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01-18-2012, 01:29 PM
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Re: Modern Astrology Vs Traditional Astrology Placements
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Tim thought I was attacking MSO lol Mao is my buddy and it was all in good humor.
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01-18-2012, 09:58 PM
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Re: Modern Astrology Vs Traditional Astrology Placements
ok so I found this in a website; "Not everyone with a 12th house Sun loses a father so literally, but in some way, the fathering influence will be dampened or sacrificed. Dad’s support or encouragement of the child’s special gifts will be lacking."
( http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/...-modern-views/)
This is totaly false, I have one of the best dads in the world.He is the one who supported me especially education wise even when teachers doubted my ability he would always be an example to me telling me how he was diagnosed with several learning disabilities and he got 2 degrees (I think maybe 3) and a masters with top grades while working full time, and he pays for my university. Emotionally I am not very mushy with my dad or super bonded as hang out buddies (which I think is weird)... we relate more intellectually. Though, if I must relate to this the people around me (like friends) do tell me I never talk about my dad..... which is odd I guess.... The same thing happens in person no one realizes I have a boyfriend, and they always ask me why I didn't say I did, but I don't think I need to randomly bring it up if it is irrelevant to the conversation.. I do though.. people just don't seem to think I do. Also I think he has several 12th house planets including a 12th house gemini moon. Though, I guess I should be taking the placement of the sun, cancer into consideration as well as it's aspects.
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01-18-2012, 10:39 PM
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Re: Modern Astrology Vs Traditional Astrology Placements
You have a present for me what? That is true I spent(d) a lot of time screwing around and my dads parents died when he was a teen, plus his family was extremely poor and had to become very independent very fast. His life is devoted to helping people in need he always tries to make me go in his field lol.
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01-18-2012, 11:25 PM
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Re: Modern Astrology Vs Traditional Astrology Placements
I know this is late to post and doesn't have much to do with trad, but I found an answer to your question a while back:
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Does 6th house mars Capricorn mean my teeth will fall out?
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For example - A Capricorn Mars in sixth house is an awesome placement and many of the great worriers and leaders have it - Cricketer Imran Khan of Pakistan has it. Maharaja Ranjeet Singh of punjab had it. The effects are shown in the right dasha periods.
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The 6th house (trad):
" Mars joys here.
Lilly notes: " we usually find that Mars and Venus in conjunction in this house are arguments of a good physician" ([CA], p.54).
Cosignificators are Virgo and Mercury. "
I've tried trad. My experience with it is that it's just as bad as modern. I still have other types of astrology to dabble with before I decide either which one to use or to become a full-time skeptic (or at least a little bit closer to one) in the mainstream sense of the word.
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01-18-2012, 11:52 PM
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Re: Modern Astrology Vs Traditional Astrology Placements
Very interesting Rebel thanks, Roy I am just utterly confused.
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01-19-2012, 03:22 AM
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Re: Modern Astrology Vs Traditional Astrology Placements
Love2know-- Apologies if you know this already.
It is important to be a connoisseur of astrology writing. There is the good, the bad, and the downright idiotic. (Sun as Dad) + (12th house as misfortunate) = Dad problems, according to the interpretation you posted. I would place this in the idiotic category, unless other chart factors support it. For one thing, we have to look at how that sun is aspected.
To many astrologers the sun is Dad only in a day birth: it's Saturn in a night birth. Then the 4th house and IC traditionally represent the father. However, it gets more complicated, and perhaps the best thing is to look at the MC/IC axis.
Hopefully if you read the sun as a modern astrologer would, as your identity, you've found some things that make sense about the 12th house placement. The 12th house isn't unusually problematic in modern astrology, and nice sextiles or trines to the sun could make it fortunate, indeed.
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01-19-2012, 03:43 AM
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Re: Modern Astrology Vs Traditional Astrology Placements
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Love2know-- Apologies if you know this already.
It is important to be a connoisseur of astrology writing. There is the good, the bad, and the downright idiotic. (Sun as Dad) + (12th house as misfortunate) = Dad problems, according to the interpretation you posted. I would place this in the idiotic category, unless other chart factors support it. For one thing, we have to look at how that sun is aspected.
To many astrologers the sun is Dad only in a day birth: it's Saturn in a night birth. Then the 4th house and IC traditionally represent the father. However, it gets more complicated, and perhaps the best thing is to look at the MC/IC axis.
Hopefully if you read the sun as a modern astrologer would, as your identity, you've found some things that make sense about the 12th house placement. The 12th house isn't unusually problematic in modern astrology, and nice sextiles or trines to the sun could make it fortunate, indeed.
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Thank you once again, I would have 11th house sun in modern astrology and a 12th merc but my sun opp mars is my strongest aspect. I see what you mean cuz I have a great father, but then again in modern astrology my saturn is 4th... again with that my father was away for travel for humanitarian work... I didn't view it as bad maybe I would be a bit nervous for him in dangerous countries..... I would want to go with him but it was too dangerous for me thats the most I can think off.
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01-19-2012, 03:49 AM
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Re: Modern Astrology Vs Traditional Astrology Placements
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Ok MSO let us just agree that all cancers worship Larry David from curb your enthusiasm
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01-22-2012, 03:59 PM
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Why did someone copy my thread?  Yes I have good ideas
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01-22-2012, 05:14 PM
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Re: Modern Astrology Vs Traditional Astrology Placements
The Vedics copied my sect system and Plato copied a few other of my ideas. I think a lot of ideas are just universal.
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Uh huh................... I always wanted to appear on that show shark tank. I like vedic astrology is somewhat valid as well. If someone said I was a gemini sun I would believe it.
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01-22-2012, 06:48 PM
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Re: Modern Astrology Vs Traditional Astrology Placements
I would study Vedic as much as the next person, but there are too many bodies for me too keep a count off, and I'm not even talking modern here. As it is, modern is taking me on a roller-coaster as it is, with me trying to interpret them into a Traditional Sense.
Vedic has what, Kashu (or Rahu or something) and some other ones like that, which have their own separate meanings. Not to include the different interpretations/dilineation methods used for the charts of individuals.
Forget it, I am sticking to Trad, but slowly switching to Modern, using only what works, and scraping what doesn't.
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Re: Modern Astrology Vs Traditional Astrology Placements
Rahu and Ketu are the North and Sound Nodes of the Moon, respectively. There are no other random "bodies" that I'm aware of. Rahu is interpreted differently than our North Node, but Ketu is similar to our South Node.
Western Mars conjunct NN:
You need to learn to assert yourself.
Vedic Mars conjunct Rahu:
You are very sporty and likely a little impulsive.
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01-23-2012, 02:03 PM
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Rahu and Ketu are the North and Sound Nodes of the Moon, respectively. There are no other random "bodies" that I'm aware of. Rahu is interpreted differently than our North Node, but Ketu is similar to our South Node.
Western Mars conjunct NN:
You need to learn to assert yourself.
Vedic Mars conjunct Rahu:
You are very sporty and likely a little impulsive.
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My Mars is almost conjuct my NN or Rahu or whatever. An thanks for the update, don't know much of Vedic, so I sorta' guesses on those lines. 
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Re: Modern Astrology Vs Traditional Astrology Placements
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This has been conflicting me, I am still new to astrology; now I am hearing about traditional astrology and whole house system. I am conflicted to find out if my sun is really 11th or 12th. 12th house in traditional astrology sounds demonic...... also my mercury would move from 12 to 1st house....... I don't know how to decide I can relate to any one of these when I read the descriptions? Any advice or any similar issues? Please share...  |
Hello Love2know.
Here I use placidus and modern astrology. I just use traditional to horary, since techniques and methods were develop when the outers weren't still discovered. As those methods are very restrict they haven't yet been adapted to modern astrology. But if we look with attention outers aren't so that favorable in horary astrology since they are very slow. (Still, i use placidus)
Now, to natal, transit, progressions, i use placidus and modern. I trully believe that outers are influencing us. We are being controlled by those planets. If I watch my chart to a traditional perspective things get incomplete... But traditional isn't incorrect. It just don't provide all information.
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