bad aspects in synastry doomed?

[sprinthrussfed]

if someone synastry has bad aspects,are they doomed?

saturn opposite moon,pluto conjunct sun,saturn opposite mars

[Vista]

Originally Posted by sprinthrussfed

if someone synastry has bad aspects,are they doomed?

saturn opposite moon,pluto conjunct sun,saturn opposite mars

Not necessarily, although those are some difficult aspects. You really want to see enough beneficial or positive aspects between personal planets to balance things out. If you want more specific information you will need to post both natal charts separately. You can obtain them from astro.com for free. Save as a picture and attach to this thread.

[sprinthrussfed]

Originally Posted by Vista

Not necessarily, although those are some difficult aspects. You really want to see enough beneficial or positive aspects between personal planets to balance things out. If you want more specific information you will need to post both natal charts separately. You can obtain them from astro.com for free. Save as a picture and attach to this thread.

i was asking about bad aspects in synastry, not about a specific chart.

do you think a relationship could be good with these aspects?

[Vista]

Originally Posted by sprinthrussfed

i was asking about bad aspects in synastry, not about a specific chart.

do you think a relationship could be good with these aspects?

Oh, I see. The Pluto to Sun conjunction is ok brings intenseness, but hard Saturn aspects to the Sun and or Moon can be very difficult. They can have a big wet blanket affect on the relationship and in many instances ambivalence and coldness can develop between the two people. Also, there can be a parenting dynamic that develops so there is an imbalance of power. One person could feel like they are not getting their needs met as in they want more time and affection from their partner. Again, this is specifically talking about this aspect. The hard aspects can draw people together, sometimes a feeling of fatedness develops like you are supposed to be together. Saturn is about Karma and Saturn contacts, in particular hard one's have a past life connection. Can relationship work out with this aspect, of course but there needs to be enough positive aspects to off-set the harshness of Saturn. Saturn is also about lessons.

Mars to Saturn aspects are difficult. One person wants to get out there and conquer the world while the other person wants to sit back, be cautious and wait. Not insurmountable, just one manifestation of this aspect.

[sprinthrussfed]

Originally Posted by Vista

Oh, I see. The Pluto to Sun conjunction is ok brings intenseness, but hard Saturn aspects to the Sun and or Moon can be very difficult. They can have a big wet blanket affect on the relationship and in many instances ambivalence and coldness can develop between the two people. Also, there can be a parenting dynamic that develops so there is an imbalance of power. One person could feel like they are not getting their needs met as in they want more time and affection from their partner. Again, this is specifically talking about this aspect. The hard aspects can draw people together, sometimes a feeling of fatedness develops like you are supposed to be together. Saturn is about Karma and Saturn contacts, in particular hard one's have a past life connection. Can relationship work out with this aspect, of course but there needs to be enough positive aspects to off-set the harshness of Saturn. Saturn is also about lessons.

Mars to Saturn aspects are difficult. One person wants to get out there and conquer the world while the other person wants to sit back, be cautious and wait. Not insurmountable, just one manifestation of this aspect.

what do you think about pluto square or opposition sun, moon, mars or venus?

[MaeMae]

Originally Posted by sprinthrussfed

if someone synastry has bad aspects,are they doomed?

saturn opposite moon,pluto conjunct sun,saturn opposite mars

Mars Saturn opposition can be very trying ~ for male mars - female saturn, " grow up and be a man"
for female mars male saturn ~ you're likely to be frustrated sexually.
in both situations, action, aggressiveness, assertiveness, animus meets with restriction, limits, conditions. always requiring negotiation.
mars usually does'nt want to be bothered.
cold battles likely, where trade offs in being punished for bad behaviors occur.
if both are focused on an absolute goal, cooperation is possible.
two cardinals getting things done. Mars exalted in Capricorn. It's possible. But intention and outcome must meet.

[sprinthrussfed]

Originally Posted by MaeMae

Mars Saturn opposition can be very trying ~ for male mars - female saturn, " grow up and be a man"
for female mars male saturn ~ you're likely to be frustrated sexually.
in both situations, action, aggressiveness, assertiveness, animus meets with restriction, limits, conditions. always requiring negotiation.
mars usually does'nt want to be bothered.
cold battles likely, where trade offs in being punished for bad behaviors occur.
if both are focused on an absolute goal, cooperation is possible.
two cardinals getting things done. Mars exalted in Capricorn. It's possible. But intention and outcome must meet.

do you or anyone know about the other aspects? do you think a relationship is doomed with these aspects?

[Asteriae]

Originally Posted by sprinthrussfed

if someone synastry has bad aspects,are they doomed?

saturn opposite moon,pluto conjunct sun,saturn opposite mars

You need to look at signs and houses involved with any aspect in synastry. You also need to look at the natal charts separately. This is the only way to make a final assertion on the quality of the aspects and their impacts on the individuals and the relationship.

Saturn opposite moon is arbitrary without any actual chart to look at. If Saturn is in the 12th house in one person's chart, but falls in the 5th house of the other person's chart, that's one whole thing unto itself, before we can even begin talking about what it doing to the Moon.

You cannot interpret these aspects in a stand-alone way. That's not how astrology works. Sure, Saturn opposed Moon could be bad thing, unless Jupiter is trine that Moon, and sextile Saturn, as but one example.

[sprinthrussfed]

Originally Posted by Asteriae

You need to look at signs and houses involved with any aspect in synastry. You also need to look at the natal charts separately. This is the only way to make a final assertion on the quality of the aspects and their impacts on the individuals and the relationship.

Saturn opposite moon is arbitrary without any actual chart to look at. If Saturn is in the 12th house in one person's chart, but falls in the 5th house of the other person's chart, that's one whole thing unto itself, before we can even begin talking about what it doing to the Moon.

You cannot interpret these aspects in a stand-alone way. That's not how astrology works. Sure, Saturn opposed Moon could be bad thing, unless Jupiter is trine that Moon, and sextile Saturn, as but one example.

what do you think about saturn opposite moon in 5th to 11th and 5th to 8th?

yes it could be a bad thing. do you think a relationship is doomed without jupiter trine that moon and sextile saturn?

[Asteriae]

Originally Posted by sprinthrussfed

what do you think about saturn opposite moon in 5th to 11th and 5th to 8th?

yes it could be a bad thing. do you think a relationship is doomed without jupiter trine that moon and sextile saturn?

I need to see a chart to answer these questions. Anything in synastry could be good or bad. It is a holistic process with many factors to consider.

[fullmoonlibra]

Originally Posted by Vista

Oh, I see. The Pluto to Sun conjunction is ok brings intenseness, but hard Saturn aspects to the Sun and or Moon can be very difficult. They can have a big wet blanket affect on the relationship and in many instances ambivalence and coldness can develop between the two people. Also, there can be a parenting dynamic that develops so there is an imbalance of power. One person could feel like they are not getting their needs met as in they want more time and affection from their partner. Again, this is specifically talking about this aspect. The hard aspects can draw people together, sometimes a feeling of fatedness develops like you are supposed to be together. Saturn is about Karma and Saturn contacts, in particular hard one's have a past life connection. Can relationship work out with this aspect, of course but there needs to be enough positive aspects to off-set the harshness of Saturn. Saturn is also about lessons.

Mars to Saturn aspects are difficult. One person wants to get out there and conquer the world while the other person wants to sit back, be cautious and wait. Not insurmountable, just one manifestation of this aspect.

O no!
I thought that saturn aspects are good because they show commitment!
My venus (10th) is opposite to my husbands saturn (2nd)!
And I thought our worst aspects are my sun opposite his pluto and his moon opposite my neptune/mars.

[sprinthrussfed]

Originally Posted by Asteriae

I need to see a chart to answer these questions. Anything in synastry could be good or bad. It is a holistic process with many factors to consider.

how could saturn opposite moon be good?

[melisa]

Hi
Saturn oppose Moon can be good because the people will stick together thru thick and thin. They will understand that a relationship takes time and work. The moon person may mother the other too much, and the Saturn person may be a "strict father" in the relationship.

Melisa

[sprinthrussfed]

Originally Posted by melisa

Hi
Saturn oppose Moon can be good because the people will stick together thru thick and thin. They will understand that a relationship takes time and work. The moon person may mother the other too much, and the Saturn person may be a "strict father" in the relationship.

Melisa

i agree but with the opposition and the square, the moon person is unable to express the child within and can't express their feelings.
the saturn person is sensitive to the moon person and feel fear and insecurity in the relationship.

it is a hard aspect, how is a relationship with this aspect? fullmoonlibra?

[melisa]

Hi
The aspects work both ways----the Moon person feels Moon energy via the connection (feels more emotionally vulnerable and needy===also fearful), and also transmits the Moon energy to the Saturn person , so the Saturn person also is more emotional via the connection.
The Saturn person is more cautious (he feels his own Saturn activated) and the other person also "receives" caution (the Saturn caution and lessons are "given" to the other person via the connection>
So both people are more needy and are learning lessons through this aspect. I feel that aspects "work both ways", you feel and also give the energy of the planet you have in the aspect.

Melisa

[fullmoonlibra]

Originally Posted by sprinthrussfed

i agree but with the opposition and the square, the moon person is unable to express the child within and can't express their feelings.
the saturn person is sensitive to the moon person and feel fear and insecurity in the relationship.

it is a hard aspect, how is a relationship with this aspect? fullmoonlibra?

Venus opposite saturn?
I have not the feeling that it goes bad in our relationship, but my husband is the saturn person and he always say that since we are married his responsibility is increased, and that I do nothing. He also say why I don't worry about how we are going to live (incomes)? He always worry about money. He says that I am irresponsible and too unrealistic.
One time he literally said: you are making me feel old. Well, he indeed has more grey hear now.
But important to note: he had a saturn transit first house the last 2 yerS, and I have natally jupiter in 7th, close to 8th..

We also have a sun opposite jupiter and I'm the jupiter person . So sometimes I really feel that my luck is being blocked.
Because since we are married I am a bad student..

[sprinthrussfed]

Originally Posted by fullmoonlibra

Venus opposite saturn?
I have not the feeling that it goes bad in our relationship, but my husband is the saturn person and he always say that since we are married his responsibility is increased, and that I do nothing. He also say why I don't worry about how we are going to live (incomes)? He always worry about money. He says that I am irresponsible and too unrealistic.
One time he literally said: you are making me feel old. Well, he indeed has more grey hear now.
But important to note: he had a saturn transit first house the last 2 yerS, and I have natally jupiter in 7th, close to 8th..

We also have a sun opposite jupiter and I'm the jupiter person . So sometimes I really feel that my luck is being blocked.
Because since we are married I am a bad student..

you are the jupiter person, his luck is being blocked by your relationship' goal.
you think different about loving, living together but it can be good if you recognize each other viewpoints.

do you have more bad aspects in synastry?