Traditional reading of these charts

[scorpiogirl]

Originally Posted by tsmall

Ana,
May I ask what about Venus in the 8th resonates with you? The reason for my question is that, if you look at your chart with the sidereal zodiac you would see that Venus is in fact in the 8th house. I made a chart for you, which I have attached. You can see something of how I came to feel the sidereal zodiac more accurately represents the planets and signs/houses here on a thread JUPITERASC has already directed you towards

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...t=40285&page=2

this post was a real eyeopener



That led me to post this thread

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=41281

because the only understanding I brought with me to studying astrology was that the stars (astro-) were what was important.

If you are interested, here are your whole sign and Porphyry charts in sidereal. I would suggest exploring them as well, and deciding for yourself which (tropical or sidereal) make the most sense to you.

Oh wow Tsmall thank you for this!All that is said about Venus in the 8th is accurate for me actually,I ve researched this awhile ago.
Sideral chart make sense to me,yes(not all of it),but what makes the most sense is my Draconic chart.That is something I firmly believe in coz its all about the real,true self or the soul and thats something I do not wish to ignore.Draconic makes more sense to me than Tropical or Sideral.Pamela Crane(a wonderful astrologer) uses 4 charts when she s preparing for a client:Tropical,Draconic,Sideral and Heliocentric and some other things too. She says there is an enormous potential in all these charts and they are ALL necessary for our development.
Here is a link on this:
http://www.theholytwelve.co.uk/tools...nal-techniques

Im really grateful you took time to draw my charts and taking an interest.I never close my eyes to anything,I embrace ALL of the astrology.But Draconic chart "speaks" to me and I find it very useful and accurate for me.
Im also very interested in traditional astrology so Im trying to grasp it.I gotta buy a book!

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by scorpiogirl

Oh no Im asking about the Porphyry system. In Whole sign there are no borders,right? But pretty much its been said that in other systems if a planet is within 5 degrees of the next house it is read in both houses(Donna Cunningham and some others). Although I believe Ptolemy said its read in the next house,he didn't mention both houses.So Im a little confused even though Im inclined to use both houses just coz it works for me.

do take time to slowly re-read and process what dr. farr told us because the answer to your question is there once you understand fully what he has said - take your time to fully digest the implications of the words - especially when he says

Originally Posted by dr. farr

now, when quadrant systems were developed, this "point" of the house came to mean its "beginning", which later came to mean its "border", ie, the "border" between one house and the other.

Originally Posted by dr. farr

True enough that all of the quadrant house systems# give pretty similar results, except in the extreme latitudes where more pronounced differences are often noted. I'll add, also, that Equal house often is quite close in results, to the various quadrant systems.

Whole sign, however, often gives significant differences from the quadrant systems...so, every artist will have to decide for themselves;

I used Placidus for 35 years (!!), and with good results;

then I switched to Whole sign (for the past 13 years), and got -FOR ME- what I believe to be even better results...

*quadrant house systems, in order of historical origination:
Porphyry
Alchabitius (more accurately Rhetorius/Alchabitius)
Campanus
Regiomontanus
Placidus
Koch
...various mid to late 20th century modifications, such as topocentric, etc

[scorpiogirl]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

do take time to slowly re-read and process what dr. farr told us because the answer to your question is there once you understand fully what he has said - take your time to fully digest the implications of the words - especially when he says

Im trying to understand dr.Farr's words but its really starting to bug me.So I went on skyscript and got info what I need:

the twelfth part of the zodiac surrounding the horoscope, from 5° above the actual horizon up to the 25° that remains, which is rising in succession to the horizon. The 5° misplacement from the ascendant has caused much debate, the only sensible explanation is that the virtue of each house has been assigned a 5° influence before the cusp, as in traditional use. The same approach is used today by astrologers schooled in traditional techniques, so that if a planet is within 5 degrees of the next house cusp, it is considered to have its influence within the context of that house.