the past few days!!! Plus, my normally good judgement is totally gone and I find myself doing and saying things out of character. It seems to me that Uranus square my Venus (6th house) might cause some of this.
Is there something I'm missing that could be causing total chaos? Didn't expect my Saturn return to be this bad. :'(

[miquar]

Hi. I don't think your missing anything necessarily - I think the transits you point out are potentially quite enough to cause chaos.

The natal configuration of Saturn Pluto Moon, Nodal axis, Neptune is being triggered by Saturn of course and is very likely connected with your depression.

Also, transiting Pluto and transiting Uranus are making a series of semisquare and sesquiquadrate aspects to the planets in the 4th house (4th house in a quadrant house system) stellium. These transiting planets are approaching their first square, at which time (next month) they will both be a quarter of a degree from exact aspects to your natal Sun.

Your natal Venus is your only planet in water, which may account for some of the difficulty around the transits from Uranus and Pluto.

It seems pointless in a way to try to pick apart the astrology of this phase of your life, because there is so much fundamental change indicated. I wonder if it would be useful to approach it from another angle. You say that you are doing things out of character. What, for you, is in character and what is out of character. I think Saturn Pluto people are more likely than most to both intensely fear, and yet desperately need an encounter with 'the other within'. Also, what behaviour in others is frustrating you? This could also be the other within disguised as other people. How would you have to be different without a computer or a car? What new discoveries might you make about yourself or about life?

The depression may be connected with something being stuck - perhaps you cannot let go of the you that you thought you were in order to embrace the bigger you that is trying to emerge.

Just some thoughts to run with or disregard as you feel appropriate. I hope things turn around for you before too long.

[waybread]

Yikes! This too shall pass.

Saturn is a bit off its natal position, but no doubt you feel it. Saturn basically runs a diagnostic on our life system. If something is out of alignment, Saturn shows you what is the problem and what to fix. But it doesn't care much about your feelings-- that's moon stuff.

I didn't find my Saturn returns to be particularly onerous-- just a lot of new responsibilities and hard work.

Uranus likes to shake things up. Its diagnostic works differently. Generally it shows how we may have become too fixed or rigid in our lives, and where we need to relax around events and people we cannot control. Note that your transiting Uranus also trines its natal position, so this should be a good time to liberate your life.

Your progressed Mercury hitting Mars may ***** up communication, short-distance travel, or lead to sudden anger flare-ups. You might check out your shorter-term transits for the days when something happened suddenly. I found that when transiting Mercury hit my Mars or transiting Mars hit my Mercury, I was inclined to get in an argument with someone. While these transits pass quickly, the fall-out can linger.

Also, what is Black Moon Lilith doing in your chart, natall and by transit and progression? She's often the "spoiler" in a horoscope.

You have a yod formation in your chart, pointing to your sun-Chiron. Chiron can give your core sense of self (sun) a sense of being wounded or hurt ongoingly; but if you stay open to it, it can confer wisdom and compassion for others as you work through your chironic issues in life. Your Saturn transit would seem to be activating it.

And hey, please stay safe!

[kimbermoon]

May 16: During my own Saturn return, it was all about loss; a sequence of events including marital separation, health issues, death of both parents, subsequent estate struggles with siblings, loss of job and near poverty. It seemed that the Universe itself was attempting to beat me down...
In restrospect I do believe that the message is 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger'.


Since Uranus is the planet of CHAOS, it seems to be that that is the general experience of people on a global scale...it is all leading up to the New Awakening that is racing towards us. Also Uranus typically gives us things that we don't expect and are totally unprepared for.


Looking at the natal chart, you may be missing the challenge of your ill-configured Yod between Sun, Saturn and Neptune...this shows a pre-determination for what is coming to a head in your life now.
Consider that the transit of Neptune is currently activating that yod, by squaring your natal Jupiter/Uranus conjunction...an aspect that can create 'upheavals or breakthroughs' relating to your sesne of good judgment. The influence of Uranus is always unpredictable and with that natal conjunction with Jupiter the fix was already in. Remember that Uranus also rules the 'technology of computers'. Jupiter serves to exaggerate or expand the sense of disorder and chaos in your life. Are there any religious issues involved?


Saturn transit Pluto is also involved in activating the Yod in your case. The Saturn return is typically about disruptions in family issues, typically leading to greater misunderstands that cause separations...this Saturn phase is about moving away from the past.


Indeed your chart is highly polarized which suggests a significant tendency towards imbalance between the outer reality and your inner expectations and needs. Keep in mind that you are part of whole generation that is experiencing the Saturn Return sychronous to the global instability that is affecting the masses...you are not alone in this!
You are right in assessing the current transits involved and it is definitely not easy going, even for those undergoing a different phase of the Saturn return. When we talk about Saturn creating lessons, one must delve more deeply into what that concept represents. Saturn is also about the Universal Law of cause and effect. Saturn reveals the behavioral reaction patterns of the past that contribute to current difficulties. It is not about punishment however: it is more about passing your final test of awareness and consciousness. We are all part of creating our personal realities; for every action and reaction there will be a consequence down the road. In your shoes, it is difficult to see things with clarity and perceptiveness and it is this that contributes to what you perceive as chaos trying to overtake you. Saturn demands that we be accountable for our own circumstances, by attempting to get us to look inward for the answers that elude us on the physical level. I think that the best we can all do is look to what the planetary energies are attempting to teach us:


Pluto: letting go of past baggage; psychological transformation that leads to self-reclamation; overcoming obsessions and struggles for power and control; balancing between the physical and material; standing up against tyranny and oppression; overcoming deeply embedded fears; standing up for righteousness and justice.
Uranus: breakthroughs in consciousness; understanding with greater clarity the truth about our Creative Mind; creativity is also expressed through How we live...gaining new insights and paying attention to revelations; working for the good of all; rebellion against the new world order.
Neptune; restoring compassion and selflessness in humanity; re-connecting to our inner divinity; dreaming a new world; creating balance between our yin/ yang energies and restoring respect for the Goddess attributes which have too long been oppressed; restoring the ideals of truth and spirituality: healing the ills of the world, starting from the self and working outwards;

Uranus square Venus, Pluto op. Venus...consensus:
understanding and clarity in matters of the heart; restoring marital harmony; recognizing unrealistic expectations of what life 'should' be and seeing the reality behind the illusion of romance and marriage;

Creating selflessness rather than selfishness. Understanding the need for equality and balance in relationships; reducing mass consumerism and the addiction to materialism...


As they say, when the going gets tough, the tough get going...

Originally Posted by geminimoon83

I've been going through the hardest time of my life the past few weeks, but especially the past few days. I am having my Saturn return, Uranus square Venus, Saturn conjunct Pluto, Pluto op. Venus...
'(

[geminimoon83]

Everything said so far really hits home! I try to never stay "the victim" no matter what happens, and ALWAYS bounce back quickly (gemini moon). It is totally out of character for me to be this extremely depressed for this long. Today I actually felt for the first time there is no hope. I think what frustrates me badly is reactions from other people especially from family (4th house aspects --almost total rejection for no reason.
I have lived with my ex-husband for 2 years and have not been able to work and move on with my life because of my children. Just can't afford childcare. Perhaps this situation is frustrating my Uranus trine? I want liberated from this so bad, yet can't find a solution...Also have not had luck finding a job.
As far as frustrations with family it mostly stems from my mom ( I have Mars R natally in 4th house, yay...) She was abused growing up and is still trying to pass it on emotionally to me. I have never really looked too indepth at her chart, but I hear the abuse toward her was pretty bad. She blows up easily at me over absolutely nothing AND she is pretty controlling. Whenever we stop talking after a fight I hate to admit it but I feel great. This time I fear the damage may be permanent.
Saturn is conjunct Pluto natally in my 9th house and of course, is transiting it now. Doesn't that too mean rejection from family?
The Saturn-Pluto theory is very true. Kind of like your trapped inside yourself and struggling to figure a way out. Pluto natally square my Asc. doesn't help.
Next year I am expecting a couple of trines to my Venus...Neptune and Saturn. Please tell me this could ease things a little? Of course, then I won't have Saturn hitting me as bad...

[geminimoon83]

Yes, religious issues are involved as well. I grew up in a Christian home but over the years my family became more and more...extreme. I disagree with this extremism and am trying to freshly develop my own beliefs. It has been a horrible internal struggle in the past couple of years.
So basically my Yod is pointing to the struggle I am dealing with now? I have studied Yod aspect a lot and still find it just a bit confusing. Anyhow, it seems to me it's either learn now, or struggle for the rest of my life....and that really goes for my entire age group experiencing Saturn Return and Uranus aspects. I think we are a hard -headed bunch.
Yet one more question with Yod: Could this natal Yod be a call to maybe deny self, and become more involved with say humanitarian groups? (Since Jupiter and Uranus are conjunct in 11th house.) Perhaps this would give a sense of "balance"?

[kimbermoon]

I do believe, through experience, that the Yod has a strong karmic influence over us, demand ing necessary personal adjustments and adaptations on the part of the individual. It is meant to bring us to our knees, in order to understand the greater reality that goes beyond the physical experience. When we can find the to key to the configuration, we can then access a process of healing and reformation. In order to fight a battle, we must first be able to identify the cause of it, and very often this comes from within ourselves...thus we need behavioral modification that allows us to see the bigger picture at play.


Self denial is something of a paradox...some take it to extremes which serves only to cause a disconnect with our inner divinity.


“ Could this natal Yod be a call to maybe deny self, and become more involved with say humanitarian groups? (Since Jupiter and Uranus are conjunct in 11th house.) Perhaps this would give a sense of "balance"?
This is the concept of trying to balance the energies of selflessness vs selfishness. If we deny the self, it does no true justice to our soul. The secret comes down to the message of Chiron...first heal thyself; and because chiron is part of the yod, I do believe there is a calling for you to acquire a more 'spiritual' perspective in life. With the conjunction of Saturn with Uranus you are indeed meant to be an inspiration to others in some way.

Originally Posted by geminimoon83

Yes, religious issues are involved as well. I grew up in a Christian home but over the years my family became more and more...extreme. I disagree with this extremism and am trying to freshly develop my own beliefs. It has been a horrible internal struggle in the past couple of years.
So basically my Yod is pointing to the struggle I am dealing with now? I have studied Yod aspect a lot and still find it just a bit confusing. Anyhow, it seems to me it's either learn now, or struggle for the rest of my life....and that really goes for my entire age group experiencing Saturn Return and Uranus aspects. I think we are a hard -headed bunch.
Yet one more question with Yod: Could this natal Yod be a call to maybe deny self, and become more involved with say humanitarian groups? (Since Jupiter and Uranus are conjunct in 11th house.) Perhaps this would give a sense of "balance"?

[geminimoon83]

Thank you all for your advice! I still have a lot to learn.

[miquar]

Hi geminimoon83. It's difficult I know because you still have to function as a parent, but if you can surrender to the hopelessness for whichever periods family responsibilities allow you to, this could paradoxically help, and you may be more receptive to the rewards that life can potentially offer you through this process.

[geminimoon83]

Hi Miquar,
I am trying to get more alone time, but it is tough at this point. Saturn has brought me more work when I need a rest. I'll have to say the hardest transit for me has been Uranus square Venus! The Saturn Return has made me more aware of responsibilities and tighter with money, but Uranus square Venus is just plain horrible. I have been very accident prone, which is uncharacteristic, and had a relative who studies astrology tell me that I should be especially careful driving. And I might as well stay away from technology for awhile. I'd have to say to anyone about to go through this transit.. be prepared--it's horrible.
Kimbermoon, it's finding the key to the Yod configuration that's the hard part. There seemingly are so many aspects involved.

[miquar]

Hi. Its such a security-conscious looking chart apart from the powerful Jupiter Uranus in Sagittarius in the 11th. I wonder if the car and technology problems, and the general tendency to have accidents, are trying to break through the structures that have built up in your life due to the awareness of your own and others' security needs (Saturn Pluto, Capricorn, Taurus, Cancer). Transiting Uranus' trine to the Jupiter Uranus conjunction may be very strong for you if resentments have built up around your need for freedom. And with the other fiery planets, Sun and Mars having to carry the responsibilities of Taurus, and doing this with the complications of Chiron to deal with, it would be quite likely that you would get periods of resentment, and therefore potentially depression, at certain times in your life. As transiting Uranus and Pluto make minor hard aspects to the Sun Chiron Mars stellium, you will be prompted to deal with this issue I guess.

Anyway, apologies if I'm repeating stuff I said earlier. Things should get easier for you by the end of the year.

Best wishes