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Information on Unaspected and Retrograde Natal Mars
I am looking for information on Natal Mars Unaspected AND Retrograde. I usually see information for one OR the other but not both together. It's particularly important in my chart since I am Aries rising. My Mars is in Leo exactly conjunct the 6th. My modified birthtime by 2 minutes moves Mars from the 5th to the 6th house. I have never thought of how significant this might play out in my life, however I am beginning to think it's had a larger role than I realized other than being my ASC ruler... Internalizing anger, hard on myself, bladder troubles - infections and an incurable bladder disease, bullied or feeling bullied, health problems including chronic fatigue, job problems, no children, ect. I have always looked to Uranus and Pluto placed there in the 6th as the culprit but now I wonder? I know unaspected Mars in general can be sort of explosive at times and have trouble harnessing the aggressive or energetic tendencies. Does anyone have good articles about the combination of Mars unaspected and retrograde natally.
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08-20-2011, 05:11 PM
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Re: Information on Unaspected and Retrograde Natal Mars
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I am looking for information on Natal Mars Unaspected AND Retrograde. I usually see information for one OR the other but not both together. It's particularly important in my chart since I am Aries rising. My Mars is in Leo exactly conjunct the 6th. My modified birthtime by 2 minutes moves Mars from the 5th to the 6th house. I have never thought of how significant this might play out in my life, however I am beginning to think it's had a larger role than I realized other than being my ASC ruler... Internalizing anger, hard on myself, bladder troubles - infections and an incurable bladder disease, bullied or feeling bullied, health problems including chronic fatigue, job problems, no children, ect. I have always looked to Uranus and Pluto placed there in the 6th as the culprit but now I wonder? I know unaspected Mars in general can be sort of explosive at times and have trouble harnessing the aggressive or energetic tendencies. Does anyone have good articles about the combination of Mars unaspected and retrograde natally.
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08-21-2011, 08:07 PM
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Re: Information on Unaspected and Retrograde Natal Mars
First, let's not blame Mars for the bladder disease. That is the Uranus squ. Venus.
OK...the way you would delineate Mars is by progression and transit. The Mars energy is vague in the natal, but as we know, with a lack of direction (from transits or progs) the Mars is what it is...period. However, almost from the beginning there will be transits to the Mars which will define it....like a "work in progress." And that is what you are stuck with.
At any given time look at Mars' position by progression, and the transits TO it to find out how it is operating (or not.)
You need to drink a lot of water and fruit and vegetable juices, and don't smoke or drink alcohol. Sleep is very important too, with a 6th house like yours.
Also, glancing at your chart I noticed that you didn't allow for the full 100% of orbs to be used.
If you did you would see that your Mars squares your Venus and your Neptune.
So....it's not unaspected....and of course there's also that biquintile.
So you just need to read the chart the way it really is and not use arbitrary orbs.
LIN
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08-21-2011, 08:42 PM
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Re: Information on Unaspected and Retrograde Natal Mars
Uranus in 6th House– cadent house
· Strange and advanced methods used in work and service.
· You could be interested in all kinds of healing therapy. The type of work electronics etc. You prefer to work in the background without supervision and like a congenial atmosphere.
· Possible work in health service or machinery to do with health.
· Good worker but needs a job that enables him to move around. Routine is not for them.
· Ingenious and original in nature. Highly nervous so prolonged job is unbearable.
· Either drives himself mercilessly far beyond his physical strength or fights his job all the way. Has to learn the hard way to be tow the party line.
· Chronic illness can play havoc if the ability to control irritation and impatience is not gained.
· Collect odd and unusual things (pigs, owls etc.)
· Sudden illnesses
Pluto in 6th House - cadent
· Workaholic. may be a great stickler for routine and discipline, maybe hard on themselves
· Health ‑ hate to admit to illnesses.
· Can make a career over being ill ‑ hypochondria.
· Obsessed over health. If Pluto is afflicted may suggest bowel problems (Pluto characteristic constipating action in the literal sense)
· If lack of fulfillment through work, could overeat or comfort eat
I also notice T uranus is now conj Asc, I've had this and it wasn't pleasant. Everything electrical, espec computers broke down. Washing machines, fridges, you name it - it broke..
I also notice Pluto has just gone over MC. I had this to and my father died, my marriage broke, I had to get a job. My whole life changed...
T Saturn is fast approaching square to moon in Sept, this is financial shortages, emotional withdrawal and poss break in relationship/friendship. In fact every time Saturn made a hard aspect to either my venus or moon a relationship broke - not nice.. 
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08-21-2011, 11:12 PM
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Re: Information on Unaspected and Retrograde Natal Mars
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Uranus in 6th House– cadent house
· Strange and advanced methods used in work and service.
· You could be interested in all kinds of healing therapy. The type of work electronics etc. You prefer to work in the background without supervision and like a congenial atmosphere.
· Possible work in health service or machinery to do with health.
· Good worker but needs a job that enables him to move around. Routine is not for them.
· Ingenious and original in nature. Highly nervous so prolonged job is unbearable.
· Either drives himself mercilessly far beyond his physical strength or fights his job all the way. Has to learn the hard way to be tow the party line.
· Chronic illness can play havoc if the ability to control irritation and impatience is not gained.
· Collect odd and unusual things (pigs, owls etc.)
· Sudden illnesses
Pluto in 6th House - cadent
· Workaholic. may be a great stickler for routine and discipline, maybe hard on themselves
· Health ‑ hate to admit to illnesses.
· Can make a career over being ill ‑ hypochondria.
· Obsessed over health. If Pluto is afflicted may suggest bowel problems (Pluto characteristic constipating action in the literal sense)
· If lack of fulfillment through work, could overeat or comfort eat
I also notice T uranus is now conj Asc, I've had this and it wasn't pleasant. Everything electrical, espec computers broke down. Washing machines, fridges, you name it - it broke..
I also notice Pluto has just gone over MC. I had this to and my father died, my marriage broke, I had to get a job. My whole life changed...
T Saturn is fast approaching square to moon in Sept, this is financial shortages, emotional withdrawal and poss break in relationship/friendship. In fact every time Saturn made a hard aspect to either my venus or moon a relationship broke - not nice..
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Thank you for the response and all the information!!! It is very helpful. Yes, I am going through major changes in my life, unable to find work after more than two years, had to sell my house at a loss and move with my mother, stepdad dropped dead, money has basically run out. No relationship to speak of at the moment so ok there. I was kind of thinking when T Uranus trines Venus starting in a week someone might come into the picture, although I am hoping it is money instead. I suspect when Transiting Saturn hits my Moon and then Sun it might be more to do with my living arrangement with my mom, perhaps I will become depressed about it. I am already feeling a little hopeless as it is. My mom is retired so she is here 24/7 which I am unused to and I am finding it irritating moving my entire life into a bedroom. I am thankful I have a place to go but it’s still depressing at 48 years old. Much of what was described with having Uranus/Pluto in the 6th house is accurate. I have been in the health industry for 16 years as a medical device sales rep. I see with Pluto transiting my MC/10th that that career is over now, which is why I haven’t been able to get work in that field. I also workout almost daily and most definitely have a food addiction, particularly to sweets. I have to watch it or I put on weight, however I have never let it get out of control so have always maintained a thin and athletic frame. I have also had chronic health issues as I described earlier and have not found fulfilling work. Medical sales never seemed to fit me and quite honestly, I am burned out on sales as I am not overly pushy or forceful despite having Aries rising. I think that is the Mars Rx and you are correct; I really don’t like competitive situations. Even so, I think I have become more verbal since progressed Mars is opposing my Mercury in that I don’t hold things inside as much. BTW I am very familiar with Mars square Neptune; however the orb is a little over 8 degrees and separating so I haven’t really considered it to be that valid. I would say some of what is said about this aspect could ring true but it also could be other aspects/planetary placements in my chart as well. To be honest with you, I have found that my life experiences really fit both Mars in the 5th and the 6th house regardless of what house system I use, which has always been a quandary to me. I really look at it being both.
I am not looking forward to this fall. T Saturn already hit my Moon for 3 months last December, nothing noteworthy happened other than my home foreclosing, but I expected it so it wasn’t a surprise.
Thank you again for responding!!!
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08-21-2011, 11:21 PM
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Re: Information on Unaspected and Retrograde Natal Mars
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First, let's not blame Mars for the bladder disease. That is the Uranus squ. Venus.
OK...the way you would delineate Mars is by progression and transit. The Mars energy is vague in the natal, but as we know, with a lack of direction (from transits or progs) the Mars is what it is...period. However, almost from the beginning there will be transits to the Mars which will define it....like a "work in progress." And that is what you are stuck with.
At any given time look at Mars' position by progression, and the transits TO it to find out how it is operating (or not.)
You need to drink a lot of water and fruit and vegetable juices, and don't smoke or drink alcohol. Sleep is very important too, with a 6th house like yours.
Also, glancing at your chart I noticed that you didn't allow for the full 100% of orbs to be used.
If you did you would see that your Mars squares your Venus and your Neptune.
So....it's not unaspected....and of course there's also that biquintile.
So you just need to read the chart the way it really is and not use arbitrary orbs.
LIN
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Hi Lin,
Thank you for responding!! The bladder is ruled by Mars, which is why I blamed it.  If we take Mars rx square Neptune as a valid aspect, then it would make sense there is a reoccuring and incurable bladder disease. Venus square Uranus is the likely culprit to my thyroid problem since Venus rules the thyroid. I don't consider Venus square Mars valid as as the orb is 9+ degrees. The Mars square Neptune is questionable to me not only because it's a little over 8 degrees but becuase it's also separating. I am not ruling it out though, just explaining my thoughts on it. I don't personally use aspects greater than 8 degrees unless it's conjunct, it's just what I have learned over the last 20 years doing astrology. Just a personal thing really not saying it's the only way.
Thank you for the advice!! I don't sleep well and I agree it's a big problem with my health. Again, I appreciate your time!!
Vista
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08-22-2011, 08:49 AM
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I am not looking forward to this fall. T Saturn already hit my Moon for 3 months last December, nothing noteworthy happened other than my home foreclosing, but I expected it so it wasn’t a surprise
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you know it's the retrograde hit, which is worst and is used for 'timings' of events. 
I have heard that mercury/moon aspects can cause sleep problems, and I notice your mercury is quincunxed uranus in 6th, maybe this is responsible. Have you always had sleep problems? or is it just a recent thing?
Did you identify with the unaspected mars links?
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08-22-2011, 04:26 PM
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Re: Information on Unaspected and Retrograde Natal Mars
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you know it's the retrograde hit, which is worst and is used for 'timings' of events.
I have heard that mercury/moon aspects can cause sleep problems, and I notice your mercury is quincunxed uranus in 6th, maybe this is responsible. Have you always had sleep problems? or is it just a recent thing?
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Yes, I do know the retrograde hit of T Saturn T- Square to my Sun Moon opposition with be the most difficult, although I would have to say that many times I have found the 3rd hit to be the most significantly felt. We will see...I suspect the 2nd time will be the hardest given the circumstances of my life right now.
As for my sleep problems, I don't have a problem going to sleep as much as staying asleep, which is related to my bladder disease and the need to go to the bathroom during the night. I have always awakened in the night even as a child.
Hum, as for Mars unaspected and identifying with it. Most definitely, however more so when I was younger. I think I am much better at controlling impulses than I was back then. Also don't forget my Mars is Rx so it's single mindedness and uncontrollable energy is reeled quite a bit. I can also indentify with Mars square Neptune as well...
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