Which point of time do you count when initiating a major event?

[Neptune Rising]

Hello

For events such as opening a business, discovering a learning course, which point of time is the point you count when looking into a chart?

For example, I found a learning course that will be a major event in my life. I am a bit of a control freak and want to make the best of this. From the point of discovering the course, to call them up to enquire, to making the initial payment to reserve a place on the course - do I need to consider each of those points in time when seeing if the Moon is void for example? Or, do I just need to count the initial point of discovering the course and perhaps the first day of actual attendance of the course? I am trying to find a good day to make the initial payment, avoiding a void Moon, any nasty aspects ect, but I'm thinking that point in time will just relate to the smoothness of the transaction...

[Inline]

Originally Posted by Neptune Rising

For events such as opening a business, discovering a learning course, which point of time is the point you count when looking into a chart?

For example, I found a learning course that will be a major event in my life. I am a bit of a control freak and want to make the best of this. ....

From your current transits, you're going to be a bit obsessive for awhile.

I had very similar transits (tr. Pluto square natal Pluto, tr. saturn opposition natal sun, tr chiron square moon...) when i first started a 3 yr. professional training programme. Those were three of the hardest years of my life...

What i realised later was that my struggle was intensified because i was in the wrong course. studying for the wrong career. I didn't want to be there, but pressure made me remain to the bitter end.

If you are sure, that this is the direction you want to take with your life... you will have hurdles, maybe even power struggles and lots of hard work, but you will succeed...no matter when you sign up or attend! Good luck

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks inline!

I'm always obsessive Pluto trines my Mercury/Venus and Saturn squares it.

There have been so many signs that this is the right course for me to take. Several people have entered my life who have showed me how to do this technique to help fix my own structural imbalances that have been deeply embedded in my body for years. I've never been able to deal with them until now, with the help of these people and the technique they have showed me. I also feel there is something more I want to add to my teaching and this technique is the missing link at this point in time. I was recommended this particular school by my physiotherapist who goes to one of my classes and who is treating me for my structural issues. There have been no barriers as of yet, the doors all seem to be open. There is one barrier that will be the Olympic games being held here in London during the summer! I may just have to walk to the course as the transport system will be upside down!

I don't know where this will all lead, but I feel I have to do this teacher training course to know these other techniques and add it to my reportiore.

Wow power struggles, I haven't come across these yet. I've read about them and Pluto square Pluto transits.

This is a very hard time for me though, I do feel quite alone and I'm working for myself, its all very new to me and sometimes a bit overwhelming. Especially keeping track of the money side of things, as well as valuing myself and what I do. But I think that is transiting Saturn's lesson for my 2nd house Sun.

[Inline]

Originally Posted by Neptune Rising

Thanks inline!

Wow power struggles, I haven't come across these yet. I've read about them and Pluto square Pluto transits.

This is a very hard time for me though, I do feel quite alone and I'm working for myself, its all very new to me and sometimes a bit overwhelming. Especially keeping track of the money side of things, as well as valuing myself and what I do. But I think that is transiting Saturn's lesson for my 2nd house Sun.

Ja, i can see from your chart that you're probably working at home, perhaps the power struggle will show itself in a partner or an employer of sorts, Saturn in 7th?

My struggle was with the trainers constantly finding fault with my work and questioning my abilities during the course, tr. Pluto square MC.
In the end however, i graduated with top marks but deep down inside, i know i wouldn't have passed with such good grades, if it hadn't of been for the pressure they put on me to constantly prove myself!

[Judy_AzVirgo]

Originally Posted by Neptune Rising

Hello

For events such as opening a business, discovering a learning course, which point of time is the point you count when looking into a chart?

Good question, Neptune. I hope others will answer you who know more about this than I do.

As you've guessed, event charts can be problematic when they involve a number of steps. IMO, if you look at this situation as a business transaction (which it is, in a sense, as it involves money), you would definitely want to do a chart for the time when you sign up and make payment (enrolling and paying are often done at the same time). The time of your signature on a document would indicate a contract, and would be a good chart to run. But if you're going to look up the local chart in advance, allow some leeway for things like lobby waiting time, discussion prior to sign-up, reading the document or fishing for your checkbook, stuff like that, which could cause a bit of a delay in signing.

I'd also run a chart for the time you first discovered this course, which would be analogous to a "first meeting" of two people.

Personally, I wouldn't get over-involved in doing charts beforehand for every step of the process, though it can be a learning process to study such charts and follow them up with an analysis of what actually happens. If it were me, I'd just do it, then look at the chart(s) afterwards. I've observed that people will often choose the right time (or at least a good time) without prior knowledge of astrological transits.

You may not be able to avoid "nasty aspects"; look upon them as issues you may experience in regard to the course (a steep learning curve, for instance, or other issues). For the kind of class you describe, I'd check for transit planets that might connect with your natal 9th house and its ruler.

Good luck!

[Neptune Rising]

Originally Posted by Inline

Ja, i can see from your chart that you're probably working at home, perhaps the power struggle will show itself in a partner or an employer of sorts, Saturn in 7th?

Thanks again Inline! Ah I see what you mean, yes. It makes me realise, even the people who are 'pains in the neck' are here to help us, and us them, in some way. Its great when you can understand the lesson that everyone can bring us.

Yes, I feel this could happen with my Saturn in the 7th. Maybe with the course or the teaching, or employment as I also do another job while I get more established self employed. I also know a few people and realise how their charts interact with my Pluto. I guess it may play out during the retrograde transits. Pluto has stationed square to my Pluto, to the degree.

Perhaps doing this course will be a power struggle with myself, as there is alot to learn plus I'm quite busy as it is.

Thanks for the insight!

[Anachiel]

Originally Posted by Neptune Rising

Hello

For events such as opening a business, discovering a learning course, which point of time is the point you count when looking into a chart?

For example, I found a learning course that will be a major event in my life. I am a bit of a control freak and want to make the best of this. From the point of discovering the course, to call them up to enquire, to making the initial payment to reserve a place on the course - do I need to consider each of those points in time when seeing if the Moon is void for example? Or, do I just need to count the initial point of discovering the course and perhaps the first day of actual attendance of the course? I am trying to find a good day to make the initial payment, avoiding a void Moon, any nasty aspects ect, but I'm thinking that point in time will just relate to the smoothness of the transaction...

You can use general timing of events for all the above but, the most important is the decision you make that you can't turn back from.

So, for example, no biggie calling, researching, etc but, signing the contract, now that is a major consideration, right?

[Neptune Rising]

Yes! Thanks Anachiel! For this course, making the payment and signing is pretty much a final choice. From there on, its all fun and games!

[dr. farr]

I agree with the above 2 posts: the time of definite action is the time of the initiation or beginning of the matter.

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks Dr Farr! Tomorrow it is for enrolling on the course!

[Neptune Rising]

Does anyone know what a balsalmic Moon would be like for iniaiting an action? It would be a Moon in Taurus but just prior to the eclipse. I've been thinking of this course (as some of you may know thanks to a few horaries) for months and feel this is the right one. I don't want to leave it too long as its quite a popular course.

Venus will be direct by the time the course starts, the Mercury will be stationary, just about to go backwards. It will be opposite my natal Mercury/Venus but the transiting Mercury will be sextile transiting Venus. The transiting Sun will be conjunct my Vertex.

Transiting Jupiter will be conjunct my South Node in my 6th house. I am curious about that last aspect, South node is past, Jupiter is teaching and ruler of my chart and 3rd house. My natal Pluto trines the south node, so transit Jupiter will be trine natal Pluto. I wonder if this is something I have from a past life, as the technique I am learning is soo familiar, I feel I already know it. And it so easily combines with what I already teach. Transting Saturn will be direct again in my 10th house, approaching final square to my 2nd house Cap Sun. Yipee, and progressed Moon will be off my natal 7th house Saturn, and onto a trine to natal Jupiter!! Ahh, the Sun comes out for a bit!

This thread shows my chart and progressions!

[Neptune Rising]

Actually, I'm quite excited, I just realised this may be tied into the eclipses, the first one this weekend at 0 Gemini, followed by lunar at 14 Sagittarius. The lunar is conjunct my Ascendant and square natal Jupiter, while transiting Mars will be opposing natal Jupiter. I guess it doesn't really tie into the time for enrolling on the course, but makes me think its all meant to be at this time!

[Anachiel]

I like that TMoon joins TMercury and you natal aspects sound very positive. Certainly it presages a time of new opportunity, especially with Saturn on your MC. Certainly there are a slew of aspects that indicate longevity of the idea/project. I don;t think you need to concernyourself too much about the transit to your Node in the 6th. The Node is just a point. I think if it was the other way around, like the Node transiting something in your 6th it could be a consideration. I would stick with the headline aspects in your charts.

best wishes

[dr. farr]

Some Vedic adepts believe that any planet transiting the 10th natal house will act beneficially (as a functional benefic) for the person, while that planet is transiting the 10th house (regardless of all other considerations) Now, this might be going a bit too far, however, I do think there is "something to it": so, Saturn might well be a benefic for you, during its 10th house transit...

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks Anachiel! I do have the nodes travelling in my 6th/12th now, just had a nodal return, they are 3/4 degrees past now. I'm please that there is signs of longevity in this idea, its at such an early stage, there's no telling where this may lead. All I know is this is the next stage (and will take my savings). Thank heavens for tax rebates! I think the Jupiter in the 6th transit trine to natal Pluto is quite a positive transit, which happens at the start of the course. Hopefully success in all those things Jupiterian, Plutonian (expansion, learning, teaching, deep exploration and transformation) and all things 6th/9th, Gemini and Libra! I'm concerned that there is Mercury retrograde when the course starts and for the duration of the face to face part of the course. And its opposite my own natal Mercury/Venus, trine my north node/nep/ascendant and in the 8th house. This may mean I go through a deep transformation in my thought process during this time. The transiting Mercury does make nice sextiles to the transit Jupiter/Mars/Venus though, which makes a kite altogether with my Merc/Venus. I think I'll post a chart for this event in another post, rambling here!

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks Dr Farr!
For the duration of Saturn's transit of my 10th house, I started working for myself in the career I've wanted to do but been too scared to initiate myself. When Saturn entered my 10th house, after just conjuncting Pluto, a friend asked me to cover one of her classes. From then, I've been teaching, building up my own clients and doing casual work here and there to make up the money. I tried to get office work as that's what I did for years, but 'they' weren't having it, they looked at my CV and thought that I may go off and leave them to be a yoga teacher!

[Neptune Rising]

Woooo!! Excited! All booked now! At 3.10pm today London time. Moon was in early Taurus, heading to Mars, Mercury, then Jupiter.

Transit: tr Mercury is in sextile with my natal Jupiter.
Tr Jupiter in trine with my natal Sun and sextile progressed Jupiter.
tr Pluto square Pluto ect ect.

Just curious as the Moon was in the 8th house. I am getting a tax rebate soon, as soon as I feel logical enough to tackle this tax return form.... which will pay for part of this course. Very 8th house!

[Anachiel]

That's great! Congratulations!

Interesting, in the chart the Moon is actually going to a trine of Fortuna. Fortuna is disposited by Mercury (which is in mutual reception with Venus) and rules the ASC. Interestingly, Venus rules the 9th and Mercury is you or the event. Very good, very apt!

[Culpeper]

When casting an electional chart, it is the point in time where you are committed and can not back out without some difficulty. This could be when you sign the contract or pay, but sometimes payment is done later. If by mail it is when you drop the envelope with contract or payment in the post box.

Initial planning, negotiations, investigations do not have to be timed. It is the point of commitment that is important and times before that and after are not as critical. For the chart have an active Moon, a strong ascendant ruler, and if educational have strong rulers of the 3rd and 9th houses. Strong rulers are important more so than aspects in election astrology.

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks Anachiel!

Thanks Culpepper!

This is the chart for the time I gave my payment details over the phone. Nothing needs to be signed so this is the decisive moment! The only planning I did was to find a day this week without a void Moon and no square/opposition to Saturn. This was the only day really. Plus I thought Moon in Taurus may be quite nice. The exact time was just an impulsive moment when I had a gap during the day. Fate made it so that I forgot to take my phone with me to my class this morning, I left it at home, so even if I wanted to pay then, I couldn't.



Its interesting as Anachiel points out the Moon trine Fortuna. Ruled by Mercury which also rules me, disposited by Venus which rules the Moon. Moon in exhaltation and heading to Mars (also disposited by Mercury), then conjunct Mercury.

I guess Mars is the paperwork that I will iniatially start. There is an anatomy part that I can start to learn now, online. Its not vital to the course but its included as optional, so I may as well take it too. I will also be sent out the hard copy documentation, manuals and DVDs for the actual course which starts mid July!

In regards to strength, Mars is quite weak in the 12th house. But in Virgo, very much describes the nature of the course, its about health and wellness, fitness. Very Mars in Virgo (trine Pluto) as a way of using health to transform the body and mind.

Venus rules the 9th house. Its retrograde! Argh, lol! Its also disposited by that Mercury, which also rules Mars and resides in Taurus. So Venus and Mercury in mutual reception. I guess that makes Venus ok after all.

So perhaps that window of impuslive opportunity today was ok for booking onto this course! I just hope I can find space in my mind for all the information that's coming my way!

Thanks all for your help, you've been really great and such an interesting learning chart. !