Do I really have the makings to be a psychologist?

[Brea]

Lots of things in my chart point to being a "natural" psychologist but I'm wondering if that's legitimate because I cant really see a psychologist with a Mercury-Neptune square. I may think in very abstract symbolic ways but I can't communicate them clearly to others. Something that especially sticks out to me is chiron in my 12th house. I havent really delved deep enough into myself to re-open and observe how I've been wounded (still in the depths of denial), so I can't really know how that experience will help me to heal others. But it is an interesting tidbit being in the 12th house of the unconscious. I feel very strong pulls toward shamanism and spirituality. My mid-heaven is in Taurus, which I associate with creating beauty with my artistic talents. So maybe the only way to communicate these intense ideas and thoughts is through the symbolism of art? or maybe through a connection with the earth?

Any thoughts?

[miquar]

Hi Brea. Yes Chiron in the 12th, and squaring the Sun and exactly biquintile the Moon too - very powerful in your chart. And you are asking healthy questions about it. Chiron in the 12th suggests that your family over past generations have either neglected or misused Chironian energy, and so you it has been dropped into your in-tray for you to do something more creative with. It could be worth you reflecting on where your family were/are at with regard to Chiron's dimension of experience. You would have been very open to any prejudices and fears around Chiron issues that were part of the family psyche. If you'd like to say something about anything that could be relevant, I could try to help you to tease out the Chiron-related messages that you were given early on in life.

I wouldn't give too much weight to the Mercury Neptune square because of the wide orb. Uranus is exactly square the Mercury/Venus midpoint, with Neptune one degree away from exact - perhaps partly why you think in abstract and symbolic ways. Plus of course Mercury and Venus are in Aries in the 9th house, and the Uranus Neptune conjunction is in one of Mercury's natural houses.

Apart from the 12th house Chiron, there's Moon in Pisces in the 8th and Pluto, and ruling, the 4th - all good empathic, insightful placements for a therapist. But maybe you are also suited to something more artistic, as you say. Have you ever considered training as a dramatherapist or 5 rhythms type stuff, or art therapy, etc? This could combine the fire and water nicely with the Taurus Sun. And Uranus Neptune in the 6th would suit helping people to awaken energy from stagnant mind-body patterning (doesn't really make sense but I can't find the right words). Just a thought...

Best wishes

[Brea]

Thanks Miquar, very helpful. I could really use some helpful hints with this chiron of mine. I'm so secretive about my feelings that EVEN I dont know my feelings. This probably has a lot to do with my 12th house being in cancer but it's still boggling. All I can think of is that I have an amazing natural affinity to delve deeply into the unconscious thoughts, ideas, illusions, dreams, behavior, and emotions of others but I dont have the ability of stepping outside of myself to get that same clarity about my own internal mechanisms. I think this but then the fact that my chiron is in leo kinda throws me off. I doesnt really feel like I'm not giving myself credit for my talents as much as it feels like I dont know how to fully utilize them with myself (sounds chiron-y lol). I know this is very important so I'm feeling extremely more persistent than usual. All a mystery.

[miquar]

Hi Brea. Thanks for your response. I'd welcome the chance to explore this with you. I don't have time to do it justice right now, but will come back later this evening.

[miquar]

Hi Brea. Perhaps the 7th house Saturn in Aquarius says something about your need and ability to attain a clear and detached understanding of what is going on in other people. But with no other planets in air in your chart, conceptualising is probably not your main strength in understanding others. Your Moon in Pisces and your Aries Mercury and Venus suggest that a far more empathic and intuitive approach comes to the fore.

But in any case, even for someone whose intellect is their main way of adapting to the world still needs to feel their feelings directly in order to facilitate the healing and karmic cleansing which takes place through such feeling. Perhaps your Moon in Pisces in the 8th exactly biquintile Chiron in Cancer in the 12th is so very sensitive that you can't allow your own feelings to surface directly into your conscious. But the wounded healer theme kicks in, made especially powerful and creative by that close biquintile.

Your chart suggests that your family environment wasn't conducive to being in touch with and expressing feelings. Perhaps other family members feelings were so strong that there weren't room for yours as well. Or perhaps there were such strong feelings buried deep in the family psyche that there was an unspoken rule that no-one open the door and risk everyone being overwhelmed by these strong feelings.

So you may have a deep sense of inhibition and even moral repugnance connected with valuing the feeling realm. But somehow it is safe to explore the feelings of others. Safe and even necessary, for you are rooted in the water element by the Pisces Moon and Pluto in, and ruling, the IC, and you need to probe that realm in one way or another in order to draw sustenance as a tree through its roots.

But as you already know, the wounded healer theme is not good for long term satisfaction. And despite your ability understand others, much of your potential in this regard is lost behind the same wall that protects you from the intensity of your own feelings.

I wonder if you tend to go for detached partners/relationships, as befits your Saturn in Aquarius in the 7th, but then find that difficult feelings start to come up after a while? But this is just speculation.

I would make use of the aspects that the Moon makes to your Sun and Jupiter - both of which are feel good planets and both of which are in earthy signs and houses. Feelings are located in the body in a way that thoughts and intuitions aren't. I guess this is reflected by the fact that earth and water are the yin elements, and fire and air are the yang elements. Earth and water are about our adaption to life through our form, and fire and air adapt to life through extending reality beyond the limits of that form through thoughts and envisioning new possibilities.

But anyway, it could be that you just need to create a quiet space on a regular basis where you can allow your feelings to arise in your body. Zen meditation would be an example of the kind of thing you could do to become more conscious of your feeling life.

With transiting Pluto sextile your Moon at the moment, this could be a good time for gently allowing bits of feeling to surface. And of course transiting Chiron is conjunct your Moon at the moment while it biquintiles its own natal position.

I guess its no wonder that you have brought this issue to the forum at this particular time. I think you'll surprise yourself when you see how strong that Taurus Moon is as those feelings trickle and then flow and even surge through you. It seems that you have been given a task to do on behalf of your ancestors who could not manage it themselves. This is a bind of course, but also an honour. And the treasure of Hades that others left alone will be yours for the taking!

[♥♥♥]

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[Claire19]

Not at all. No markings really for a psychologist.

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I can see you studying and wanting to be shine in public life or having a career with the Sun in the 10th but it is in Taurus. A psychologist needs a strong Pluto and in the career or work area. Strong Scorpio. The 7th house has to be strong for counselling and one on one but with the Aquarian influence it is more about brotherhood and the rights of others. Another option is working for humanitarian organisations, sciences and technologies and group associations.

[dhundhun]

Originally Posted by Claire19

Not at all. No markings really for a psychologist.

Publishing, print media, global contacts, promotions and foreign affairs, legal matters. Journalism perhaps and global connections.
I can see you studying and wanting to be shine in public life or having a career with the Sun in the 10th but it is in Taurus. A psychologist needs a strong Pluto and in the career or work area. Strong Scorpio. The 7th house has to be strong for counselling and one on one but with the Aquarian influence it is more about brotherhood and the rights of others. Another option is working for humanitarian organisations, sciences and technologies and group associations.

Good reading. I concur.

Sun is quite powerful in 10th and negates indications of career in psychology.

[miquar]

There are many indicators for therapy work in this chart. But in any case, whichever indicators you rigidly associate with therapy work, you'll find plenty of therapists who don't have them, and plenty of people who do have them who have nothing to do with therapy.

Moon in Pisces in the 8th exactly biquintile Chiron in Cancer in the 12th and no potenial to be a therapist? You've got to be kidding!

And two planets concerned with opening up to the unconscious (Uranus and Neptune) in a work-related house (the 6th) count for nothing just because Pluto isn't in an earth house?

Sun in Taurus can't be a therapist? Where did you come by that idea?

Do all counsellors have a strong seventh house? And in any case Saturn (in the 7th in this chart is concerned with profession)

I hope Brea doesn't get deterred from making her own mind up by the two posts previous to this one. It's not a good use of astrology to make sweeping statements with such a sense of finality.

[Raquel]

Originally Posted by Brea

Lots of things in my chart point to being a "natural" psychologist but I'm wondering if that's legitimate because I cant really see a psychologist with a Mercury-Neptune square. I may think in very abstract symbolic ways but I can't communicate them clearly to others. Something that especially sticks out to me is chiron in my 12th house. I havent really delved deep enough into myself to re-open and observe how I've been wounded (still in the depths of denial), so I can't really know how that experience will help me to heal others. But it is an interesting tidbit being in the 12th house of the unconscious. I feel very strong pulls toward shamanism and spirituality. My mid-heaven is in Taurus, which I associate with creating beauty with my artistic talents. So maybe the only way to communicate these intense ideas and thoughts is through the symbolism of art? or maybe through a connection with the earth?

Any thoughts?

Hello there
I have Chiron in Cancer in the 12th house, Moon in Pisces in the 8th house and Pluto in the 3rd house.
I found this post very interesting because my dream is study psychology.
I like Spiritism and shamanism too. How funny. My mid heaven is in Taurus too.
Very interesting, indeed.
If you are really interested in psychological matters, go ahead with psychology.
You know, creativity and arts are very well, but with your Pisces moon I think you need to do something more deep... relating to persons, helping them finding a way.

[Brea]

Very on target Miquar. My mother is an extremely emotional person (I've never seen anyone else feel everything so intensely and go from one extreme to another). There is also a long history of being out of touch with our feelings on both my mothers (she bottles and explodes) and fathers side that goes back 4 generations. As a child empath, emotions from my mom would always (and still do) send me spinning long after she gets over whatever simplistic thing set her off to begin with. The only times I dream about water is when its a tsunami, large enough to envelop entire hillsides. So its safe to say emotions scare me since they were first introduced to me as a destructive force. It's always way safer to get in contact with the feelings of others (just not my mom's lol). Unfortunately I don't feel I like to personally go after detached partners because my father never openly displayed his emotions about anything. Like father like boyfriend. lol Freedom in relationships is kinda important to me however because while I like to have a best friend in a lover I also like and need my separateness. I haven't had many issues with that in the past though. Thank you so much for your experience and time Miquar. I deffinately hesitant but excited to work this personal issue out. Awareness is key. So long as you're aware of the problem, you have the option to do something about it.

[miquar]

Thanks for all that interesting background Brea. Sounds like you were raised in something of an emotional minefield. I'm sure you already have a very positive impact on the people you come into contact with because of your empathic nature and awareness of the potential power of feelings. So there's no need to dive in at the deep end where your feelings are concerned - I'm sure you'll get where you need to go.

Respectfully,

[Brea]

Originally Posted by ♥♥♥

I have thoughts but it is your thoughts that matters for you.

One things that pops out is your Mars-Neptune aspects, pleasant to see. Shamanism is the way to go, just make sure you are in the right company or even better do this with yourself. Neptune like empaths are likely to attract strange people who want to feed on them when all they wanted to do was to be creative.

With Mars-Pluto you got your kundalini energy going on for you and it should be harassed in a way which makes your orginial self happy. Orginial selves are neither mean to themselves or others or allow it to happen.

With Mars-Uranus there could be restlessness and regular exercise can be fun. Moutain climbing, biking, running, meditation or whatever. I get the picture of woods and water with that Neptune.

Your 12th house rules in sextile with the Sun feels like a nice way and benefits your enlightment. Just don't take it too easy and work for this.
You can trancend astrology and you don't need it when you become your original self.

You have Saturn in the 7th and this opposition towards your own ascension (ASC) and I am curius on your opinions about it?

Came away from the subject a bit.

I want you to reply to your own question instead?
No astrology needed.
Really.

lol Thanks. With the Saturn opposition ascendant thing I have to say I've always associated this with having difficulties initiating friendships because I am so out of touch with my own impression. Because I come off as a "know it all" it really puts people at odds with me, but I cant help being passionate. I also kinda view relationships as limiting because I cant act "this way" or "that way", or Im too "this" and not enough of "that". Thanks for putting me face to face with my own questions. I'm pretty bad in the way that I kinda try to avoid my intuitive voice. Since I'm out of ouch with my own emotions, it also throws me out of touch with my intuition. I have greatly improved however.