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Old 02-11-2012, 12:41 AM
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Re: Depression

the worst part of this is that I started to see some innocence,
and i was starting to feel some joy from this..

I don't mean to make it all about me eughter, because these are questions many many people will have to ask themselves in their lives.

Please stop fighting, please don't pont your fingers.
This (out of all forums) is NOT the place for that.

Did PersephonesDawn seriously get banned for this??



Claire, how do i do a chart like that? i used to know it, but I cant remember
and also i am not kidding, - exhausted !!
Please tell me how I can do it?

Anyway,
I was born 29.08.89 at 08.18 in the morning
I was born in the city of lillehammer, Norway,
but I now reside in Oslo, norway



Please, all of you, i'd like for this to be a sharing and caring talk to one another, and please come back,
cause I'd love someone who can guide me thru the fog.


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Everything anybody has said to Vix on this thread has been said out of sheer good will and kindness, even if people do have different perspectives on the situation. Kimbermoon, I was not "invalidating" your experience. The fact that anti-depressants have worked in your case is inherently valid and I am very pleased for you. In an attempt to clarify some facts, I seem to have stepped on your toes by my approach to this. I admit my approach was slightly forceful. My intention was never to pi*s you off and I apologise if this has been the result of my actions. I hope that you can accept my apology so that we can move on from a misunderstanding between two people who were both trying only to help. Peace?

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Old 02-11-2012, 11:32 AM
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Re: Depression

Just to set the record straight.

I don't really eat, because food no longer tastes nice (!), - and because
not eating makes me feel like I still have some control over myself.
Depression is a fog you can't see through, but you can survive on litte food, you can not eat for a day, or two, or tree or more. So long as you drink alot (OBVIOUSLY I'm not saying anyone should do it! I KNOW it is very harmfull). I had a spell of anorexia nevrosa when I was 10-13 almost 14. I was very very underweight, malnurished, and very ill.
I am not underwaight now. I'm healthy, normally I eat, still there are some hangovers from that time in my life ( I don't like to eat in resturants, facing other people, or by a window ++)
In a way, yes, it is pleasurable to know I still have some control over myself, if not my feelings, than atleast my "cravings" if you can call it that.

I've uploaded a chart like you said, claire.


"Everything anybody has said to Vix on this thread has been said out of sheer good will and kindness, even if people do have different perspectives on the situation." - Mandy

I agree with you Mandy.
I know this is a very controversial issue, so the point I'd think,
is to provide people with your experiance and oppinions on the matter,
and then let the people (cause we all know, there are more than me in the world struggeling at the moment)
decide what they feel is best for them selves.
Thank you all, so far, anyways.
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:10 PM
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If I might offer, I agree that if you are experiencing suicidal ideation, and simply cannot cope, then a temporary stay in the hospital would be advised. I would share my personal experience:

I felt depression come on especially in my teen years...not for any specific reason, but simply because I felt ostracized, lonely, disempowered and extremely shy; easily intimidated. What I thought was love finally came to me in my senior year of high school, and the depression faded...finally I felt accepted, loved and re-empowered for a time...I thought I could just leave the depression behind...however through my years of maturity and being married with children, combined with a series of tragedies and death as I turned 30, the despair and yearning became stronger again, and I could not feel fulfilled in the marriage which was rather emotionally abusive. I decided to leave the marriage but what followed was a series of crisis, rather than a renewed sense of freedom. We learned that my mother had a critical heart problem and died a year later: my father was diagnosed with prostrate cancer soon thereafter and we feared for the loss of him as well; instead he fought against the cancer and two years later actually re-married, which caused some contention in some of my siblings; then seeing him through the process as the cancer spread until he too died 2 years later; within a day of the anniversary of Mom's death. There there came an onslaught of executing the will which brought out the worst in some of my siblings, and finally I had to extricate myself from them and actually move away...long story short, I was hit by a barrage of life draining experiences that pounded away at me on a continual basis. Just as I was about to hit 40, the anti-depressants were no longer working and I found myself falling apart in the doctor's office as an emotional wreck. Wisely she sent me to the ER for a psych evaluation, and I did manage to find some relief simply by being taking out of a highly stressful environment overnight.
I went through a period of being in therapy, which helped to a degree but the stressors kept building in my world and for a time I was on suicide watch as well. I finally got more appropriate treatments to treat the chemical imbalance in my brain that contributed to the depression. And then something magickal happened, and I found myself on the road to recovery through my own volition. It was a long and arduous struggle, but somehow I knew that I was the only one who could lead me to a complete healing.

In retrospect, I believe that the depression itself was part of a divine intervention construed to help me re-connect with my own inner divinity...it forces a person to really get to the heart of the matter of the internal goings-on that contribute to a depressive state of being...and that is what depression truly is: a state of being. Looking back, I see that the solution was always in my own hands, and while talk therapy was somewhat helpful, it was by my own doing that I ultimately found my resolution, and that was based on regaining a sense of faith and trust in life...and gaining the total belief in receiving support from my personal spiritual guides and muse.
The truth comes down to the fact that, 'as we think, so we become'...the solution then lies in changing our perceptions about life, restoring the sense of there being a universal plan: we must also find ways to change our state of being through the use of the directed mind; this involves changing our attitudes, our beliefs in negativity and defeat, as well as altering our judgments as well as our expectations in life. As within, so without, and it all starts from within.
I do believe that astrological counselling in depth can be as successful as traditional talk therapy. Your chart depicts that you are here largely to figure things out for yourself rather than to rely on others to fix your problems and correct your misunderstandings. Indeed you have repressed feelings of insecurity and worthlessness that need to be overcome but inevitabley the only validation that matters comes from ourself. When we expect it to come from others, we are typically sorely disappointed.
Currently there are significant developmental changes happening in your life, as shown by the heavy transits of significant planets like Pluto, Saturn and Uranus. Pluto relates to political restructuring, yet on a personal level it relates to whether one feels empowered in their own right or disempowered by others...the choice is ours to make...we can either submit to being a victim in life, or we can chose to be the victor...we all have that inner creative spark that can be utilized to change our circumstances, if we choose to make that our primary intention.
Such a beautiful post Kimbermoon thank you. Victoria I know that you've gotton a lot of really good advice as I haven't read all of the posts yet but I just wanted to share that I have been dealing with depression since I was in my late teens as well and I did try to kill myself, seriously too, and even though you say that you would never consciously not eating for 4 days is a slow suicide because it's not healthy to do that to your body. I know you already know that but please dont do anything foolish, please go to the hospital and PLEASE keep in touch with all of us as you will be in my prayers and thoughts OK?

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Old 02-12-2012, 02:51 AM
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Well I have saturn conj moon in 7th house (according to whole signs) and I get depressed alot , for almost everything ...
but at the same time , when I stop thinking alot and start concentrating on work (studying , working out or anything ) I seem to gain back on my feet ~

so yea , may be even u might have the same problem ?


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Old 02-12-2012, 09:27 PM
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Well I have saturn conj moon in 7th house (according to whole signs) and I get depressed alot , for almost everything ...
but at the same time , when I stop thinking alot and start concentrating on work (studying , working out or anything ) I seem to gain back on my feet ~

so yea , may be even u might have the same problem ?


Suggesting,
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It's sweet of you to think of me, darling <3 really, honestly.
I am not a dr. but I'd say our depressions are alot different.
For me.. I'm not thinkng when I am depressed, not wondering,
it's not painfull, in a way, it's just empty, slow and boring.
It's like being a flower longing for a new spring,
but being frozen and half dead under the snow.
There is nothing left. No concentration, no focus, no energy,
no hope, no way to ignore or get over this bubble you're in.

My last major clinical depression I couldn't get out of the house for
almost 6 months. Could only open the curtains at night, and for the
first month, i didn't even have the energy to lift my own body and go
and sit in the bathtub. So, i doubt very much that, for me, it's all about focusing on something else.
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Old 02-12-2012, 09:33 PM
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Re: Depression

Also, I have a question, hopefully you can find the answer on the transit chart provided earlier.


I'm wondering
will this major clinical depression last for more than 6 months?
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Old 02-13-2012, 04:32 AM
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it's just empty, slow and boring.
Well that might be it , may be u dont have a strong goal ? or something which motivates you to give ur best ?

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Old 02-24-2012, 08:24 PM
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Re: Depression

Is anyone still here?

I'm sorry I've been gone for so long, but I've been really bad lately.
I started on antidepressants two weeks ago, and it's been decided
I will be going to the hospital in about two weeks, for about a month.

I still don't feel any better. My therapist says it will be around two
more weeks until I start to feel any different, obviously I'm not saying,
or thinking, antidepressants will make me feel 100% fine, just a little
better, with therapy, and other help.

I've been sleeping so much lately, I've started eating again,
but my therapist is still worried if I might have vitamin deficiency.
So I'm wondering if there is any astrological aspect that indicates if this
is true or not. I would love more help, and this discussion to go on.

Also, any hints as to when it will get atleast marginally better..


I hope to hear from you all.
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Old 02-25-2012, 04:04 AM
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Re: Depression

One note: since December 2011 the SN has been transiting within a couple degrees orb of the progressed Moon (emotions, sensitivities, etc): from my perspective this indicates a likelihood of that period of time being an exacerbation of the psychological situation. The transiting SN will pass out of orb to the progressed Moon toward the beginning/middle of April, 2012, so, this might well indicate an improvement in this situation-and a continuing improvement-becoming noticeable around that time.
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Old 02-25-2012, 07:19 AM
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ASC lord Mercury is at the apex of T square and squared by Jupiter, Uranus, Saturn and Neptune. This can cause stress, anxiety, sometimes depression. Mercury usually finds its way and you should be able to figure out solution.

1st house (natal and then now progressed) was (and is being) transited by Saturn. At the same time Pluto was transiting over Uranus, Saturn and Neptune. This can bring transformation by putting at lowest ebb.

Mercury afflictions are helped by yoga, pranayama, etc. Also fermented food (kefir, yogurt, etc.) can be helpful.

Good luck.
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:24 PM
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I am still here...



It may be good that you are in treatment on hospital.
As said in one of my earlier posts the horary chart that I converted to vedic pointed to hospital,
as 12th house indicators was affecting you in more than one way.

Now tr. Jupiter is trine Sun in 12th (hospital), which may show good descision to have help by experts (JU).



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Old 02-27-2012, 09:43 PM
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The transiting SN will pass out of orb to the progressed Moon toward the beginning/middle of April, 2012, so, this might well indicate an improvement in this situation-and a continuing improvement-becoming noticeable around that time.

Dr. Farr - That is actually around the time when I will most likely
be out of the hospital, at least for a week or so.


Thank you for the advice, dhundhun.
I absolutely have no energy for yoga or an kind of fysical activity, yet.
But I'll try to get more of the food you mentioned.

Shanti, I've sent you a PM, but thank you so much for the help.




I can't say how touched I am by how much everyones helped,
and given me advice and been in contact with me to make sure
I'm allright.. Almost enough to make me smile.
You really are amazing people, all of you.
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Old 03-01-2012, 06:18 PM
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So tomorrow is the day.

Hopefully I'll be able to speak with all of you when I get back again.

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Old 03-02-2012, 03:37 AM
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You will! The indications are all very positive for this phase for you!
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:20 PM
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So tomorrow is the day.

Hopefully I'll be able to speak with all of you when I get back again.

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Please hang in there Victoria; and you've got to stay in touch with us no matter how depressed you are OK?

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Victoria, dr. farr & dhundhun have given you some clear advice & suggestions.

I agree with what dhundhun has said about your Mercury placement - it is not only your chart ruler, but is in the 1st house, so in a way describes You, but is seriously challenged by being at the apex of a T-square - which makes it a very sensitive point in your chart, a bit like a sore on your knee which you keep knocking, and so it keeps opening up and bleeding. Mercury squares all of Uranus, Saturn & Neptune. I think that the combination of these 3 planets in your 4th contributes to your depression and low energy.

Currently also transiting Pluto sits between Saturn & Neptune, and so your (probable) continuing struggle between idealism and reality is currently just too much for you.

I would also like to draw attention to your Moon placement in relation to your Sun. You were born under a Balsamic Moon, and this is an important incarnation for you in relation to soul growth and the challenges your soul has chosen for you. When you have the energy, check out these links:
http://astrologyforthesoul.com/balsmc3qmons.html
http://www.mooncircles.com/reports/natal.pdf
A Balsamic Moon demands that a person experience a life which is different - often appearing to be more difficult - that is, until your learn to flow with your instincts. If you follow where it takes you, you will develop a lot of wisdom, and so eventually you will be able to use this wisdom to help others.

[I was also born during the Balsamic Moon phase, and I struggled with an eating disorder when young. I have experienced depression on & off for much of my life, but have learned to live with it without medication - my own preference. I have found that any level of depression is even quite `useful' as a way of my unconscious communicating to me something which I am not seeing. It is all a matter of interpreting the signs.]
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:15 PM
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Hello all!
Guess what, my depression has lessend ALOT.
After a month in the hospital the days have become alot more easy to bare. But, it's still here. I've realized this is something I'll have to work with for the rest of my life, but I've realized it is treatable. I can live with it, not inspite of it, or worse because of it. BIG realization for me.


I've been diagnosed with major depressive disorder.
and I'm on quite heavy antidepressives, but it works.
I'm obviously not 100% happy or healthy, yet, but i'll live

I'm just wondering if there is anything in my chart that points to MDD.
and I'd thought Id let you know how i was getting on,
thank you all for your advice, though I was reluctant to listen to you,
you have helped me - a lot!!
Happy easter.
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Good news! The horary chart clearly indicated benefit by the treatment you asked about in that horary, plus the transit SN passing out of orb of the progressed Moon showed a more positive trend for this early April period.
Will look at your natal for more info about the "MDD" situation.

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Old 04-14-2012, 06:38 AM
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I am officially out of the hospital! And guess what, it wasnt that bad!
Eating four meals a day was very rough in the start, and having to
go to all these different groups, like grouptherapy and arttherapy,
and so on and so on, but now, I'm out and I feel okay.
And that is the best I can hope for right now.
It's good enough. I've met some absolutely wonderful people, and
made friends for life, i am sure. Very positive experience!

Just thought I'd let you all know that I am back, and how I've been getting on. Hope all of you are well, offcourse, and again, thank all of you for your advice and for keeping me in mind!

Have you found anything suggesting MDD, dr. farr?

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Good news, and welcome back!!
Will see about your possible natal chart indications over the next few days.
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so glad to hear that you are out of the hospital and feeling better!
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Old 04-15-2012, 07:38 PM
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Re: Depression

Thank you, so so much!

Would just like to say, I've started eating,
I'm sleeping at night (medication)
I've made so many friends in there, that are just amazing, and
I'm dealing with my depression, rather than dreading and hiding from it.

Only positive things to say about you, because it is in large part
because of your help and advice, compassion and tolerance that
I bothered to give it a chance. I was actually asking the question
hoping for a no, but now, I am so pleased I was told the truth, and
went to the hospital. What a difference a month makes !!
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It warms to hear..

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