long life or early death, chart ruler in 8th house???

[futureenigma]

hi, im relatively new to posting on this forum (despite the fact i signed up 4 years ago!)
anyhoo, im very interested in observing natal birth charts, and recently become very interested in the supposed 'dominent', 'emphatic', overriding, overpowering or so called, significant parts of a persons chart.

what im trying to ask is, can you calculate from someones chart their dominent planets, signs and houses? i know that your rising,sun and moon are supposedlly the general formula that makes up a mindframe, but i also read that certain aspects and planetary/house positions reveal much more about a person, and i also read that the ruler of the first house and its position has a tremendous influence in all charts. being a sagitarrius rising, does that mean im your so called- 'jupiterian', and if so, what does it mean that my chart ruler is in the house of death!

i know i sound a bit obsessed with death, and i probably am, but what correlations does my chart ruler have with my death, if they can even only be estimated or hypothesized?
BTW my 8th house starts in mid cancer and is massive compared to other houses in my chart, whats up with that?
anyhoo, id greatly love someone to enlighten me more on this, cause my knowledge is sparse on it, thanks for your time.

here is my chart if you need it to correlate aspects,

[waybread]

You cannot predict the time or manner of death from this information.

Modern astrologers generally find death prediction to be unreliable, and hence unethical.

Some traditional astrologers do practice death prediction, but the calculations are pretty involved, different astrologers disagree about how to do it, and it is by no means as simple as the basics of your 8th house.

[futureenigma]

can you explain something about astrology that ive never understood;
why is it that the size or width of your houses are always completely different depending on your birth time? like some people seem to have a large or wide 8th house ( like myself) and small otrher houses.

is there any relevance to their sizes?

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by futureenigma

hi, im relatively new to posting on this forum (despite the fact i signed up 4 years ago!)
anyhoo, im very interested in observing natal birth charts, and recently become very interested in the supposed 'dominent', 'emphatic', overriding, overpowering or so called, significant parts of a persons chart.

what im trying to ask is, can you calculate from someones chart their dominent planets, signs and houses? i know that your rising,sun and moon are supposedlly the general formula that makes up a mindframe, but i also read that certain aspects and planetary/house positions reveal much more about a person, and i also read that the ruler of the first house and its position has a tremendous influence in all charts. being a sagitarrius rising, does that mean im your so called- 'jupiterian', and if so, what does it mean that my chart ruler is in the house of death!

i know i sound a bit obsessed with death, and i probably am, but what correlations does my chart ruler have with my death, if they can even only be estimated or hypothesized?
BTW my 8th house starts in mid cancer and is massive compared to other houses in my chart, whats up with that?
anyhoo, id greatly love someone to enlighten me more on this, cause my knowledge is sparse on it, thanks for your time.

here is my chart if you need it to correlate aspects,

I prefer the classic astrodienst chart as this one is hard to look at.
IF you use equal house method you will get a different result. I dont like skewed houses. As for talking about specific death, I dont address that.
Jupiter in the 8th usually lends to longevity amongst other things.
The 12th house also pertains to passing over and there are many scenarios. The transits trigger the natal potentials.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by futureenigma

can you explain something about astrology that ive never understood;
why is it that the size or width of your houses are always completely different depending on your birth time? like some people seem to have a large or wide 8th house ( like myself) and small otrher houses.

is there any relevance to their sizes?

As you have observed, futureenigma, dynamical division of space yields different results depending on the particular house system employed.

Using Whole Sign does away with this problem because each whole sign = one whole sign http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/wholesignhouses.html

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by futureenigma

.........and i also read that the ruler of the first house and its position has a tremendous influence in all charts. being a sagitarrius rising, does that mean im your so called- 'jupiterian', and if so, what does it mean that my chart ruler is in the house of death!

i know i sound a bit obsessed with death, and i probably am, but what correlations does my chart ruler have with my death, if they can even only be estimated or hypothesized?
BTW my 8th house starts in mid cancer and is massive compared to other houses in my chart, whats up with that?
anyhoo, id greatly love someone to enlighten me more on this, cause my knowledge is sparse on it, thanks for your time.

IMO futureenigma, since death is an an inevitable consequence of birth - it is unsurprising that a birth chart may be related to the idea of a death as well! Omnisphericus has clarified the idea for us on this thread at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=46808 and here's a quote from Omnisphericus that helps us to make the important distinction between so-called "death prediction" versus simple assessment of the "Vital Life Force of the Native"

Originally Posted by Omnisphericus

This conversation here http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=46232 inspired me to open a thread where I/we would try to say more about this medieval technique of the "Giver of Life" (Hyleg) and the "Giver of Years" (Alcocoden), which according to the medieavals should give the amount of years of life to the native...

But first lets see what is Hyleg and Alcocoden.

Here is what Bernadettte Brady says about H & A:

So, Hyleg and Alcocoden are showing the Vital Life Force of the native. They show how much years in life do you have according to the 'Esse' or the condition of your body and soul. With the modern medicine it seems out that this Esse is prolonged, but we will see how in the case of Whitney Houston this is almost exact. If the nativity dies from a serial killer, or a car accident H & A does not count, they do not show the accidents, they show the condition of the body and soul and accordingly how much years one have.

[futureenigma]

hi, i got the astrodienst chart you talked about. i'd love for you to have a look at my chart if you get a chance, id be really intrigued and grateful,
what would you say would b the most overriding force or influence in my natal chart? is it a planet? aspect? house? sign?

thankyou very much in advance, ive never had somebody else analyse my chart before. thanks!, that is, if you get a chance.

[futureenigma]

astrodienst chart

[retinoid]

Your 8th house ruler (moon) is aspected well by venus and mercury (benefics) but is in a weak sign for the moon and is conjunct Saturn (a malefic)...however Saturn is said to bestow longevity if it is in the 8th house so I don't know what it does to the 8th house ruler if it is conjunct it. Health should be okay...if there be any health issues it could be sudden like an accident. Will probably have some sort of crisis, perhaps psychological where your beliefs will change. Feeling constrained mentally or even depression is most likely to occur. Discord in relationships is probable. Best outlet for feelings of depression is focusing on a career or vocation or people recognizing you for any talents (getting an applause for something where you feel accomplished).