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Old 04-07-2012, 10:28 AM
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Countries by sign

Hi all!

Wondering what peoples opinions are on Asian countries and their equivalent star signs, both in Western astrological classification and Chinese/Asian lunar-sign classification?

I'm basically trying to plan some travelling, down-the-line and would be interested to know where I should head, or put my current language focus? I'm especially interested in the 'oriental' countries of east/south-east asia, and would like to know which ones would correspond closest to my sun sign. I know it's a major over-generalisation, but inspiration helps motivate action..!

Remember, provide reasons why you think the countries you mention correspond to the signs you list! Is it historical? Political? Cultural?

Would be great to hear from as many people as possible! Don't confine yourself to Asia if you don't want, either!

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Old 04-07-2012, 01:06 PM
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Re: Countries by sign

funny topic

i take this topic as a joke, all i said is to make it more funny

so do not be serious about it

then i give my idea on 3 countries here

reason is base on traditional things

china - libra - because it always balance so many things, balance income and pay, balance friends and foes, balance truth and falsehood...

japan - scopio - because it always run to the extreme things, extreme friendly, extreme agressive, extreme earnest, extreme unfeeling...

india - virgo - because it always argue so many things, argue god and mortal, argue born and made, argue leader and follower...

and i think sun sign things can not be counted if you do want to travel in asia, you should think about what you already have and what you want to get in your travelling.

so have a good time.
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Old 04-07-2012, 03:01 PM
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I see iii. That is very interesting to me, the way you view these nations.

I have noticed some astrology websites say that certain countries have certain signs, so I decided to ask the experts on this forum!

I hope to find somewhere to travel that no one in my family has ever visited. I decided on Asia because I think it will become very expensive very soon, so best to see it early!
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Old 04-07-2012, 04:32 PM
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Re: Countries by sign

So, if a country had a Sun sign, what would it be? This reminds me of an anime show (cartoons created by the Japanese) called Hetalia. Hetalia basically personifies countries. Based on how the anime/manga portrayed the countries, I am going to say:

America - Aries
Italy - Libra
France - Leo
England - Leo/Aries/Pisces (He's hard to classify)
Canada - Pisces
Germany - Taurus
China - Libra
Greece - Dare I say, Aquarius
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Old 04-07-2012, 05:34 PM
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Re: Countries by sign

Well, the idea is that different countries and parts of the world are governed or signified by certain signs. Aries represents Judea, Leo represents Italy, etc. The problem with these assignments now is that they're somewhat outdated. Many of the places in those lists no longer exist as their own entity or are now parts of larger countries, so it becomes difficult and confusing. Also note that the quarters of the world were not divided evenly among the hemispheres, but were marked by the Strait of Hercules. Asia itself falls into the NorthEast hemisphere by this assessment and belongs to the Earthy Triplicity, but which individual sign would be used to signify them is pretty difficult to say, this would be the case for the Americas too.

A common way to tell what sign would be signify a city is to get its natal chart and use the sign ascending, this is how London became associated with Gemini. I'm not sure if there's a similar method for countries.
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Old 04-09-2012, 05:44 AM
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Umm... I would recommend the book "World Horoscopes" by Nicholas Campion ... he kind of goes over what every country's sun sign is ... since every country actually does have a sun sign according to when it was formed... for instance, the USA is actually a Cancer ... uhh, ya know... like July 4... Indeed, the Peoples' Republic of China was created on "National Day" - October 1, 1949, and it's sun is at almost 8 degrees Libra ... After World War II Japan regained sovereignty from the US of A on 28, April, 1952 - Modern Japan is a Taurus, but Imperial Japan was an Aquarius ... Modern Germany is also a Libra since it reunited on 3 October, 1990 ... yeah, like I said, check out Campion's "World Horoscopes", it might be best to actually check out the dates when countries were established rather than baselessly speculating what their possible sun sign is... just my opinion...
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Old 04-12-2012, 07:54 AM
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Appreciate the recommendation, Mystical Communism! However, I'd qualify Campion's initial hypothesis by clarifying my original motive for starting the thread:

I'd be visiting the chosen country(...ies?) as a means to better understand the culture and way of life the indigenous peoples there. As such, perhaps it's best to look at the land-mass, or the culture, rather than the political formation of a current system of government, or arbitrary geographic location? Because of this I think your input is as valid as Rainbow's or iii's, but not necessarily moreso.

Regardless, I'm currently watching the first two series of Hetalia... lol! I'll check out Campion's book as soon as I can invest time into another text. Could be a while, though.

Any other countries-by-sign lists out there? I'm especially interested in East Asia, South America and Africa, although really anywhere anyone cares to mention is cool.

Need to see the world, before I get too old, or it becomes too impractical.
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Old 04-12-2012, 08:06 AM
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Re: Countries by sign

Although I follow a radically different approach to localizations (and, indeed, to mundane) which I won't go into here, I can state that the books by M. Penfield are outstanding astro-data collections far surpassing in quality and veracity, those of other authors.
These books are available from astromerica.com and other internet sources:

Mark Penfield:

+"Horoscopes of Asia, Australia and the Pacific"

+"Horoscopes of Africa"

+"Horoscopes of Latin America"

..best such information available!!
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:52 AM
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Re: Countries by sign

sorry for interuption, but i feel that if there is a real sign for each nation or country, its sign can not be counted as government foundation date, because if its sign is real, the real sign only has one sign.

so i think it is wrong to chart a country's sign according to such method, and if it must be charted as some sign such as libra or leo things, the only factor to be counted is the country's location.

that is to say, if the earth as a whole horoscope, each country as its signs, then the countries in the eastern direction such as east asia should be the eastern signs, that is, sag, sco, lib; western direction such as europe is western signs, that is, gem, tau, ari; and things like that.

but also a new problem comes out... where is the so called direction based on? that is to say, which point on the map is the center? if you check the world map, you can find that this center is not exist. so there is only rough direction, such as asia as east and europe as west, but it is just the common scence. most countries lie on north to the equator, so the center must not on the equator, and that is why it is just a joke to say which country is which sign...
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sorry for interuption, but i feel that if there is a real sign for each nation or country, its sign can not be counted as government foundation date, because if its sign is real, the real sign only has one sign.

so i think it is wrong to chart a country's sign according to such method, and if it must be charted as some sign such as libra or leo things, the only factor to be counted is the country's location.

that is to say, if the earth as a whole horoscope, each country as its signs, then the countries in the eastern direction such as east asia should be the eastern signs, that is, sag, sco, lib; western direction such as europe is western signs, that is, gem, tau, ari; and things like that.
I am not sure if I agree with this at all. At first I thought I partially agreed with it, as Africa has always been traditionally associated with Cancer, India with Capricorn and Anatolia (at least according to Ptolemy) with Taurus ... it is important to note that the various luminaries usually did not agree on which geographical areas of the world were associated with which signs ... for example ... and most of this is taken from maps in the appendix of Campion's book, Manilus around 0 A.D. associated India with Gemini, Italy with Libra in the North and Sagittarius in the South, Anatolia with Aries in the North and Virgo in the South. As for Africa, Manilus only associates everything South of of Nubia with Cancer, while listing Scorpio in the North West and Aries around Lower Egypt.

Now we look at Ptolemy's geographical listings around 120 AD - China and India are listed as Capricorn, Upper and Lower egypt as Gemini and Libra respectively, Northwestern Africa with Cancer, Italy almost entirely with Leo (only the area around with what is today Genoa with Sagittarius) and Western Anatolia with Taurus, Northern with Cancer and Southern with Pisces. In a similar way, looking at William Lily's maps of geographical rulership, while yielding some agreements with Manilus and Ptolemy, for example, North Africa still being Cancer, Central Italy is now labelled as Taurus, and all of Anatolia is Leo...

What is the reason for this? In my opinion the zodiacal signs which rule a geographical area are primarily dictated by the type of regime in power - for example 14 July, 1789 and 4 July, 1776 both have made the USA and France Cancers - nations "of the People" (more or less).

After all - qualities of nations are made by the people who are a part of them and their particular religious or political ideologies ... is it any wonder that Nazi Germany began in Aquarius (Aquarius the waterbearer -also known as "The Great One" - hence the Nazi obsession with the idea of them being the "Ubermensch" or "Supermen") whereas East Germany began under Libra - at least ideologically striving for socialist equality (definitely an afflicted Libra regardless).

So, while there may be some underlying factors (but again, what are they?) which determine what the "real sign" of a geographic locale is, I feel it is usually overridden and determined more by the flow of time, and the course of historical events over time.
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While we talk country signs, the Soviet Union and USSR was a Scorpio(the date Oct. 25, but was moved to Nov. 7 in the Gregorian calendar adopted in Russia) to stand for oppression, given opportunity, self-defense by its Red Army the world witnessed in WW2 and their demise in the early 1990s.

The Parans is used to determine a locale's zodiac at the descendant sign on sundown of a given date, or the 4th house at dusk and at the 7th house at midnight: for example, the sign of the Nazi regime in Germany was Taurus (or Aries) with an aggressive nature, a thirst for war, the worship of oneself or cult of personality of a dictator Adolf Hitler, and caused by Aquarius, feeble Liberalism combined with a hyper-reactionary militarist authoritarian party.

Meanwhile the Communist Soviets had Aquarius - to stand for an urge to be in charge "by people" but not by direct election, to be quite radical or progressive, rejection of capitalism or materialism, and sought to break from traditional societal norms (i.e. state atheism and repression of organized religion like the Russian orthodox church).
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While we talk country signs, the Soviet Union and USSR was a Scorpio(the date Oct. 25, but was moved to Nov. 7 in the Gregorian calendar adopted in Russia) to stand for oppression, given opportunity, self-defense by its Red Army the world witnessed in WW2 and their demise in the early 1990s.

The Parans is used to determine a locale's zodiac at the descendant sign on sundown of a given date, or the 4th house at dusk and at the 7th house at midnight: for example, the sign of the Nazi regime in Germany was Taurus (or Aries) with an aggressive nature, a thirst for war, the worship of oneself or cult of personality of a dictator Adolf Hitler, and caused by Aquarius, feeble Liberalism combined with a hyper-reactionary militarist authoritarian party.

Meanwhile the Communist Soviets had Aquarius - to stand for an urge to be in charge "by people" but not by direct election, to be quite radical or progressive, rejection of capitalism or materialism, and sought to break from traditional societal norms (i.e. state atheism and repression of organized religion like the Russian orthodox church).
Sounds interesting. I have never heard of the Parans before, but I just read up about it from here

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Paranatellonta are stars or star groups that fall upon angles at the same time that a significant constellation or planet is also upon the angles. They are viewed as attendants. In ancient astrology the term was also applied to the constellations that ascended with the zodiacal decans.

In modern astrology the term Paran (short for Paranatellonta) is generally used to describe stars or planets that are angular as a planet hits the ascendant, MC, Descendant or IC. For example, the parans of Mercury would be those stars or planets that were rising, culminating, descending of located upon the IC at the same time that Mercury is in any or those positions. Thus if the fixed star Regulus culminates on the Midheaven as Mercury rises on the ascendant it is referred to as a paran of Mercury and considered to have an influence upon its meaning.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/paran.html

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The Parans is used to determine a locale's zodiac at the descendant sign on sundown of a given date, or the 4th house at dusk and at the 7th house at midnight
I can understand the DC at sundown, but why "the 4th house at dusk" isn't "dusk" just another word for when the sun is progressing below the DC? And again, why would it be the cusp of the 7th house again at midnight when the 7th house cusp is just another name for the DC? Seems like it would make more sense if it was the MC at Noon, DC at dusk, IC at midnight and AC at sunrise ... in any case, I checked where the Sun at "dusk" was on January 30, 1933, the day Hitler came to power, and of course Aquarius was on the 7th house ... the only way you can get Taurus for Nazi Germany is if you take Hitler's birthday, or some other day in Taurus via this Paran method of yours for the chart of a particular regime, which I still think is a lot less accurate than just taking the day a particular government was established or regime came to power as what indicates the sign of a particular country. Like I said above, what is a country besides its people and the particular ideologies it holds, or is duped by?

Here is the Parans chart at Sundown for 1/30/33, Berlin http://imagebin.org/208299

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