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[unimatrix]

Basel would be interesting, but when i look at yesterdays matches , Liverpool and Hearts...
Ess Digs. for Venus are bad today (good for the darker teams), don't know if its enough to beat the lighter teams.

[banefranco]

There is one thing in the chart Bilbao-Real. AMoon conjunct POF but in separating conjunction from about 2 degrees. I do not count any separate aspect in this matter so Real is standing better when axis changes in JU-ME, Than in the second half Real is significantly better in both dignities also POF conjuncts POF in the beginning of the second half. It is all at Real side.
This is only if Real is lighter , white.

[banefranco]

Well I have doubts about Lazio AMoon conjuncts POF but POF conjuncts later ruler Mercury direct.
Also Basel chart you have Moon op POF that aspect happens in the halftime but moon is weak and also VOC so dignities shows Basel to score 1X.
Barcelona as Barcelona. But there are some critical aspects I do not know but I count on Moon VOC in this case.
Bilbao - Real X2
Valence it is not clear chart.

[unimatrix]

Originally Posted by banefranco

Well I have doubts about Lazio AMoon conjuncts POF but POF conjuncts later ruler Mercury direct.
Also Basel chart you have Moon op POF that aspect happens in the halftime but moon is weak and also VOC so dignities shows Basel to score 1X.
Barcelona as Barcelona. But there are some critical aspects I do not know but I count on Moon VOC in this case.
Bilbao - Real X2
Valence it is not clear chart.

Unfortunately the odds for Real X and Basel X are ridicolous.
Lets hope for tomorrow.

[banefranco]

Originally Posted by unimatrix

Basel would be interesting, but when i look at yesterdays matches , Liverpool and Hearts...
Ess Digs. for Venus are bad today (good for the darker teams), don't know if its enough to beat the lighter teams.

I don't have these values in ranges covered. . Now I will have them also with aspects of Moon. I do not know I am disappointed for today. But from tommorow I hope will be interesting matches in the evening.

[banefranco]

Ok just to be mentioned:
Bordeaux 2:0 darker, won by dignities, POF op Mars ( testimony to lose)
Caen 1:0 darker, won by dignities, POF op Mars (testimony to lose)
Basel 2:1 darker, won by dignities, POF op Moon exact in haltime (testimony to lose)
Lazio 1:1 lighter, draw by dignities, POF conj ME (testimony to win)
Valence 4:0 lighter, won by dignities, POF conj ME (testimony to win)
Barcelona 4:1, darker, won by dignities, POF op Moon (testimony to lose)
Real 0:3, lighter, won by dignities, POF conj ME ( testimony to win)

These so called testimonies for win have their values and just aspects for scoring goals nothing else. But I have not checked them all.
It is at least correct if somebody writes something to defend what he wrote. I expected Mr. Fake John to give explanations but you have to have courage to face your own fakes.
In this way there is a lot of job to make all things at the right place.
So what is the most important? Dignities and their values. Then POF to rulers, then rulers to cusps, and Moon . Yes there are some positions when it is useful. Last Moon aspect .....

[unimatrix]

I've got a question about the ViaCombusta Value.

For Example: Saturn
Free from combustion and Sun beams: +5
in 10th house: +5
= +10

Now, Saturn is Via Combusta:

Free from combustion and Sun beams: -5
in 10th house: -5
= -10 ?

or

Free from combustion and Sun beams: +5 -5 = 0
in 10th house: +5 -5 = 0

= 0 ?

Which calculation is correct?

[banefranco]

Check the matches in early January when Saturn was in the 4th house and won against Sun in the 5th when stays in 4th and loses form the Sun when changing house to 3rd. Or Sun changed house from 6th to 5th house. That is the time I found that some value missed. And Saturn was Via Combusta and also Rx. The differences in dignities was as I remmeber 5 points. So -5 points.

[banefranco]

What was the point? In one range line the differences show Saturn as winner but when it change house -5 points missed to get the value to lose the match and it lost the match. Under values without -5 points Saturn had to win but when it lost it was clear that one value missed.

[unimatrix]

Hmm... I was confused because in your Dignities table are two red "F" under "Free fromcombustion and Sun's beams" and "In 10th or 1st house", so i thought: red F = -5 for each aspect

Ok, just one example(don't worry, it's not a problematic match ):

Chelsea(darker) vs. Bolton (lighter) 3:0, 25.02.12, 16:00 CET

Chelsea - Saturn:

in 4th house: 4
Free: 5
oriental: 2
Retrograde: -5
Slow in Motion (-5%): -2
= 4

Now i count -5 because Saturn is Via Combusta:
in 4th house: 4 -5 = -1
Free: 5
oriental: 2
Retrograde: -5
Slow in Motion (-5%): -2
= -1


When Saturn moves into the 3th house:
in 3th house: 1
Free: 5
oriental: 2
Retrograde: -5
Slow in Motion (-5%): -2
= 1


I hope it's correct.

[banefranco]

Red F = Negative value for Part of Fortune which is the same in numeric like for planets.
But wher you have e.g black F-3 and in the field beside is -4 those values differs and -3 is for F (POF) and -4 for Partile aspect.

[banefranco]

At the same table at the bottom you have values in about POF strength depending in which sign is located , like essential dignity .

[banefranco]

Originally Posted by unimatrix

When Saturn moves into the 3th house:
in 3th house: 1
Free: 5
oriental: 2
Retrograde: -5
Slow in Motion (-5%): -2
= 1


I hope it's correct.

Where is -5 for Via Combusta when Saturn is in the 3rd house?
BTW you have at the same table below also the table of the speeds of the planets.

[unimatrix]

Ok , i understand. The red "F" confused me. Now it's clear, thanks.

[banefranco]

Somebody want to predict quick these matches tonight?
Boulogne - Laval, Boulogne home, darker
Chateroux-Tours, Chateroux home darker
Clermont - Sedan, Clermon home darker

or on 6th May

Fulham-Sunderland, Fulham home lighter

[unimatrix]

Originally Posted by banefranco

Somebody want to predict quick these matches tonight?
Boulogne - Laval, Boulogne home, darker
Chateroux-Tours, Chateroux home darker
Clermont - Sedan, Clermon home darker

Boulogne 1X
Chateroux 1X
Clermont Chart is wrong also 1X

Mars is moving late into the 9th house - Good for the darker teams.

[banefranco]

I placed the wrong chart from my database, sorry.

[banefranco]

Originally Posted by unimatrix

Boulogne 1X
Chateroux 1X
Clermont Chart is wrong also 1X

Mars is moving late into the 9th house - Good for the darker teams.

Moon VOC, Moon conjunction L4, Moon op POF , that is too much.
There is the rule ''when Moon is in VOC'' but....
Tommorow Whole German league is up and down. What to predict?
I hate when I fail so stupid.

[unimatrix]

Originally Posted by unimatrix

Boulogne 1X
Chateroux 1X
Clermont Chart is wrong also 1X

Mars is moving late into the 9th house - Good for the darker teams.

Everything went as expected besides Chateroux. Mars MC: 1 : 2 75. (Tours).
Exact when Mars changed Dignities. So a smart Astrologer would be out of the game before Mars moved into the 9th house.

[banefranco]

Originally Posted by unimatrix

Everything went as expected besides Chateroux. Mars MC: 1 : 2 75. (Tours).
Exact when Mars changed Dignities. So a smart Astrologer would be out of the game before Mars moved into the 9th house.

This was not live betting. I hoped that tours will not score goal in the first minutes but they scored exactly. The Moon VOC brings sometimes unexpected outcomes and that is not for predicting....
Fulam is for sure 1X . But German league.....

[unimatrix]

Originally Posted by banefranco

The Moon VOC brings sometimes unexpected outcomes and that is not for predicting....

I always forget to check Moon VOC...

P.S.: Uff, there is a lot of matches for tommorrow...

[banefranco]

Originally Posted by unimatrix

I always forget to check Moon VOC...

P.S.: Uff, there is a lot of matches for tommorrow...

I wrote about that within this thread . So when this happens you can predict matches where home teams has better dignities but without opposite aspects like Moon and POF, AMoon and APOF. These are aspects for goal and can be scored on the way that can change prediction. Let say just clear matches. Than there is no miss.

[grouch]

hey guys ,any views on who will lift the FA cup tommorrow?
Liverpool vs Chelsea (on neutral ground,Wembley)
thanks.

[banefranco]

I would not treat that match like at neutral ground. London is home city of Chelsea. But I cannot say who is in lighter jerseys. That is my problem with blue and red but if Chelsea's blue is lighter I am thinking about the overcome 1-1.

[unimatrix]

Nice Sunday (German Bundesliga 2 and of course Fulham), thanks to Virgo