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My father visited the A.R.E. in the very early 80's with my mother (shortly before I was born). He didn't have much money, so instead of buying any thick books, he picked up handfuls of the booklets from the A.R.E. press. I must assert that some of these booklets are better than whole books about the readings. I also agree that Cayce's material on astrology is invaluable when properly understood. He did not provide any particular techniques of calculation, but an unparalleled understanding of what astrology is and why it works the way it does. I would highly recommend the old A.R.E. booklets to anyone who can get their hands on them.

P.S. I wouldn't necessarily adhere to the "octaves" idea that is tossed in by astrologers who interpret the readings.

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My father visited the A.R.E. in the very early 80's with my mother (shortly before I was born). He didn't have much money, so instead of buying any thick books, he picked up handfuls of the booklets from the A.R.E. press. I must assert that some of these booklets are better than whole books about the readings. I also agree that Cayce's material on astrology is invaluable when properly understood. He did not provide any particular techniques of calculation, but an unparalleled understanding of what astrology is and why it works the way it does. I would highly recommend the old A.R.E. booklets to anyone who can get their hands on them.

P.S. I wouldn't necessarily adhere to the "octaves" idea that is tossed in by astrologers who interpret the readings.
I don't take anyones 'interpretations' of the readings as for fact or even partial truth...I make my own evaluations and decisions.
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[This came about this eve as I was writing on another thread started by member sdh3 on Sabians and the movies and about Quintile matrices of different shapes. I e-mailed my brother about the discovery right off and as it is already written and I'm a bit wore out from this days activities I'm just copying and pasting the e-mail here [actually it was two e-mails as there was a subsequent second discovery...thanks ptv]


The other day, I noticed what Ursula Lewis had written about the 'Tredecile' 108*, but as the arrangement I was tinkering with is a kite with two opposite degrees connected by Bi-Quintiles and Semi-Quintiles I had no immediate use for it but thought she had mentioned it being a 'Major' aspect. Today, upon looking up the Tredecile, again, I found I was in error. Rather, it was Se-squares and Semi Squares that Ursula had labeled as such...but I did remember it was something other Astrologers haven't even mentioned as being other than 'Minor' aspects.

But this got me thinking...
A question arose in my skull that possibly another arrangement would have even more potential...and that would be one of two opposite degrees connected by 'Tredeciles and Quintiles. Now this matrix does have full Quints involved.

I won't burden myself with writing the differences as to effects as according to Ursula...you can figure the details out for yourself...but I believe the matrix might be more of a 'Mystic Rectangle' than that of the Sextile -Trine arrangements.

Now, Here's the really neat part..why I'm sending you this e-mail right off.
I looked at my Yeshua chart on the wall here next to the desk and gave it a cursory look over for any of these Quintile-Tredecile kites and lo & behold..what I found is that Mars and Uranus were in one of the Bi-Quintile~Semi-Quintile Kites to the Nodes...North Node the focal...That's a really BIG WOW...

Mars and Uranus to the Nodes....Mars 9th house Gemini...Uranus 7th house Aries ...South Node 8th house Taurus...North Node 2nd house Scorpio.

This needs some serious analyzing and with particular attention to the Sabian Symbols.


I forgot to mention...the South Node is conj the Part of Treachery [and I never caught on to that before...never connected in my mind] Part of Treachery is Asc + Neptune -Sun and Yeshua's comes out 13* Taurus 16*.

The Keywords for the 14th of Taurus by Rudhyar is 'Live and Let Live"...which wasn't so 'unlucky' for Judas...and Uranus and Mars were helping link these opposites in harmony
The 14th of Scorpio... [Rudhyar] "TELEPHONE LINEMEN AT WORK INSTALLING NEW CONNECTIONS.
KEYNOTE: The need to establish new channels of communication."
[Edgar Cayce's Part of Fortune...btw]



I'm including the birth chart in case you haven't got one handy.
Oh, btw...someone reminded me on the last Friday 13th that Yeshua was crucified on a Friday the 13th....interesting in that I have the Easter Sunday in 35 AD on Sunday the 15th...Ah Ha...I'd heard about the crucifixion thing years and years ago and I'd forgotten it...the only association I had with Yeshua and the number, 13, was Judas as some called him the 13th disciple.


WOW...another one...A Uranus~Jupiter~Moon/Asc/Pluto~ Mars rectangle...WTF! ....Whoa!...Check this out! Man...it's been staring me in the face for...How Long?
It's a rectangle consisting of a Uranus~ Jupiter Trine, Jupiter~Moon/Asc/Pluto Quintile, Moon/Asc./Pluto~Mars Tredecile, Mars~Uranus Quintile....

WOW



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[I know it's not the most symmetrical of polygons esp a Trine and a Quintile making up a hemisphere...but it is all in orb of aspect...although the Moon ~ Uranus opposition is around 8 1/2 degrees.
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I borrowed this from the Humor Forum...as this developed over there...of all places...


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In response: according to the Holy Bible - New Testament- King James version mentioned the Friday right after Pesach or Passover, the Last Supper 3 days before when there's a full moon in early April associated with: when the Jewish holiday Pesach falls on the lunar date of 14 Nisan.

Pisces don't match well with Leo and Libra, seems to produce conflict in relationships or brought on failed marriages among them. But when they have Cancer, Scorpio and Aquarius partners, things improve with other water signs plus Aquarius and chances of a life long relationship is fertile.

Personally, I know a Pisces couple with 3 daughters: the oldest a Leo, the middle child a Libra closing to Scorpio and a Scorpio closer to Sagittarius. The sidereal zodiac places the couple Aquarians, the daughters in order of rank: Cancer, Virgo and Libra, whom get along very well with Aquarians.
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"Well...There you go....."
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...then this came together...[repost copy]


Whoa...mind blowing...this is the Full moon on the 9th of April ...one week prior to the date I've given for Easter Sunday [April 15]and the physical death on Monday. [the 16th when the missing points of the Septile matrix that is on the natal chart where filled by transiting Sun, Moon & Saturn]...some how, I find this extremely ironic that this revelation came about through the 'Humor Forum'...
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<<<THERE"S A FREAKIN' MAGEN DAVID IN THE HEAVENS>>>

..the only point missing is around the 17th - 18th degree of Cap. but that was the apprx. Desc. relative to Israel at the exact time of the Full Moon that day. As there is an X factor always attributable to at least one of the Asteroids [because it had been a Planet at one time...["Lucifer shattered this Planet to confuse Mankinds' psyche." quote: my brother, who in turn was quoting a most ancient and occult source that i'mm trying to get the name of]
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I think I like this one even better...put's the emphasis on where I figure the 'paradigm' of the Magen David should be ...which I figure apprx. around 18* 30' 00" all around the Earth and Water signs [now, Mars is a few degrees off..but close enough to still be in orb of affect in my opinion]
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I find it very interesting that sdh3 and I kind of had a 'falling out', over the proper description and interpretation of this degree a couple of months ago...
...and it's repeated 'poppin up' numerous times since...[it's always works like that for some reason...as if the 'Great Cosmic Muffin' doesn't want us to 'miss a point"

[from Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols]
"(CAPRICORN 19): A FIVE-YEAR-OLD CHILD CARRYING A BAG FILLED WITH GROCERIES.

KEYNOTE: Rising to the occasion when asked to assume social responsibilities ahead of one's normal development.

....This twentieth scene of the complete process has been entitled "Group performance," ,...it is evident that Children at an early age are expected to assume a family role which at times will strain their natural capacities.
This.... symbol evokes the possibility of meeting a certain type of social opportunity which normally may seem premature. A pattern of ACCELERATED GROWTH can thus be established, with both positive and negative aspects..... a particularly dynamic period of man's evolution."
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More introspection here. I'm noodling with the Time of Septile completion day after Easter Sunday chart~April 16th, 035 A.D., the Pre Crucifixion Full Moon chart~April 9th, 035 A.D., the Pre Crucifixion New Moon chart~March 26th, 035 A.D. and...Last Octobers Full Moon chart~Oct. 11th, 2011.[because I sensed 'something' about last Oct. and that Full Moon...for one thing I was supposed to have gone to the Calif. Pacific coast at Mendocino for a weeks' getaway that never happened...and as I was checking aspects for the trip it stuck me that there were a lot of degrees of the Zodiac I'd been repeatedly confronted with in THIS endeavor.

I supplied you all with the first two listed. Here are the charts for the Pre-Crux. New Moon and Last Octobers Full Moon [and there is so much ..criss~cross action going on between all these charts it almost stupefies me to decide where to even try to begin to unravel it all.
I'll pick some of the 'Criss~Cross' action and how it interrelates in the next post...meanwhile have a look and get familiar with it.
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I've taken a few breaks..come back look at all 4 aforementioned charts...and an occasional glace at the natal chart...and...I get dizzy...literally spun around.

There's so much going on...it's going to take a long time to sort it out to just get a sense of a starting point to decipher anything.

Here's some observations and notations I collected so far...I'll try to arrange them in some sort of order here...this is just a preliminary lay out.
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The missing point of the 'perceived' Magen David on the Pre Crux Full Moon at apprx. 18* Capricorn 30' [which is the Desc. and Part of Fortune for that event]...was conjunct
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Last Oct Full Moon @ M.C. 18* Capricorn 30'
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Last Oct Full Moon: M.C. 18* Capricorn 30' conj. the missing point on Magen David @ Pre Crucx Full Moon.

Last Oct Full Moon: Ceres @ 19*th of Pisces conj. natal Part of Fortune and conj. my natal Part of Inheritance.

Last Oct Full Moon Mars @ 14* Leo conj. Pre Crucx New Moon, Full Moon. Easter Saturn & Jupiter @ -from 13*th - 14*th Leo

Last Oct Full Moon: Neptune @ 29th of Aquarius [Rudhyar's] "A BUTTERFLY EMERGING FROM A CHRYSALIS."... Keyword is METAMORPHOSIS. In spiritual terms, this implies "Initiation," i.e. entering a higher realm of conscious existence and there joining a sacred Company."

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compare to the 1st of Libra the Asc. & Pluto at natal [ibid] " IN A COLLECTION OF PERFECT SPECIMENS OF MANY BIOLOGICAL FORMS, A BUTTERFLY DISPLAYS THE BEAUTY OF ITS WINGS, ITS BODY IMPALED BY A FINE DART....KEYNOTE: The immortal archetypal reality that a perfect and dedicated life reveals....the perfect Form of Man...[keyword{s}] This is the symbolical Transfiguration; at the Mount of Transfiguration, Jesus, the Son of Man, was "impaled" by the ray of Divine Light, making of him a Son of God. It was at this very moment that he learned of the Crucifixion awaiting him. Thus the merely human individual is MADE SACRED, becoming the pure embodiment of an archetype.

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Pre Crucx New Moon: Uranus @ 28*th Leo conj. S. Node

Pre Crucx New Moon: N. Node @ 28*th of Aquarius

Pre Crucx New Moon: Mars opposite Pluto @ 18* 30" Gemini/Sagittarius conj. Last Dec. 2011 Full moon event [and btw also My brothers' M.C & I.C.]

Pre Crucx New Moon: Lilith @ 25*th Scorpio conj. natal Neptune

Pre Crucx New Moon: Pallas @ 25*th of Leo. conj. natal Hermetic Part of Eros [also My M.C., my Part of Fortune and my brothers natal Jupiter]

Pre Crucx New Moon: Ceres 8*th Sag. conj. natal Part of Commerce [this is significant considering the hypothesis that it was the 'Money Changers' that insisted on the persecution]

Pre Crucx New Moon: Part of Fortune @ 16*th Aries conj. my natal Venus

Pre Crucx New Moon: M.C. @ 9*th Capricorn

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Pre Crucx Full Moon: Venus @ 18*th of Pisces

Pre Crucx Full Moon: Uranus @ 28*th of Leo conj. S. Node

...and all the aforementioned about Pluto @ 19th Sag. Saturn and Jupiter @ Leo etc....



...I'll continue this later...it's mid night here...time goes by fast when having fun....
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Okay...so I made a slight error...[yesterday was a madhouse around here it was hard to concentrate...]

The Magen David is an Air/Fire matrix. The missing point is around 19* Libra.
The Node is a bit too far out of orb to be considered in my opinion...must have been something there...I'll be tossing this around in my head today.

...I apologize for the error and the mis-leading assumptions...but, I have a hunch there will be a solution to this ...and if so it's got to be something quite interesting, I'm sure.

...and in Leo the ideal of the paradigm is the mid-point [apprx. 19* Leo] between Uranus and the Saturn Jupiter conj. It does have affect upon them all in my opinion.
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.Well, this is interesting.
I played with a bunch of the 'asteroids' for the Full Moon prior to the Crucx. chart and found that UB313 aka Eris was at the 1* of LIbra for the Crucx.

As I've ponted out in a number of threads in posts I don't use ub313 as I asked my clairvoyant friend and spiritual confidante, Clarisse Conner, a few years ago about that obeject and what she 'saw' is something "...not natural."

...this plot is starting to 'thicken'....

...I wonder if it 'Hung around the first degree of Libra for some years ..that could explain the Star of Bethlehem that I've repeatedly said must have been in the 1st degree of Libra...
...hmmmm?
Well, I haven't breakfast yet..and it's nearly 1pm here...later!



the Easter chart for the day [Monday] after the Sunday when the septile matrix was completed by transiting Sun, Moon and Saturn...the BIG 3
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Hi Piercethevale,
Please excuse this entrance into this thread though the subject is on my radar with my partner & I in a curiously synchronous way,as we research Christ/Magdalen/Lilith.We tried to connect at the Dienst.She has posted in the Mary's chart thread.I tried to PM you here but the box is full.I am a new member and have not done a profile yet
& not a Troll,never been one & dont have the time or energy to waste,and welcome them to take me on.
I recently pasted part of your old post RE;True Path Of Discipleship 7/5:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=19550

to the Darkstarastrology site:
http://darkstarastrology.com/mars-retrograde/

In connection to this Mars Rx,when it was at Virgo 22 i some how came across your post & was really intrigued.I mean in a big way.So i started looking at charts,mainly mine & my partners.I am 62 and the owner of a cardinal G. Cross on the angles whose Sun at 4 54 Cap con IC 4th & Moon at 1 50 Aries con DC 7th & Uranus at 2 54 Can con MC 10th & Mars at 0 18 Libra con AS.My Mercury is at 23 Cap 4th

I have always felt this is my last go around in this capacity/reality,and as Pluto was doing it's dance on my Sun & Uranus on my Moon life took on an evolutionary change of pace.Cutting to the quick,my partner & i have had a very amazing occurrence just in our meeting for starters as she also has a cardinal cross,though not as strident as mine,with same moon & other planets on the other points,among a myriad of other factors.Tonight we went over your points from Virgo 22 to Leo 26 and it has blown our minds.She is hot on the Sabians and an excellent astrologer who far surpasses me but we are an excellent team.We cover many angles in our research and at this point we haven't even covered the Asteroid/stars factor relative to this idea of yours.Our Composite though has Pluto at 25 01 Leo 10th.Given the many other factors in our combined charts,this added dynamic supports what we consider to be a mission of great import in some other dimensions to all this.

I have not checked on where you've gone with this since the old post i found and was wondering if you have explored any more?AS you know sometimes the timing has to be on with the stars/planets.
I do plan on getting Rudyar's book & Dorothy Leon.This is all pretty fresh & we have been absorbed with many other things on our plates.I ll be checking your posts tomorrow.

I see you are in N Cal.I'm in N E Wash.I have a hard time outside the N W.Dont really care for the rest of the country.

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Hi Piercethevale,
Please excuse this entrance into this thread though the subject is on my radar with my partner & I in a curiously synchronous way,as we research Christ/Magdalen/Lilith.We tried to connect at the Dienst.She has posted in the Mary's chart thread.I tried to PM you here but the box is full.I am a new member and have not done a profile yet
& not a Troll,never been one & dont have the time or energy to waste,and welcome them to take me on.
I recently pasted part of your old post RE;True Path Of Discipleship 7/5:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=19550

to the Darkstarastrology site:
http://darkstarastrology.com/mars-retrograde/

In connection to this Mars Rx,when it was at Virgo 22 i some how came across your post & was really intrigued.I mean in a big way.So i started looking at charts,mainly mine & my partners.I am 62 and the owner of a cardinal G. Cross on the angles whose Sun at 4 54 Cap con IC 4th & Moon at 1 50 Aries con DC 7th & Uranus at 2 54 Can con MC 10th & Mars at 0 18 Libra con AS.My Mercury is at 23 Cap 4th

I have always felt this is my last go around in this capacity/reality,and as Pluto was doing it's dance on my Sun & Uranus on my Moon life took on an evolutionary change of pace.Cutting to the quick,my partner & i have had a very amazing occurrence just in our meeting for starters as she also has a cardinal cross,though not as strident as mine,with same moon & other planets on the other points,among a myriad of other factors.Tonight we went over your points from Virgo 22 to Leo 26 and it has blown our minds.She is hot on the Sabians and an excellent astrologer who far surpasses me but we are an excellent team.We cover many angles in our research and at this point we haven't even covered the Asteroid/stars factor relative to this idea of yours.Our Composite though has Pluto at 25 01 Leo 10th.Given the many other factors in our combined charts,this added dynamic supports what we consider to be a mission of great import in some other dimensions to all this.

I have not checked on where you've gone with this since the old post i found and was wondering if you have explored any more?AS you know sometimes the timing has to be on with the stars/planets.
I do plan on getting Rudyar's book & Dorothy Leon.This is all pretty fresh & we have been absorbed with many other things on our plates.I ll be checking your posts tomorrow.

I see you are in N Cal.I'm in N E Wash.I have a hard time outside the N W.Dont really care for the rest of the country.

Michael R
Thank you. I don't often get compliments and to get one such as this....I am at a loss for a word.,,or words...
If you've caught the latest addition to the concept of the 7 & the 5 about the, visible spectrum in application to it, then you are 'up to speed'.
I would like to recommend that you, and your 'partner', read the thread I have titled, "A Runic Explanation of the Zodiac", if you haven't already.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=13700

As the two of you seem very capable of recognizing truth when you see it, I have need to give any introduction or explanation to it, I'm quite sure. Besides, what I seem to have a gift for is spotting the obvious and stating it in the simplest terms...no matter how complex the 'mechanics'. [As can be understood from the Sabian Symbol for my Part of Intelligence in the 25th of Sag.].

I 've been banned from astrodienst since October 2008. This was having two online identities which I wasn't told was a violation..it was a necessity at the time because my computer had been 'confiscated' by HLS [electronically via the internet] and my bank acct. frozen so ...not knowing why or reason I hid out in various locales of No. Calif. for a few weeks until I found out that I wasn't in any immediate danger ...but during that time I used another persons computer to go online and as I certainly didn't want to use the online i.d. I had established with the dienst, I made a new one up...and got banned for it.
I tried to explain things to admin. there but they won't listen and ...besides, I think they view me as some sort of threat to them anyways.
I leave my pm mailbox full for a reason...and, as you've just proven ...I can be reached.
Let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything else I may be able to be of assistance.
Again, thank you so very much for the kind words and the encouragement.

ptv...Dave Mastry...aka, Devananda.

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Wow, apparently I really ******* up last July 15 [2011] I posted the wrong info as to the Part of Innocence [also called the Part of Law Suits, the Part of Disputes] and gave the results from someone elses' chart which happened to be the same degree as the natal Mars I get for Yeshua from this chart. The darn thing is that I didn't notice...[and, that no one called it to my attention.]
In my own defense I do wish to say i was still subject to a lot of grief and distraction from the unexpectedness of my mothers passing earlier last year and have caught a few 'gaffs' that I did as paying bills, sending letters to wrong addresses...things like that...it's a good thing I was back checking to see if I had written on the Hermetic Lots I derive from this chart as I wish to talk about them in the thread I started yesterday about the Hermetic Lots of Necessity, Courage and Victory...but first I need to correct this error. I have let the erroneous post remain with a .....
>>>>>'BLARING APOLOGY'<<<<
as a header...as I know a number of folks have read it and may get confused if I just delete it.
The correct calculation for the Part of Innocence for this chart comes to 12* Leo 53' ...the 13th degree of Leo...I am writing the post presently...and will add the aforementioned Hermetic Lots to my thread on that this same evening/morning/afternoon [depending on where you are ...it is 10:25 PM here in Calif. presently. thanks for being understanding..ptv
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The Part of Innocence. [Asc. + Mercury - Mars...it is the formula opposite that of the Part of Intelligence, that is Asc. + Mars - Mercury] It is that Part ...that Cosmic Precept of the 360 that one is most naive about...and Jesus/Yeshua was human and had his frailties too...just like the rest of us...[although to what amount of naivete...does remain elusive at this time... ]

it calculates to 12* Leo 53' ...i.e. the 13th degree of Leo

[from Rudhyar's book "An Astrological Mandalla"]

"AN OLD SEA CAPTAIN ROCKING HIMSELF ON THE PORCH OF HIS COTTAGE.

KEYNOTE: The quieted mind's recollections of crises and joys long past.

...maintaining the integrity of his individual selfhood while in close contact with the collective Unconscious. Now retired, he may try to distill wisdom from his many experiences and from his victories over elemental forces. The "swing" of the child-consciousness [the prior degree and symbol...ptv] has now become a "rocking chair" from which one can contemplate past as well as present scenes, gently moving as waves roll over the shore. Peace at last...
... Keyword: QUIET RECOLLECTION."

...well, now that makes a great deal more sense than what I had mistakenly posted...sounds to me that He had no chance or opportunity to take such a position...especially as to His overall existence through many incarnations...I believe He was fully informed and aware of every one of them and knew that this incarnation was the final act on this plane..no time for quiet and contemplative recollections...the Man had to be BUSY from the get go...IMHO...of course!
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Greetings.

I trust all you 'Truth Believers' just finished celebrating Jesus/Yeshuas' 2009th birthday this April 2nd and the 1977th Easter Sunday just past.

I did. Thank you.
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The progressed chart for Yeshua as of today...during my illness this past month I missed the Chart Axis Return.... Hmmmmmmm?
A very curious situation here

ps...i apologize to those of you that take exception to such a chart in composition... it is a bit radical a notion ... yet, I'm curious... ptv
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Progressed composite of Yeshua and USA natal charts for May 2, 2012...the Asc is nearly conj. USA natal Pluto @ 27* Capricorn 33' 56"

...like I've been saying... Change is coming....!


...other observations...the USA Part of Deceit, [False Love, Asc. + Venus - Neptune] is 01* Aquarius 18' 49"... conj. Venus
Yeshua natal Uranus is 08* Aries 12' 30" ....conj. Chiron
USA natal Vesta @ 19* Taurus 29' 26"... conj. Uranus
USA Part of Tragedy/Fatality @ 28* Cancer 33' 09" ...conj. North Node
USA natal Saturn @ 14* Libra 47' 04" ...conj. Saturn
USA natal Neptune @ 22* Libra 24' 27" ...conj Juno [and USA natal Desc. @ 21* Libra 29' 23"]
USA natal Part of Disappointment [Asc. + Mars - Neptune] @ 19* Capricorn 58' 20" ...conj Pallas
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Well, this is way cool...this thread reached 10,000 views today...my birth day... thanks for all your interest and support!
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Well, this is interesting.
As I pointed out above pertaining to Eris...my recent enlightenment that there is an asteroid name for Parsival, which I have been 'playing with' [as some of you that follow other threads of mine do know of] on a 'lark' gave me rise to check it's position tonight as i wanted to refresh my memory as to where Eris was on the birth.
Parsival was conj. the 14th degree of Aries!

...gollygeewhiz!...
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Not that it is pertinent to this thread ...or that it may be pertinent to anything at all, for that matter, but today while reviewing my brothers chart I thought that I'd recast it and see where the asteroid Parsival was then...and, it was smack dab on His natal Sun, conjunct by less than 2' of a degree...go figure...


...this asteroid named [by who knows] "Parsival" ...is getting either more interesting or more annoying...I haven't decided which.:uns ure:
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[I apologize for having deleted most of this thread...to many trolls and I didn't have enough time to deal with them....here is a link to another site where-in I give a good introductory to this material...once you've read that ...please feel free to join in the discussion here...thanks...ptv....aka David Mastrogiovanni aka Dave Mastry aka Devananda]

http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=196
"Devananda"? You're funny!!! Do you know Jesus' birth chart?

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I'd like all to be aware of this event tomorrow, Sept. 17, 2012.
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It was eight years ago this evening that I finally obtained this birth chart. Eight long but very eventful years.
I am only going to be posting here at this forum until the end of this year as 'The Guides' have let me know that it is time to quit this forum and all other forums.
I may get my own website...I've been talking about it for some time now...but I've yet to ask if that is permissible. [as the message I got was a bit ambiguous.] If I do I will post one last time in the announcement forum...and if it does happen I hope to hear from all of you that have belief in this chart for the 'Essene Supreme'.
I do hope that enough of you have 'gotten it' by now in understanding that by using His chart as a template for understanding that Sabian Symbology is not only a valid practice ...it rocks the house.
This natal chart of Yeshu'a substantiated [validated] Dane Rudhyar's chart axis interpretation technique and revealed that Astrological Parts can be interpreted through the Sabian symbols too, and it proved that the Trans-Saturnian Planets also combine and indicate Parts [or Lots] and some of the more interesting and consequential of all the Astrological Parts,,,such as the Parts of Transformation, Imprisonment, Catastrophe, Termination, Repression...and even more, that they should be analyzed and one should get real familiar with them...in fact, without doing so your missing about half the knowledge and understanding that one could obtain by doing so. If I could utilize only one technique in Astrology and had to discard the rest...I would definitely choose Sabian Symbolic interpretations.
This natal chart also lead to the discovery that matrices, both complete at natal and incomplete are of life long influence [as the Septile Matrix in this natal chart demonstrated,] and that one should watch for transits and progressions that conj. those matrix points that are completed and those that are awaiting to be completed and then become active for the time span of that event while in conj. and orb of aspect [a one degree aspect...Parts are something abstract and inert and can't/don't seek to put out an influence...they just are...kind of like a 'land mine' waiting for someone or something to 'Step on it'.]

...and I wish to remind all of you that 'can see it' in this chart to remember that it was Pluto that gave me the key piece of the puzzle as all I did was take the date Edgar Cayce gave for Yeshu'a's birth and 'dialed it in' to when Pluto was on the Asc.
If you discredit Pluto and neglect using it in the natal chart you're only cheating yourself...and the client if you do Astrology for others, either professionally or just for the interest of it.
Remember there are some that post at forums like these only to post lies...as information is power and those that bow to the 'Great Antagonist' will do His bidding. To quote Hoyt Axton from one of His songs; "The Devil is a joker and He don't want you alive." Much less alive and knowledgeable.

I've got so many threads going and as I've got less than two months to post I don't know if I will have anything further to contribute to this particular thread, I'm giving priority to requests for those that appeal for chart understanding. Reason being is that to convince a person of these techniques through their own natal chart is the surest way to add numbers to this 'Fifth Column' of Astrologers...i.e. Sabian Astrologers that utilize Rudhyarian techniques...those that will always see a natal chart as a 'Divine Creation' that is ultimately benevolent, taking a 'Process Oriented Approach" [...and I do so recommend Dane and Leyla Rael's book "Astrological Aspects. A Process Oriented Approach", along with His book on the Sabian symbols, "An Astrological Mandala",and his first book on Astrology [that was selected as one of the One Hundred Most Important Books of the 20th Century by the New York Times] "The Astrology of Personality"... and just about any and every other book he ever wrote ...and if by chance you come across a very small, soft cover, book {pamphlet would be the better term here} reminiscent of Ram Das' "Be Here Now" ...as it is a book of Illustrations as much as words... a book called, "A Seed", get ahold of it and don't let go... for one reason it is so rare that I don't think it is mentioned, still as of yet, any where on the internet and will probably be somewhat valuable someday if it isn't already...the other reason is that they are Dane's last words to us all before He passed on ...giving us a hunch as to what He foresaw coming relatively soon... I believe 'A Seed" was published between 1976 & 78 ...I had a copy in the late 70s ...in fact it was the first book I ever read and owned of Danes...I had never heard of Dane prior to 1977 and didn't get into Astrology until the summer of '84 nor did I read anything else by Dane till then.]

...and I do so recommend reading "Edgar Cayce's Story of Jesus. {America's Sleeping Prophet Offers His Unique Interpretation Of The Greatest Story Ever Told.} Selected, Arranged and Edited by Jeffrey Furst, copyright 1968 by the Edgar Cayce Foundation. Also I highly recommend "Edgar Cayce's Story of the Origin and Destiny of Man", edited and arranged by Lytle Robinson [which is currently out of print...but do so try to hunt down a copy or two...I've owned about a half dozen of them...If I loan them out, they never come back so I now give them away when that rare individual appears that asks the right questions indicating they are ready for such understanding...but as it is out of print and I haven't one copy for myself...if you do acquire two...let me know and I'll buy the extra from you.

Keep your eyes on the Stars and your faith in God. ptv
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