Astrological Hallmarks of an Astrologer

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Moog

Do you think that there are particular chart features or configurations that point to an aptitude for or a particular interest in astrology? If so, what do you think they are?

Perhaps there are none! although here's an interesting point of view from a recent discussion on Neptune the 'Astrologers Planet'

Originally Posted by Anachiel

Re: Tradition + Modernization = ?
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Originally Posted by waybread
Anachiel, don't forget that traditional astrologers used all kinds of points and calculations no longer in use by modern astrologers--terms, faces, joys, hylegs, a kazillion arabic parts, &c., &c.,

I haven't forgot, I use them myself. But the point is not quantity here, it is relevance and quality.

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Originally Posted by waybread
so it would be hard to tote up the points and make a case one way or the other for the complification/simplification of astrology.

That's not the point. Both are complicated...astrology alone can be complicated! It is the addition of pointless "planets" and celestial objects that have already been covered with the traditional planets that has dilluted the waters of modern astrology. That and their reinvention of the wheel.

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Originally Posted by waybread
Uranus: sudden change, upheaval, disruption; but also liberation. In the latter sense electronic media liberate communication from traditional distances.

Mars and Mercury fulfill this function. Besides I hardly find telling someone of a "sudden change" or "upheaval" to be informative. It is subjective at best. Saying "job loss", "job gain" or "marriage", "s/he's leaving" etc. would probably be more objective and useful than what is offered for Uranus at this point.

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Originally Posted by waybread
Neptune: unreality, fantasy, illusion, a yearning to merge with the divine; but also disillusionment, deception. What you thought was real turns out to be unreal. What you disbelieved turns out to be true. Neptune tends to erase or dissolve what it touches--including one's sense of identity in contact with the Asc or the sun. But can be helpful for artists (especially film-makers) and mystics.

Moon, Venus and Saturn can fulfill these but, with more useful detail and applicability than, "illusion". What exactly does that mean to someone? Nothing.

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Originally Posted by waybread
Pluto: ruthless transformation. Possibly analagous to a combination of Mars and Saturn, but without the former's impetuousness and the latter's commitment to tradition, authority, or the status quo. When badly used, it is often involved in inter-personal power strugges. When well used, the person is capable of significant personal growth.

Mars and Saturn can do this as well as the Sun even. "Transformation" is another buzz-word, psycho-babble. As a client, I would want details how, where and when this was going to affect my life. Pluto cannot do this. Whatever you say of Pluto, a million other people have the same so because Pluto is not personal, he is too slow and now, is not even considered a planet! lol

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Originally Posted by waybread
I just don't see these energies well-described by the planets through Saturn. And I think they have huge interpretive value.

And here we have the very crux of the trad vs modern: Moderns do not really understand the traditional visible planets at all!


All in good conversation is all this I hope you know. But, really, the only difference between the trads and moderns is the moderns use of a few more thousand celestial objects that are unnecessary, a lack of concensus of technique, and too much subjective terminology that feigns prediction.
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and here's one dictionary definition of illusion found in almost any dictionary
il·lu·sion (-lzhn)n.
1.
a. An erroneous perception of reality.
b. An erroneous concept or belief.

2. The condition of being deceived by a false perception or belief.
3. Something, such as a fantastic plan or desire, that causes an erroneous belief or perception.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by Moog

Do you think that there are particular chart features or configurations that point to an aptitude for or a particular interest in astrology? If so, what do you think they are?

Uranus and Aquarius deal with astrological sciences. THe 11th house to an extent.....If you have strong aspects to Uranus then there can be an interest. If you are strongly Aquarian the same can apply.

A professional astrologer would have these influences in the 10th house and perhaps in the 6th for everyday work...I would aspects say to the Sun and Moon and perhaps Venus. Conjunctions to the North Node and perhaps opposition.....but close in orb.

I have Uranus conjunct NN and sextiling the Sun and trine Jupiter which deals with universal truth and knowledge. I have been an astrologer for over 30 years......It is also connected to my idea of life everlasting and reincarnation etc as I have a strong 8th house. Neptune is our spiritual yearnings and transcendance which can include astrology as a pathway but again Uranus has to be connected in my belief.

[Kannon]

Mercury-Uranus aspects, but Uranus prominent/angular, Uranus with many aspects.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Kannon

Mercury-Uranus aspects, but Uranus prominent/angular, Uranus with many aspects.

I agree, I have uranus chart ruler (7th) conj sun/moon point therefore square the luminaries. Aquarius asc and uranus close trine MC

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Moog

Do you think that there are particular chart features or configurations that point to an aptitude for or a particular interest in astrology? If so, what do you think they are?

interesting that the fixed stars have an alternative response to this question! http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Acrux.html
Fixed star: ACRUX Constellation: Alpha (α) Crux Longitude 1900: 10SCO29 Longitude 2000: 11SCO52 Declination 1900: - 62.33' Declination 2000: - 63.06' Right ascension: 12h 26m Latitude: - 52.52' Spectral class: B1 Magnitude: 0.76

The astrological influences of the star Acrux
It gives religions beneficence, ceremonial, justice, magic and mystery, and is frequently prominent in the horoscopes of astrologers and occultists. [Robson*, p.116.]

[Interpretations for alpha and beta Crux - Acrux and Mimosa] Inventive mind, intuition and wisdom, a grasp for the inner nature of one's fellow man. The gift of successful investigation of the hidden side of things. A deeply religious nature connected with mystical and theosophical interests. [Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928, p.63.]

References:
*[Fixed Stars and Constellations in Astrology, Vivian E. Robson, 1923].


http://www.constellationsofwords.com...atalrobson.htm

http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html

[Skillcoil]

Aqua rising 22 degrees/Uranus 10th house (close to 11th). MC conjunct Antares, but generally Sagittarius MCs tend to be drawn to astrology and such.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Skillcoil

Aqua rising 22 degrees/Uranus 10th house (close to 11th). MC conjunct Antares, but generally Sagittarius MCs tend to be drawn to astrology and such.

yep, I'm hearing you bro. Saggi MC

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Skillcoil

Aqua rising 22 degrees/Uranus 10th house (close to 11th). MC conjunct Antares, but generally Sagittarius MCs tend to be drawn to astrology and such.

I would be interested to view the link that provided the facts you based your response on because according to Ebertin
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Antares makes people tough, belligerent and pugnacious . This is an important star for military personnel and is said to convey mental alertness, strategic ability and courage and to make dare-devils, especially if tied up with the MC, Ascendant, Sun or Jupiter. If associated with Mars, courage is said to become foolhardiness, leading to increased dangers.

Antares http://www.constellationsofwords.com...s_alphabet.htm

Why is there no mention of astrological influences

[Kuntuzangmo]

"Sun quintile Chiron: 
You are very gifted at understanding subtle energies, symbolism and other dimensions of reality. You would be an excellent astrologer, healer and/or spiritual guide. You are likely to have perceptions that do not fit with conventional philosophies, and these can lead you into expanded states and a greater awareness."

wizzards.net

[joolz]

I have been ' doing ' astrology since I was eleven . I was told by my astrological teacher that I was a ' natural ' . I have Sagg asc , My Sun is 150 degrees from Uranus which is also a mutual reception [ Sun in Aqua , Uranus in Virgo ] I gather that mutual receptions are similar in meaning to a conjunction or am I wrong ; can anyone explain ' Mutual receptions ' ?

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by joolz

I have been ' doing ' astrology since I was eleven . I was told by my astrological teacher that I was a ' natural ' . I have Sagg asc , My Sun is 150 degrees from Uranus which is also a mutual reception [ Sun in Aqua , Uranus in Virgo ] I gather that mutual receptions are similar in meaning to a conjunction or am I wrong ; can anyone explain ' Mutual receptions ' ?

mutual reception
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_reception

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by joolz

I have been ' doing ' astrology since I was eleven . I was told by my astrological teacher that I was a ' natural ' . I have Sagg asc , My Sun is 150 degrees from Uranus which is also a mutual reception [ Sun in Aqua , Uranus in Virgo ] I gather that mutual receptions are similar in meaning to a conjunction or am I wrong ; can anyone explain ' Mutual receptions ' ?

'mutual reception' is the strongest form of 'reception'

Reception
The 11th century Arabic astrologer Al-Biruni described reception as a planet arriving in the dignities of another and offering it a compliment - such as 'your servant' or 'neighbour'. In giving the visitor 'a reception' there is an implication of tolerance and attention from the host, as well as an element of influence and control.

Consider the Sun in Libra. Venus is said to 'receive' the Sun because he is visiting her sign. In this capacity Venus is known as the Sun's dispositor."
more from this link http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig6.html

[Inconjunct]

Sun in Aquarius, Uranus in Virgo is not a mutual reception. Sun in Aquarius Saturn or Uranus in LEO would be.

[joolz]

Sorry wrong planet .. I have Mercury in Aquarius and Uranus in Virgo .. thats better isn't it ? Or am I still wrong ?

[joolz]

I have inconjunct aspect between Mercury and Uranus .. plus they are mutual recetion . The 7th house is Gemini and every time a planet transits to my mercury it seems to affect my relationships .

[dhundhun]

In most of the cases, Uranus makes a person Astrologer, with other factors supporting (specially Jupiter, Mercury, Neptune, etc). But this is a general statement.

If Uranus is responsible then house applies how some one is Astrologer:
Uranus in 1st, people see you as an Astrologer, in 10th see you doing business in Astrology, in 7th/11th find you living in Astrologer's company, and so on.

Most of the Astrologers are not practical or in other words, they are not money minded, or again in other words, they don't get monitory compensation for the amount of work done. This sort of indication will be present in chart.

Astrology mostly requires being generous and being able to do good to others. This is where Jupiter comes in Picture.

Astrology is complex, mathematically, to do full justice, needs Mercury's help for analysis.

Finally, art of synthesis is needed. Without that an Astrologer will keep on telling/writing like if ... then ... else (a conjuct b, so ... b sextile c so ..., a in ... so ...) and so on. Without that Astrologer fills pages and pages without summarizing in one or few word(s)/line(s), which is mostly desired outcome. Usually Neptunian traits helps to visualize information collectively and bring forth in presentable way.

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In Vedic Astrology, Trans-Saturnians are not used and it is Rahu (North Node), Mercury and Jupiter collectively used to decide, whether someone will do Astrology.

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I think, this is right place to answer (partially) the questions asked several times: What is difference between Western and Vedic Astrology?

Most of Western Astrologers are more into Analysis and they tend to load their clients with tons of information without summarizing it, where as skills of Vedic Astrologers goes more into Synthesizing information and presenting in nut shell.

Hope this helps.

[joolz]

Well you just amazed me ... I have Uranus in 10th house but can not charge as people that come to me are normally at rock bottom and need some advice or need to know when things will improve . My morals cannot allow me to make money from these desperate people . To me knowledge should be shared [ Sagg Asc ]and if you have the gift of knowing astrology you can aliviate peoples sadness and give them dates when things will get better .. in other words hope . I could not charge to bring people hope

[Nexus7]

Someone heavily into midpoints once told me my chart contained 'the signature of the astrologer.' He told me that my Mercury tree was particularly strong in this regard, as my Mercury tree pulled in more or less exact midpoints involving the Moon, Saturn, Mercury, Uranus and the Midheaven. That least,of course, depends on how accurate time of birth is, but it seems accurate enough to me, noticing chiefly how my Midheaven is well-and truly squared by Saturn, and the Aries point, incidentally.

I did not in the end feel I could make any career out of astrology, as I just did not get on with the mindset current in most of the astrology around in the 70'sand 80's, which often seemed about as open-minded as the cream of the most die-hard fundamentalists - and applied just as inflexibly.

Ther fact that astrology is not accepted as a valid discipline did not especially help things, I had a popular course for beginners going at the local uni, until the authorities saw what was going on and the meeting set to decide which courses should be allowed to continue and which not, mysteriously and conveniently became not quorate, after I had been kept waiting 5 hours to see them.

Anway - a big Whatever to that. I went for tesol teaching instead, though it seems that having a 135% aspect from Uranus to that wonderful MC sets off alarm bells in this marvellously staid profession brings about its own set of dilemmas too. But to begin with, I remember a teacher trainer telling the class that she felt it was important 'never to try to take away' something from any student in temrs of how they felt about their learning or their abilities, and that just seemed so laudable somehow - I encountered little of it among certain quarters in the astrology community at the time.

I shall always be interested in astrology, but at the same time, will always have questions about the way it is used and what is is or isn't good for. Int

[dhundhun]

Originally Posted by Nexus7

Someone heavily into midpoints once told me my chart contained 'the signature of the astrologer.'

People with Signature of Astrology do make good teachers, researchers, lecturers.

[Skillcoil]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

I would be interested to view the link that provided the facts you based your response on because according to Ebertin
QUOTE:
Antares makes people tough, belligerent and pugnacious . This is an important star for military personnel and is said to convey mental alertness, strategic ability and courage and to make dare-devils, especially if tied up with the MC, Ascendant, Sun or Jupiter. If associated with Mars, courage is said to become foolhardiness, leading to increased dangers.

Antares http://www.constellationsofwords.com...s_alphabet.htm

Why is there no mention of astrological influences

I didn't read your full comment and thought you just mentioned fixed stars.

Originally Posted by astrologer50

yep, I'm hearing you bro. Saggi MC

I'm not a bro, but thanks for agreeing. Most people on this forum assume I'm a middle aged woman or a guy lol.

[sethi]

Originally Posted by joolz

Well you just amazed me ... I have Uranus in 10th house but can not charge as people that come to me are normally at rock bottom and need some advice or need to know when things will improve . My morals cannot allow me to make money from these desperate people . To me knowledge should be shared [ Sagg Asc ]and if you have the gift of knowing astrology you can aliviate peoples sadness and give them dates when things will get better .. in other words hope . I could not charge to bring people hope

Hey my Uranus is in 17 degrees virgo in the 10th house. My ascendant is also sagitarrius. And also the people I meet are usually needy once's who cannot really offer to pay me any big sum.

This point (indication being an astrologer) can be easily seen in the hands of the other person.

I have a very clear line showing indication of being an astrologer