I have THE GRAND TRINE, am I DOOMED?

[dandelionnn]

What I read: "
A Grand Trine is a pattern in the chart when three planets form "trine" (120 degree) aspects with each other. A true Grand Trine is when all three planets are in the same element (water, air, earth or fire)…
The Grand Trine confers too much stability and leads to inertia and a lack of motivation to dynamic action.Many with Grand Trines do not accomplish as much as they could and should in life
because the easy flow of events does not necessarily stimulate to achievement and ambition."

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This scares me. I absolutely have no motivation in life and I thought it was just because of my depression. I just started on Zoloft; so we'll see if the feelings will change. Is there ANYTHING positive about having a Grand Trine? Or am I going to remain unchanged for the rest of my life?

[Lin]

Does this grand trine DOOM you??? ABsolutely NOT.
You have Pluto conj. Venus....the BEST aspects to this would be the sextile and trine.
I wouldn't want to see this in a square, without modifying aspects to relieve it.

Astrologers always want to see balance in a chart. There should be trines and squares. And sextiles...
The best grand trine is the earth, then the water, then the fire and last and for me, the hardest, is the air.

But all grand trines need squares to balance and keep the person awake. Your chart is pretty balanced.

But you need to study your inconjuncts.
and...Learn TRANSITS

LIN

[Caro]

No

The grand trine in water is part of a kite formation. this strengthens it as you have the opposition. in your case a neptune conj uranus in 7th house in capricorn. opposite mars in first near your asc

maybe if you work to ensure you have close stable relationships and working life.

saturn in 8th - good a working with others money(this one can also be about depression too)

have you thought about working in finance? training in this field.

9th house moon - an interest emotionally in foreign cultures and spiritual/philisophical issues. maybe you will move abroad?

these are just general statements and you need to look at the whole chart.

[R4VEN]

I am very wary of Dr's who would put an 18 yr-old on Zoloft. I was once put on it, and I consider it to be evil. The crazy I felt while on it was way worse than the depression.

Your Moon in Pisces is something of a depressive Moon, since you feel everything in your environment. This would have begun in your very early childhood when you were able to absorb your mother's feelings - the feelings she spent her time running from, or completely ignoring. You probably still do this, so that your sadness most likely belongs to people close to you, rather than belonging with you. This is why sensitive people should never be put on anti-depressants.

With Mars being opposite Neptune you probably have self-esteem issues, chiefly because you are not sure where you end and others begin.

There are a number of other challenges in your chart, but I would not class the Grand Water Trine as one of them. With motivation - i.e. a reason to begin - you can express yourself through art, writing, dance, music, or any art-form at all. You need an outlet for the feelings. Zoloft will only blanket those feelings, leaving you feeling like a zombie.

Everyone has feelings, and depression is a sign that you are suppressing yours. It is not an illness as such, but an inability to get the feelings out.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by dandelionnn

What I read: "
A Grand Trine is a pattern in the chart when three planets form "trine" (120 degree) aspects with each other. A true Grand Trine is when all three planets are in the same element (water, air, earth or fire) in the three separate houses involved. If three lines were drawn to each of the corresponding planets, it would form a nearly or exact equilateral triangle. (Two planets trine to each other, both of which are trined by a third planet. )
The Grand Trine confers too much stability and leads to inertia and a lack of motivation to dynamic action.Many with Grand Trines do not accomplish as much as they could and should in life
because the easy flow of events does not necessarily stimulate to achievement and ambition."

This scares me. I absolutely have no motivation in life and I thought it was just because of my depression. I just started on Zoloft; so we'll see if the feelings will change. Is there ANYTHING positive about having a Grand Trine? Or am I going to remain unchanged for the rest of my life?

are you aware of forum rules not to post over 100words from other's sources?

I don't see a grand trine but a kite
Kite
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectpatterns.html
“Whenever a person has a kite in his chart, he is considered to be more likely to be successful in his endeavours because the opposition will give him the push to go out and conquer the obstacles that are presented to him, and the sextiles will give him a little bit more harmony once he has achieved his goals.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kite_aspect
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/aspect-patterns2.html
http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/glossary/glossary_k.htm


Your laziness is down to lack of fire planets, which give impetus and energy to move. How sure are you of your time? with mars conj ascendent, this is usually someone sporty, competative

Now libra sun is restless, procrastinating and indecisive, but square to mars shows

generates assertive and impulsive behavior. Even if you are a very passive person, this aspect stimulates action when the aspect is set off by transits. You drive yourself hard to achieve your ambitions, and you carry out every task with much enthusiasm and energy. You may display anger and brashness. Sometimes you need to develop patience and forethought to avoid conflicts in your life. This aspect produces much physical energy, but often these energies are spent in a precipitant fashion. When well directed, you can do much in any field you decide to enter. Avoid egocentric tendencies
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html#susma

you have 5 out of 10 planets in water with Cancer Asc which suggests someone very sensitive and poss psychic

[astrologer50]

sun square neptune and uranus can present challenges, espec in teenage years, as there is no clear image

Sun and Uranus shows that you are impulsive and unpredictable. You go your own way and do your own thing without much concern about what others think. You are original, but sometimes impractical. You like to do what you want, when you want. Nervous and accident prone, you may sometimes think you have a dark cloud following you. Your periodic unwillingness to follow rules may hamper your progress. With maturity, your views may remain eccentric and liberal, but they become more broadly based and humanitarian.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html#susur

shows suffering from an inferiority complex. You feel that you must constantly defend your ideals and objectives. You may find yourself being undermined, or perceive this is the case. You are imaginative, but you may reject reality. It can be difficult for you to find an avenue of self-expression. It's hard for you to create a vision of exactly where you are going, because you underestimate your ability to succeed.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html#susne

You become involved when others lean on you and depend on you. You are sensitive to suffering, fond of animals, and more emotional than you let on. You are vulnerable emotionally. This aspect sometimes produces a lax in morality, bohemian tendencies, and many impractical and unrealistic ideas.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html#susne

mars in cancer has a tendency to interfer in family matters, but it has a quincunx to saturn, where you may suffer in relationships, won't be able to do anything about it and will never understand why either....

[dandelionnn]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

mars in cancer has a tendency to interfer in family matters, but it has a quincunx to saturn, where you may suffer in relationships, won't be able to do anything about it and will never understand why either....

You say I wont be able to do anything about my relationships? Is it possible that I CAN? What could I do?
Also, my time of birth was written on my birth certificate, that's where I got it from. So it has to be right, right?
SO, the problem is that I underrestimate myself...since I supposedly have so much energy and can accomplish or conquer anything according to my KITE and Mars in 1st house, should I stop underrestimating myself and feel insecure about myself when I know I can accomplish anything?
P.S...you hit the nail on everything. Good job!

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by dandelionnn

You say I wont be able to do anything about my relationships? Is it possible that I CAN? What could I do?
Also, my time of birth was written on my birth certificate, that's where I got it from. So it has to be right, right?
SO, the problem is that I underrestimate myself...since I supposedly have so much energy and can accomplish or conquer anything according to my KITE and Mars in 1st house, should I stop underrestimating myself and feel insecure about myself when I know I can accomplish anything?
P.S...you hit the nail on everything. Good job!

Thank you so much.

Yes on occasions, at times there may well be nothing that you can do, with uranus in 7th opp mars and square to sun, watch for impatience and bad temper or being over assertive (sun square mars)

[JayM]

I read the same description for sun trine moon, that plus my mars in pisces has not helped in the past. I am motivated now though to do things.

Also dont assume that the description is true and identify with it so fast, there are probably more factors to do with it. You also have a T-square (mars, sun and neptune/uranus) that does give you stress but the problem is that you cannot avoid working on the T-square while using the grand trine as an escape, but since you have so much gifts in your chart just make sure you get out there and do things. Its interesting that your moon is so well aspected but your sun has difficult aspects.

Its not nearly as hard as your making it out to be, just dont get stuck in a rut.

[babs]

I dont think the grand trine is dooming at all. I think a chart needs balance and if there are aspect patterns in our charts, then we should make the most of them.

I too have a grand trine (A TRUE FIRE GRAND TRINE) and yes... from it I get my temper, instinct, passion, strength but all self-centeredness and impulsiveness. Either way, its never boring.

I also have the kite with opposition to merc and the moon sextiles mars. Difficult to communicate and act. I may think 1 thing, do another, say a 3rd, wish a 4th and this would go on and on.

There is also a yod. Ah the yod. And the mystic rectangle. Gots lots going on in my chart.


Doomed??? Not really.

[dandelionnn]

I also have a T-Square? "T-square indicates immediate crisis situations, and this quality is strongly accented in cardinal signs or angular houses.":http://www.cafeastrology.com/article...tpatterns.html
My T-square is in all cardinal houses...oh no..what could this mean? And what do they mean by "Immediate crisis situations"?

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by dandelionnn

I also have a T-Square? "T-square indicates immediate crisis situations, and this quality is strongly accented in cardinal signs or angular houses.":http://www.cafeastrology.com/article...tpatterns.html
My T-square is in all cardinal houses...oh no..what could this mean? And what do they mean by "Immediate crisis situations"?

T Squares are the MOST common aspect confirguration, what tends to happen is when a transit, progression or solar arc, makes an opposition to sun at 16'7" in Aries, then it temporarily creates a grand square, this in turn can cause tensions, but gets you up off your backside to resolve matters. Like others have mentioned, you need a balance of aspect that involve your kite otherwise it could make you too lazy.

First couple weeks in April T Jupiter created this empty legged stool,should have improved your confidence to??

[dandelionnn]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

First couple weeks in April T Jupiter created this empty legged stool,should have improved your confidence to??

In April? No definitely not. My confindence has not improved since then which is kinda why I posted this question in the first place., a little after April...