My first horary question. Can anyone interpret it?

[malvia]

Hello community, i'm new here (posting) but have read many interesting threads here, which are very useful in my life.

This is my first post and my first time trying a Horary question. I have tried to interpret it myself, but unfortunately my astrology skills are not yet in such a high level.

The question refers to my love life, as I want to know if me and my boyfriend will get together again, and if this current separation (nearly 2 months now) will indeed get us back together in a stronger union.

I'm sending in attachment the horary chart.

Hope that someone can help me on finding answers for this mystery.

Thank you very much!

[Erickaf]

The point of the horary board is for you to try to interpret first before anyone else can help you.

[misskitty]

Oh boy, now the mods are going to say that "no this isn't required, etc etc." But yes, it really does help if you at least point out the significators and show you are attempting learn Malvia. It isn't required, but you tend to get more responses just fyi.

[dr. farr]

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

-querent = 1st house = Libra = Venus
-boyfriend = 7th house = Aries = Mars
-Mars in querent's 12th house shows current seperated, blocked, restricted relationship with the boyfriend
-Mars retrograde = indication of boyfriend changing his mind re querent = + testimony
-Mars retrogrades toward querent significator Venus = his thoughts turning toward querent
-Venus flows toward Mars = + testimony
-Venus/Mars not in applying aspect (however in 3 degrees for Venus there will be an applying trine between Venus/Mars) so I give this neutral testimony
-Moon (querent's co-significator) flows away from Mars (-) but applies to a semi-sextile (non-major aspect) to Mars (+) = net neutral testimony
-Part of Love (ascendant+venus-sun) falls @ 2 Sagittarius
a) in same sign as Lucky Strike NN = + testimony
b) Moon flows toward the POL = + testimony
c) Mars retrogrades away from the POL = - testimony
d) Venus flows away from the POL = - testimony

Results:
Positive = + 4 testimonies
Negative = - 2 testimonies
Net = +2 testimonies

...with a net +2 testimonies I delineate this to mean that there is a very good chance that there will be a re-union and that querent and boyfriend will get back together again in the relatively near future (likely within the next few months)

[wintersprite1]

Hello all,

It is best to remember that even though many of us spend much time here on the forum, a first attempt or posting member may not know the rules. It is NOT required to interpret in anyway from the OP. The moderators do need to get involved when rules are not followed, so I am not sure the need to make it sound like a bad thing.

TK

[dhundhun]

Answer seems to be negative.

Before 1st lord (Venus) and 7th lord (Mars) perfect aspect to each other, Jupiter comes in between (Prohibition). Although there may be effort from both of you to come together.

Chart shows effort from both side, so, I wish this reading to be wrong.

Good luck.

[dr. farr]

This prohibition of the developing trine between Venus and Mars is why I gave this "future" aspect a "neutral" testimony value in my Ankara delineation of the horary question. However, the prohibition is a quite valid point. In the alternative Ankara method, however, a totality of testimonies approach is used at arriving at the final (projected) determination-use of this "totality of testimonies" method differentiates Ankara (actually Ottoman horary is the accurate term) from other horary methods.

[malvia]

I would like to thank you all very much for reading my chart.

I didn´t write so much about my own interpretation, but I had an idea that venus trine mars could show a strong connection between us two, and the moon in the 12th could reflect some isolation, and the part of love close to NN can say something about the future.

About that prohibition (Jupiter) is there anything else that can be said, like how long this situation (separation) will last?
My boyfriend has some problems with alcohol abuse, and that lead to this separation. I think that being apart from me might take him to reflect on what's really important in his life. Can this horary chart show if that problem will be solved, and we will make it toghether?

I'm sorry if I'm making to many questions, but this "technical" language of horary astrology is still a bit difficult for me to understand.

Kind Regards,

[dr. farr]

My delineation is that prospects are favorable for getting back with the boyfriend over the next few months; whether or not the alcohol problem might be improved, would, in my opinion, require a new and specific question to that effect.

[malvia]

Thank you very much Dr. Farr!

I made the question: Will he get over the alcohol addiction?

Here is that chart in attachment, could you be kind to give me a clue about this serious problem?

Best Regards,

[misskitty]

Originally Posted by wintersprite1

Hello all,

It is best to remember that even though many of us spend much time here on the forum, a first attempt or posting member may not know the rules. It is NOT required to interpret in anyway from the OP. The moderators do need to get involved when rules are not followed, so I am not sure the need to make it sound like a bad thing.

TK

Oh I didn't mean to make it sound like a bad thing at all, I was just pointing out that we have this conversation all the time on the board and it always ends up the same.

[malvia]

Hello Dr. Farr, could you please tell me (according to this horary chart) when we will be back together, how many months?

We have been together a few couple of times since this horary chart was created, but not reconciled our union, which is my wish. Does the chart point to a real reconciliation?

Hope that your answers will help me understand better this process.

Kind Regards,

[bittermoon]

the original chart indicates a 'no' to me... saturn rx in 1st, VOC moon. nothing will come of the matter.

[rafaella]

I agree with Bittermoon, according to traditional western horary, there is no change to the situation for now. Attempts seem to be made by both, yes. Both Venus and Mars are moving towards a trine, but Jupiter does come in between. Jupiter though is a benefic, it could be that you will remain friends and not completely cut off. But Jupiter also rules 6th house...health/lifestyle issues may come in between.

Venus has much dignity here and Mars doesn't, I think the choice to get back with him will fall on you. Peregrine Mars (him) is just roaming around. You asked if the separation from each other will bring you back stronger, so I believe if you do get back together, there would be no change to how he is and Void Moon is probably showing this.

Moon is void currently and in the 12th, very much isolated and alone. That may be how you feeling. Moon will eventually conjucnt Rx but dignified Saturn.

Rx Saturn in the 1st does point to a negative development here, or at least a huge huge delay.

I am curious to see how a benefic such as Jupiter in this chart prohibits in actual life, so please do update us...

[dr. farr]

Originally Posted by malvia

Hello Dr. Farr, could you please tell me (according to this horary chart) when we will be back together, how many months?

We have been together a few couple of times since this horary chart was created, but not reconciled our union, which is my wish. Does the chart point to a real reconciliation?

Hope that your answers will help me understand better this process.

Kind Regards,

Time estimate: taking Mars to represent the relationship (as lord of 7th house) and using the CHART (not ephemeris) direction of Mars, time estimate is based upon when Mars in the chart retrogrades around to conjunction with the Part of Love (@ 2 Sagittarius)-this = 9 units, so the time estimate is between 9 weeks and 9 months, from the date of the chart.

By the way, did I PM you re to the alcohol question?

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

For the first chart, the answer seems like a no. Saturn retrograde in the first tends to destroy the matter, the Moon is void of course, and even though the two significators retrograde back towards each other, Jupiter gets in the way and cuts off the connection. I think it's pretty interesting that you mention his alcohol addiction and Jupiter is the lord of the turned 12th which represents his self-undoing and addictions.

[malvia]

Dear Dr. Farr,
I'm not sure what PM means?
Regarding his addiction, the answer was no, and you have suggested that I asked again that question after Mars turns direct motion, so I will wait and ask again at that time.

Now regarding this thread, which was my first question (If we will get back together) I'm a bit confused now, because the answers seem to be different according to members of the community.
The answer from you Dr. Farr pointed to a YES for us reuniting, should I wait some time and ask again, or does this first chart indicate a positive answer. Sorry for insisting on this matter but I'm confused...
Thank you very much for your interest in my question, Dr Farr.

Kind Regards,

[malvia]

I would like to thank all for taking time to read this horary chart.

The first chart that I have posted was in Placidus system, and therefor (I guess) the opinions of the members point to different answers.

Will post the chart in Whole sign system, and would ask kindly for new thoughts about it.

Thank you very much for your time and knowledge.

Kind Regards,

[dr. farr]

Originally Posted by malvia

Dear Dr. Farr,
I'm not sure what PM means?
Regarding his addiction, the answer was no, and you have suggested that I asked again that question after Mars turns direct motion, so I will wait and ask again at that time.

Now regarding this thread, which was my first question (If we will get back together) I'm a bit confused now, because the answers seem to be different according to members of the community.
The answer from you Dr. Farr pointed to a YES for us reuniting, should I wait some time and ask again, or does this first chart indicate a positive answer. Sorry for insisting on this matter but I'm confused...
Thank you very much for your interest in my question, Dr Farr.

Kind Regards,

Hello!
PM means private message function available here on the AW forum.
I wondered if I had delineated the alchohol question for you-apparently I have done so.

The first chart would still be valid, and a subsequent re-asking of the same question (re-uniting) before allowing several months to have gone by, would not be a valid question.

Yes there are different answers to your first chart question: the majority have given a negative answer to the question, I have given a positive answer to that same question. This kind of thing does happen in horary, there occasionally being a difference in the final conclusion reached about a question among the various practitioners; in my case this happens a bit more often, because I use a DIFFERENT horary method than the (great) majority of our horary friends, who use standard or Traditionalist horary methods (that's why I attach a disclaimer to this effect at the head of all of my horary delineations here on AW)

[malvia]

Thank your for your answer Dr. Farr.

I will wait and see what happens to our relationship, when Mars turns direct I will ask about his addiction, because that's the main issue for this separation.

I'm not sure if I will be happy together with this person, guess time will help me to get to a conclusion. Sometimes it's difficult to wait though...but I believe that the process is often more important then the goal.

Thank you for spending time with my question, and sharing your knowledge!

Kind Regards,

[malvia]

Dear member,
I have posted a second chart (in whole sign system), could you please give an interpretation for that one?
Some aspects change, and i'm curious to hear your opinion.

Thank you in advanced.