Mental Indicators In Chart?

Rebel Uranian · #1 10-21-2011, 11:02 PM

What are the indicators of mental activity in a chart? A lot of really mentally hyperactive people have Mercuries that are not outstanding. I have a slow Mercury in Capricorn (the sign of practicality) and I don't like to talk just to talk, I like to communicate just to communicate. There's a difference! As I type I'm playing 2 games, talking to you guys on the Internet, and reading a book about mathematics. I don't even care if the stuff I'm doing is useful, I just like mental activity for its own sake and will spend lots of time learning useless things for my own entertainment. A Gemini Rising guy I know has Mercury stationary (R) in Pisces and he likes to read and play video games all the time. Would the 3rd house be another indicator, or maybe just any planets in air signs? I also think Uranus would be an indicator because said Gemini guy has his Moon in Aquarius on top of Uranus in Aquarius as well as Neptune in Aquarius. Anyone else want to show your chart so we can look for patterns?

twelthnight · #2 10-21-2011, 11:06 PM

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What are the indicators of mental activity in a chart? A lot of really mentally hyperactive people have Mercuries that are not outstanding. I have a slow Mercury in Capricorn (the sign of practicality) and I don't like to talk just to talk, I like to communicate just to communicate. There's a difference! As I type I'm playing 2 games, talking to you guys on the Internet, and reading a book about mathematics. I don't even care if the stuff I'm doing is useful, I just like mental activity for its own sake and will spend lots of time learning useless things for my own entertainment. A Gemini Rising guy I know has Mercury stationary (R) in Pisces and he likes to read and play video games all the time. Would the 3rd house be another indicator, or maybe just any planets in air signs? I also think Uranus would be an indicator because said Gemini guy has his Moon in Aquarius on top of Uranus in Aquarius as well as Neptune in Aquarius. Anyone else want to show your chart so we can look for patterns?

That sounds to me like a serious amout of air floating around, as I know you have...also strong 3rd-9th axis and gemini stuff. Sounds very gemini, in fact. My gemini-sag axis is intercepted, and while i'm talking you you guys, i am also setting up activities for my kids...but i have always been bad at multi-tasking...i blame the interception

Rebel Uranian · #3 10-21-2011, 11:17 PM

I have no Gemini sign on my chart but really heavy 3rd (Saturn which deposits 4 planets directly including Mercury, the SN which is conjunct Saturn, and my Sun-Moon midpoint) and 9th houses (Mars in the 9th and my 3rd house is Aries. Thankfully Mars is elevated.) I also wanted to switch to sidereal because there my Moon was in Gemini and that made a lot more sense to me... But looking at houses made things make more sense in tropical.

What does the 9th have to do with it? And people say that everything to do with communications and thinking is Mercury, but I think the 3rd house is involved. My experience won't prove anything as my Mercury deposits to the 3rd. Or maybe it will. I have no idea. C'mon people, we need to figure this out! (Sorry for my current impatience, I think it's the transits to my Saturn which everyone knows is the main provider of patience. What would Saturn in Gemini do? Also, my Draconic Pluto is in Gemini. Checking transits...)

twelthnight · #4 10-21-2011, 11:23 PM

I tend to think houses are way more important than signs...and the 9th house...well if you have an active 9th-3rd axis, that is all about knowlede....i mean, the 9th house just KNOWS with out thinking through the details, and the 3rd house wants all the details but doesn't always synthsize and put it together...so people who are gemini or 3rd house heavy w/o the sag or 9th (or jupiter or many other migitating factors) can be very good at manual dexterity/ multi-tasking, but may not be able to see a broader view involving patterns and philosophy...

Or perhaps i should say planetary influence AND houses seem more important than signs to me...

Flowergirl · #5 10-22-2011, 12:05 AM

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What are the indicators of mental activity in a chart? A lot of really mentally hyperactive people have Mercuries that are not outstanding.

Good question. I have been thinking about this a lot lately myself, as I have a habitual overactive mental process and just one singleton planet in Air and poor Mercury in detriment and fall and in the 12th, badly aspected.

Obviously, people with a lot of AIR in their charts are quite mentally active and can be either good at it, or airheads who can't ground themselves.

What is not so obvious, is that people with a lack of AIR or just one singleton planet in AIR, tend to develop strategies to overcompensate for their lack of this element. They may appear to others as mentally active, but they may not be good at it at all and trying to hide a feeling of inadequasy and weakness.

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Lack of air in the birth chart may mean that you end up focusing your attention on what's missing. You may in fact end up overcompensating for what you lack. Quite often your life myth may be focused and consumed around freeing yourself from the 'curse of the missing (or weak) element.' You may in fact appear to others as an extremely airy and detached (both in your personality traits and in your actions) individual. But no matter how over-developed you may become in accessing the energies of air - it may never 'feel' under your conscious control. It seems to come and go with a will of its own. You're never allowed to become comfortable with its presence. You're never allowed to take its presence in your life for granted. You have to work at it.

Astrologer50 also have some interesting links about the Singleton Planet being the funnel of energy in the birth chart. One area of life that you may give a lot of life energy to.

Rebel Uranian · #6 10-22-2011, 12:44 AM

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Or perhaps i should say planetary influence AND houses seem more important than signs to me...

That's what I think too. Most people jump to signs, but there are a lot of really emotional people with only a couple of water signs who are like "I'm not waterless! I'm very emotional!" and I can tell that from how they talk but then they have packed water houses and Neptune and the Moon and Pluto sitting in really important places.

twelthnight · #7 10-22-2011, 12:51 AM

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That's what I think too. Most people jump to signs, but there are a lot of really emotional people with only a couple of water signs who are like "I'm not waterless! I'm very emotional!" and I can tell that from how they talk but then they have packed water houses and Neptune and the Moon and Pluto sitting in really important places.

Oh yeah! For instance, I am super neptunian...but if you look at just signs...virgo, leo, cancer...but house placements, planetary exchange and influence tells the real story... 3 planets in 12th, angualr neptune throwing mad aspects everywhere....

So I would look for active 3rd, strong rulership making lots of connections in the chart, Uranus, merc, as well as the sun having a strong interest in communication be it through house, aspects, rulership....and even, i guess, sign...

Or angular Uranus, mercury....

Rebel Uranian · #8 10-22-2011, 01:01 AM

I think that's about right, but I'd really like to look at more charts of people of various levels of mental activity and find a pattern. Also, Uranus doesn't seem to have a whole lot to do with communication even though it often is cited to give more and faster intelligence than Mercury in certain cases.

I have:
Angular domiciled Uranus throwing aspects to everything except Mercury (that I know of,) often multiple aspects to one planet or asteroid thru declination and latitude
Sun in Aquarius
Ascendant in Aquarius
Heavy 3rd house in heavier reception
3rd house ruler (Mars) very very prominent
Mars in Libra (elevated degree)
Mars (3rd house ruler) trine Uranus

Obviously by these standards I would be really mentally active and talkative, but just looking at a slow Mercury in Capricorn in the 12th w/o any significant easy aspects (quintile Chiron) even with a lot of Air (that's not Gemini) I wouldn't be quite as much (and by not quite as much I mean very much less intelligent and talkative than average.) I think signs are still important, but not nearly as important as some people think and are the last thing you look at. A picture is still recognizable if you rotate the color wheel, but colors are not always recognizable if you change the picture (unless you really know what you're looking at.)

The ruler of the 3rd house is in the 9th, and this reminds me of a discussion with someone who was studying psychology who refused to help me interpret my dreams (9th house matter) and simply passed them off as indicating that I "knew a lot" (3rd house matter) but I think did give a little bit about indications of "relating to childhood" (3rd house is also the house of siblings)

twelthnight · #9 10-22-2011, 07:37 PM

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I think that's about right, but I'd really like to look at more charts of people of various levels of mental activity and find a pattern. Also, Uranus doesn't seem to have a whole lot to do with communication even though it often is cited to give more and faster intelligence than Mercury in certain cases.

Uranus is often spoken of as the higher vibration of mercury, right?

Rebel Uranian · #10 10-22-2011, 07:41 PM

Yes, but my point still stands that it doesn't give much in the way communication. That is, unless someone can prove me wrong.

twelthnight · #11 10-22-2011, 08:22 PM

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Yes, but my point still stands that it doesn't give much in the way communication. That is, unless someone can prove me wrong.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/uranus3.html

Actually, Uranus does come into play quite a bit with communications that are non-verbal and techno-based, so if you are talking about someone online a lot or playing video games; bingo!

Rebel Uranian · #12 10-22-2011, 08:25 PM

"altruistic; cool; critical; crushingly assertive; ... prophetic; revolutionary; romantic; self-centred; "

...It's possible to be altruistic and self-centered? I got both results on a personality test once and I was like, wait, what?

twelthnight · #13 10-22-2011, 08:36 PM

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"altruistic; cool; critical; crushingly assertive; ... prophetic; revolutionary; romantic; self-centred; "

...It's possible to be altruistic and self-centered? I got both results on a personality test once and I was like, wait, what?

Maybe often why Aquarians can be very community minded and involved, aluturistic, but pershaps seen as personally cool.

For instance (going back to technology) my brother has his moon in aquarius and is very strong in 11th house/uranus....he was taking computers apart and putting them back together at 7, and constantly playing video games....he's now an engineer and his whole life is sucked up in that part of his expression... can be had to connect to personally, but very connected to others on that higher plane of working to make advances for humanity.

Rebel Uranian · #14 10-22-2011, 10:10 PM

OK, I'm looking for that one comment on Aquarian Digest where a guy (or maybe gal) is like "You Aquarians are so self-absorbed. I am an Aries, and we are not self-absorbed... ... ... *a few more paragraphs about the non-self-absorbedness of Aries as opposed to Aquarius*" It cracks me up.

Here's something else that cracks me up:

"Twenty six Aquarians have answered the survey so far. Here are the results for a key question in the survey;

How would you describe your personality in only three words?

Third word answers:

4. peaceful (most of the time)"

That whole site/blog has plenty of hilarity everywhere. I won't post any more.

MaeMae · #15 10-22-2011, 10:54 PM

Rebel,
"mental indicators" is vague to me.
are you asking about how one learns or how one thinks, or how one processes and communicates ideas and concepts? All of the above?
I have Merc Aquarius opp Uranus Leo. I have a strong receptor that brings insight and knowledge that I can never explain in book terms. I just know things, intellectually, that I can't explain. Sounds goofy to some, but to me, that's how it has always been. Flashes from out of nowhere that give me answers to worldly perplexions. I'm Sun Aquarius, as well. I can't explain how I know what I do most of the time, but it has served me well in most ways. I must add, though, I'm an emotional idiot. I never "know" my bum from a hole in the ground in that realm.
But mind-wise, I see words in jumbled letters~I find answers in things I've never learned, I'm good at problem solving and also good at communicating ideas and concepts that others might find difficult.
In school and college, I always did well on tests I never studied for.
Don't mean to sound like a know~it~all, just one who is comfortable knowing what I know.

Rebel Uranian · #16 10-22-2011, 11:13 PM

That actually seems to be the case for most people with strong Uranus influence, maybe some of the details are different depending on the planets involved. And yes, all of the above, basically. It really appears that Mercury is not all of one's intellect, so I'm looking to see what is.

byjove · #17 10-22-2011, 11:35 PM

I'm always fidgeting, usually my legs and hands...lots of girls have said it's really distracting, and I've seen many other guys to it too. I'm always reading...always informed...I adore all kinds of tech stuff and keep up to date in gadgets and info. etc.

I've:

Mercury in Pisces
Mercury conjunct Pisces MC (0 degrees)
Mercury square Uranus (1 degree)

ASC ruler Moon in Virgo
Moon in 3rd house
Moon opposition Venus in 9th of Pisces (3rd-9th funnel)

Uranus quincunx ASC

Rebel Uranian · #18 10-23-2011, 12:13 AM

There are a lot of water signs involved in that. Houses and planets win again.

AspieTaurus · #19 11-02-2011, 12:27 AM

I have Mercury in Aries. Nuff said.

Fragoso · #20 12-01-2011, 08:50 PM

Hello rebel,

I have a very restless, sometimes i can't 'stope thinking', literally. I am always brainstorming and that's why i have inmsonia. Some nights i just sleep 1 or 2 hours and i can be feeling well the rest of the day.

Natally, my mercury is in scorpio. I do love researchs and deep studies in all kind of things (the darker the better). My mercury trines mars in cancer and sextilles uranus. That can explains my mental restless, always learning, thinking in new things. I like to think outside the box. It also squares saturn in aquarius (there is reception). That tames me a bit... I don't like to talk a lot but that also cames from scorpio influence (don't open my mind to people i don't trust).

Fragoso