horary question comments/suggestions

[kassandra]

Hello everyone and Happy New Year!
Some background info for those of you who did not follow my previous post: I recently split up with my boyfriend and we have arranged to meet in nine days, in order to “discuss” the whole matter (we live in different countries). I cast a chart with the question “will we get back together?”. I am posting you my analysis (comments extremely welcome, I know it is sort of clumsy...), but for those who are bored to read it, please scroll down and read a summary of it. Thank you so very much! Looking forward to your feedback.

Analysis:
Saturn (significator of the quesited/Lord of 7th) is in the 5th house of joy, love and sex or his turned 11th house. He loves her sexually and she makes him happy. He also is in mutual reception with Venus, her purely feminine side, so the feelings are mutual. Houses 5 and 11 are very prominent, so the emphasis is on sex, joy and love and also wishes, hopes, friends. Also Spica is in conjunction with the 5th house cusp, a rather beneficial influence. Saturn has a lot of essential dignity and is also the ruler of the chart, so he actually has a lot of ability to act.
However, Saturn also exalts himself (not sure if I am right here), so he is too preoccupied with his own needs, too egocentric and also has the Sun (his purely male side) in detriment, he is underestimating his sexuality/instinctive emotional responses. There are no applying aspects (or translation I think) between the main significators, which shows no action. Saturn has just separated (1 32) from Neptune, a misunderstanding or disillusionment and is applying by opposition to Jupiter, the ruler of the 6th and 10th houses, or turned 4th (the end of the matter, his house) and 12th (self-undoing, the past, secrets). It looks like he wants to end the relationship, although it is against his wishes and this probably will not make him happy. Also, Saturn is in mutual reception (by term) with Mars, who is in the 4th house (the end of the matter, the querent’s house), and rules the 5th house. So the quesited (Saturn) kind of wants (he doesn’t desire it strongly) to resolve this matter, which has to do with love, sex and joy. Venus (the querent’s second significator) is in Mars’ fall, which probably means that this resolution is something she really doesn’t like.
On the other hand, the Sun (second significator of the quesited), is in the 6th house or turned 12th. He is ruled by Saturn (the quesited’s purely logical side) and has the Moon (significator of the querent) in his triplicity and detriment, so he has mixed feelings about the querent. The Sun also has very low essential dignity, which shows his inability to act. The Sun has just separated from a conjunction with Pluto, which probably means he went through a hard period of transformation and psychological/physical pain. However, he applies by trine to the Moon (3 45), which shows that a meeting will probably take place and it looks like it will be a positive one. The Sun also exalts Mars (mentioned above), which means he probably overestimates the positive effect of the end of this relationship.
Now, the querent is the Moon primarily, and is in the 11th house, of the querent’s wishes/hopes and of the quesited’s (5th) love/sex/joy house. She has a lot of essential dignity, so she is in a condition to act. The querent has just separated from Pluto, again she must have gone through a dark, transformative, painful period. She is ruled by Venus (the querent’s second significator), her feminine/physical side, and she is in her own exaltation and triplicity, which shows she is also an egocentric person, just like the quesited (maybe even more!?), or at least that she is primarily interested in herself at the moment. Also Mars is in the detriment of Mars, which means she doesn’t really want the relationship to end. And now she is heading towards that trine with the Sun that I mentioned above.
Venus, the querent’s second significator, is in the 8th house, just separated from the South Node and in mutual reception by rulership with the Lord of the 7th, Saturn. This, as I said above, shows mutual love, mostly on a sexual/carefree kind of way. According to Frawley, the querent in the 8th house could show anguish of the querent over the matter, and in relationship matters, a craving for the quesited’s esteem. The querent’s significator there, could also indicate, psychological pain as well. So Venus likes and is liked by Saturn very much, also she is in term with herself and the Sun is in her fall, which means she sort of hates the quesited too. In her case, her feelings about the quesited are also contradictory, but more passionate/extreme I think. Venus is heading (very soon) towards a conjunction with Pallas, so this could show her ability to analyse things in a logical/philosophical way, defend herself and solve problems creatively (although I am not so sure about the use of asteroids in horary). [Note: Also, all this is happening in Aquarius, very close to the querent’s natal Sun and Mercury, although again I am not sure if there is any application of this in horary.]

Summary and question:
The main significators are both in a good condition, although both went through a dark/hard/transformative/painful period in the near past. It looks like both hope/wish that the relationship keeps going, especially its fun/sex part. I also used Venus and the Sun as co-significators of Woman and Man, as Lilly and Frawley suggest. I know that Venus could also indicate another woman, but I noticed that Moon and Venus receive each other very well, so I thought that in this case Venus shows another aspect of the querent, and not another woman who would – in this case – not be a person the querent would like. The 5th house cusp is in conjunction with Spica, which I believe is a good sign. Mars in the 4th house may indicate the end of the relationship, which is kind of wanted by the quesited, and not wanted at all by the querent. Could it also indicate a conflict in the querent’s house, where querent and quesited have arranged to meet? There is also an interesting dichotomy between the logical and the physical parts of the two people involved, which I think is very close to reality. It looks like there is a lot of contradicting emotions and desires involved, which is true. So, everything is making sense up to now, but the only major applying aspect I can see between significators is the trine between Sun and Moon. Could this mean, that the positive emotions will win in the end? In the last analysis, could it be a positive answer to the initial question?

[kassandra]

Haizea, thank you very much for your feedback! The Cancer/Capricorn degrees are kind of scary!!! And they describe the situation in a very interesting way!
I was also tending to assume (from the chart) that the whole thing looks like it's up to me. But I am also confused, and that's why I turned to horary, which is also showing that I am right to be confused. I am thinking and rethinking but I can't help it (aquarius :P). And thanks for appreciating my analysis, this is most encouraging, as I have been doing horary for very little time and I am not confident about my knowledge yet. So do you think the chart is positive or negative overall? Because this Saturn who rules the chart but does not act at all is getting on my nerves!!

[Erickaf]

Looks like he wants a relationship more, Sun/Venus, he is more fonder of her on a physical level but Venus in Detriment of the Sun probably doesn't want that. Saturn in the 5th, wants romance. I don't think they will get back together.

[kassandra]

Hmmm, as you can see from the separating aspects with Pluto, both of us have hurt each other. It is also obvious that I am more hurt, and this is why I am sharpening my claws, but I really like him still, although he behaved really immaturely and inconsiderately. I think he is sharpening his claws because he thought that I was overreacting over his behaviour at some point (ok, I was really upset and maybe I was too melodramatic) and he wants to defend himself. I don't know if it will be possible to make things work really... He was the one who initiated the break-up, so I am afraid that telling him that I like him will be a bit like begging and I am in my Pallas mode at the moment ( as you can see!)

[kassandra]

Yes, this is what I had in mind... He has to make at least the minimum effort of explaining what he wants in order to convince me that I want to be with him.
What about the Mercury-Jupiter trine? I am trying to see the houses involved and what they signify and I am a bit confused. I think this might show something that has to do with his work, because he is waiting for some very important news re this at the moment. Or if it is about me, it could mean something like this too, because I am in a similar situation too. But the fact that mercury has to change sign means a change of circumstances right?

[kassandra]

Aaaah ok I got you now!
Yes, I totally agree about the prides thing. But I've been the one who has been putting my pride aside throughout the whole relationship and now I am just furious with him. But if I judge from my past interaction with him, I will probably end up putting my pride aside again. It would be great if - for a change! - this was also for my own advantage and didn't just make him feel good about himself. Thanks for your feedback though, this is really helpful!

[kassandra]

Hello everyone! Just to update you re the question for which some of you kindly posted some comments: the situation is still a bit blurry but most of the things we predicted in the last horary were quite right! First of all we did get back together somehow, although there was a huge fight and it still looks like there are quite a few things that we see differently. However, it looks like the romance is still there and it is extremely strong (we spent three amazing days together). Thank you all so very much for your support

[completenoobie]

wow kassandra im new to this but your analysis was awesome! i hope things work out well for you. and i hope i can analyse my situation like yours. impressive.

[kassandra]

oh thank you for your kind words, but I am extremely new in this too! I think my interpretation is far from professional, especially since I am (emotionally) too involved in the situation. But that's why the community is here

[completenoobie]

id happily give you my chart to look at, ive been surfing around here for the last few days and honestly that was so in depth and good to read along with haizeas input too.

[kassandra]

Why don't you upload it in a new thread? I am sure a lot of people would try to help you out! As I said, I am extremely inexperienced, but maybe I could have a look too

[completenoobie]

im not sure if the chart is valid =/ i started a thread asking if i should use it or not mainly because of the way i asked the question and im not sure how to see in the chart if i should or shouldnt use it. seriously lol i am completely and utterly new to horary

[kassandra]

Haizea, the last conversation we had re Pallas and the fight between our prides was so accurate! I actually followed your advice about not being too obstinate and it seems to have worked! Thanks again! I just posted another horary about a professional issue: I am trying to extend my horary practice, so your feedback on that would also be very valuable, if you have the time and interest