turkey

[sandstone]

thought i would share this here as well..

the chart i am using for turkey is 29 oct 1923 ankara, turkey 830pm with 7 cancer 47 rising.

the date of the mars/saturn conjunction at 24 libra 49 is aug 15 2012.. this duo of planets is an interesting one sometimes traditionally associated with war. the timing of this conjunction coincides with venus in direct opposition to pluto at 7 cardinal while uranus is less then one degree off this, and thus creating a t square that hits directly onto turkeys rising degree mentioned above. what is interesting here is that natal mars in turkeys chart is at 7 libra 23, right where the t square is that i mention. what is also very interesting is natal saturn in turkeys chart is right where this mars/saturn conjunction happens.

saturn rules turkeys 7th house, which is traditionally the house of enemies but overall a countries relationships with other countries. i can't help but wonder about the relationships that turkey has as a key player in this part of the world bordering on countries syria, iraq and iran among others. turkey also has an ongoing internal dymanic with the kurdish people. turkey also has a more challenged relationship with israel for the past couple of years for those who follow world news.

i don't think anything is going to happen between iran and israel this year. i base this on examining a number of charts, including ingress charts and etc. etc. for iran. i haven't examined israels chart as thoroughly though and the timing of this mars/saturn in relation to israels chart is interesting, no matter what the rising degree one wants to give for the israel chart - generally anywhere from the 4pm to the 437pm time frame, or 23 libra to 2 scorpio.

i wonder if something is going to evolve out of this particular mars/saturn conjunction that coincides with some development in this area though.. turkey seems directly involved given these astrological patterns as i see it. of course a thorough examination of a chart has much more to do that with just transit data.

[dhundhun]

Mars in Turkey's chart is not related to any other planet, it stands alone. Thereby, Turkey is not a warmonger country.

It has Mercury/Saturn conjunction, well aspected by Moon, well aspected by Neptune - so it can take right (and fine) decisions although it may have to walk on the edge of sword.

Uranus opposition Mars this year can create some minor chaos. Probably thist the time, other countries could be engaged.

[sandstone]

hi dhundhun

i agree that turkey is a peace loving nation.. they never got involved in the 2nd world war either which is an interesting historical fact. i wouldn't come to this conclusion based on the astro comment you made, but it is an interesting comment you make either way.. if one includes the outer planets it looks different. on the other hand mars sits directly on the neptune/jupiter midpoint which would seem fairly altruistic.

the mercury is indeed conjunction saturn and the aspect is very close - what the trad astrologers like to call partial. partial with a malefic was considered a minor negative as i understand it.. mercury rules turkeys 12th and 3rd house.. this mars/saturn conjunction actually takes place right at mercury/saturn conjunction..

if you think about it, this final pass of saturn to saturn - the saturn return chart essentially - has this close mars/saturn conjunction which might imply some of the frustration turkey faces in regards to entering into the european union.. on the one hand this has worked in turkeys favour in that all the financial tribulations europe has experienced, turkey has been somewhat sheltered from. however i think turkey senses a degree of frustration at doing everything right, but still not being included in the club.. maybe this is a good thing ultimately.. i think mars at the jupiter/mars midpoint might like to rely on others but find they are let down more often then not. this is just more speculation on my part. turkey is a fascinating country that has a very rich history and in a very central area geographically - right at the crossroads between europe on the one hand and the middle east and africa on the other..

[MaeMae]

Originally Posted by dhundhun

Mars in Turkey's chart is not related to any other planet, it stands alone. Thereby, Turkey is not a warmonger country.

It has Mercury/Saturn conjunction, well aspected by Moon, well aspected by Neptune - so it can take right (and fine) decisions although it may have to walk on the edge of sword.

Uranus opposition Mars this year can create some minor chaos. Probably thist the time, other countries could be engaged.

armenians would have a different opinion on the "war mongering" concept.
turkey is a tiny country surrounded by several richer and larger forces, so it would be foolish for them to "start" anything. what happened in their perceived "own country", however, could be considered war mongering to me.

[sandstone]

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turkey is surrounded by smaller neighboors mostly.. here are the countries that 'surround' them directly - greece, bulgaria, georgia, armenia, iran, iraq and syria.. of these, only iran is larger by land mass and not much. in terms of wealth i am not so sure how much 'richer' these neighboors are either.. most if not all of them might actually be poorer if we leave out the oil factor for iraq and iran.. agriculturally turkey is the bread basket for europe as well, which makes it an interesting place from a certain pov..

as for the ethnic cleasning issue and armenia, that is a part of the history of world war 1 - specifically 1915 , this was before the chart we have erected for turkey - 1923.. it doesn't change the history of the area, but then neither does the ethnic cleansing of native indians in north america
at some point people must learn how to forgive and forget and move on, as difficult as that may sound.

turkey is in an interesting location, like a gateway to the middle east from europe in a sense. being surrounded by countries that are involved in war and talk of war must be a delicate position to be in. i think they are very good at staying detached and neutral as much as possible.. i remember bush 2 offering them 6 billion (wontcha take a bribe?lol) in order to use turkeys airspace.. turkey put it to a national vote and the public overwhelmingly voted it down.. on the basis of recent history, i think they walk a fine line and do a pretty good job myself..

here is some of my basis for making the original post - syria.. syria one of turkeys neighboors in embroiled in a difficult situation and it has been spilling over onto turkeys borders with turkey accepting a large number of refugees set up in camps along the syrian border.. turkey and syria have always had friendly relations, but the actions of syria's assad gov't has changed all this in the past year.. it is a fragile situation and it is a difficult situation that syrias neighboor finds itself in.. it appears syria is on the verge of civil war, or is already in civil war at present and this is bound to have implications for syrias neighboors, turkey being one of these..

i look at the chart for turkey and i wonder about the mars-saturn conjunction of august.. this combo was traditionally associated with war and i note the conjunction of these 2 planets in august happens to fall in the same sensitive spot in turkeys chart.. i note more as well, but i am mostly just discussing this one prominent feature for august.. i don't know exactly how it will unfold, but i am using the forum to make a public astro note on it.. i did a thread on syria too when i first got to this site.. syrias astro is harder to follow however, as we don't have a birth time for assad and we have a few charts for syria which is not the problem with turkey - one chart for the country..

[wilsontc]

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[DreamingTheSeas]

Dear moderators,

Yesterday i made a comment in this thread, and today my comment has been disappeared. I can recall clearly my comment and i can't understand why you delete it. I would appreciate having an answer.

My comment was : the Cyprus would have a different opinion too.

[Monk]

Actually i made a comment also, please note i'm a contraversial member who hasn't had a warning, but adhere to rules, it was off-topic!

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