comparison between synastry charts

[sleepy_cat]

Hi all,
I'm new to astrology, so please, I would appreciate any help on this matter. I have posted two synastry charts, A and B respectively. As far as I can read them...there seem to be a lot of positive aspects with the person in Chart A (felt as smoother interactions, easier relationship, natural understanding, familiarity even, overall ease). So, how come I feel a greater pull towards the person in Chart B (experienced as difficult interaction, even exhausting at first, always feeling like I am forced to grow and learn to be my better self - really, it changed me a lot...)? Is there any indication of karma in any of it? Which chart displays a greater degree of compatibility (for a possible harmonious or fulfilling relationship)?thank you and may the stars be kind to u

[sleepy_cat]

...should I have asked the question on a different thread? the Read my chart section maybe would provide a greater chance of a reply?...confused...

[Horus]

Hi Sleepy Cat ( I used to have one those),


Yeah this belongs in Read My Chart since you have not offered much of an interpretation yourself and I'm sure a moderator will move it soon. You might also consider retitling the thread to something more provocative: "Which of two guys should I sleep with?" Everyone will open that!


But to answer your question - Yes - karmic w/ guy B because his Saturn (Lord of Karma =fears, , limits, discipline, lessons, tests) is conjunct (unifying) with your North Lunar Node (soul evolution, growth). Your Pluto (transformation, passion, power, control) is conjunct his North Node. His Pluto also falls in your 5th House of Romance. Guy A feels more comfortable because manhy of his planets fall in your 4th house of home (and inner mental foundation).

You need to enable "Vertex" in the additional objects menu when doing synastry , because any conjunctions with those are highly significant 'fated' contacts.

[sleepy_cat]

Thank you so much Horus, I should have thought of the 4th house thingie myself...
I like your sense of humour, seems like I have a new friend

How about the Venus Pluto opp in chart B? should I run while I still got time or should I accept the karmic lesson as is? don't quite know much abt karma but I know one should not avoid it if possible
(actually I needed a lot of adjustments made in order to be able to be friends with this guy - the Sag-Pisces thing is difficult, lucky I have a hoard of planets in water and he on the other hand has lots of fire; he's like my mentor, has taught me a lot)

I will enable the Vertex and will update the attachments. Can I count on your help afterwards too?

[sleepy_cat]

... I have another idea (curiosity rather) ...I understand the 5th house Pluto and the 4th house stellium (that's how its called, right), but how does this feel from the other side?
Venus in somebody's 5th feels joyous if anything...but what abt venus in one's 11th? close friends? interested in same topics, same preoccupations?
On the other hand Sun in seventh (chart B) makes one see a romantic interest in a partner whereas I relate to him as a mentor (maybe since his Sun is in my tenth - or maybe there's another explanation)...
sorry I always refer to the charts, but it's easier to learn by examples. i am passionate abt astrology, mainly synastry but for the moment I rather "feel" things (I know the basics, aspects and stuff but don't see them "playing out" together, maybe since I lack the proper understanding of the mechanisms involved).

[Horus]

Originally Posted by sleepy_cat

Thank you so much Horus, I should have thought of the 4th house thingie myself...
I like your sense of humour, seems like I have a new friend

Probably an old friend - your Sun conjuncts my Moon, Neptune my ASC and my Scorpio and Libra planets mesh with yours and trine your Moon -can I be Guy C? Pleeeeeease?

How about the Venus Pluto opp in chart B? should I run while I still got time or should I accept the karmic lesson as is? don't quite know much abt karma but I know one should not avoid it if possible

That's a tough one but not as bad as the square. If the communication is good, and there's trust, honesty, & openness, that will do wonders to defuse Pluto power games.

I will enable the Vertex and will update the attachments. Can I count on your help afterwards too?

Got any cash?

Yeah I'll help. Please set the biwheel orb factor down to 65% so we can see only the lines that matter. For synastry orbs of 3° or less are preferable but I allow 5° for conjunctions. Please enable Juno (asteroid of marriage) in addition to Vertex. It's not hugely important but sometimes it lands in interesting places beyond accidental coincidence. It would help to see the individual natal charts so I know what degree each object and angle is in.

You can use Skyviewzone to see mutual effects of planets in houses starting here and menu on right to view other planets:

http://www.skyviewzone.com/lovematch...astryhouse.htm

[sleepy_cat]

have added the charts with vertex and Juno (if relevant). How abt Chart B's Chiron opposed my Venus? Is he trying to heal some kind of wound through me? opposition makes me think it's forcible? is my blabering even remotely connected to astrology?

[sleepy_cat]

Originally Posted by Horus

Probably an old friend - your Sun conjuncts my Moon, Neptune my ASC and my Scorpio and Libra planets mesh with yours and trine your Moon -can I be Guy C? Pleeeeeease?

Well, nice to have found u again at last there, old friend.
Sure, if the Chart C will help me learn a bit more, anything is possible . Charts used here are only for me to be able to learn astrology by practice (I kind of feel things to be one way or another and then "verify" them against astrology, and this helps me understand astrology better), sorry to have spoiled the mistery for you...

Originally Posted by Horus

You can use Skyviewzone to see mutual effects of planets in houses starting here and menu on right to view other planets:

http://www.skyviewzone.com/lovematch...astryhouse.htm

Yes, I use skyviewzone extensively, as well as other resources on the internet...cafeastrology and the like. However, I have difficulties looking at the larger picture...get easily bogged down in aspects taken separately without being able to link them somehow.

hope i uploaded everything this time

[Horus]

have added the charts with vertex and Juno (if relevant). How abt Chart B's Chiron opposed my Venus? Is he trying to heal some kind of wound through me? opposition makes me think it's forcible? is my blabering even remotely connected to astrology?

LOL Take it easy on yourself, Cat! There's no such thing as dumb questions and we're all here to learn, right? Well, most of us. Youre getting the gist of it. Opps are tension between two people. Something about your love nature may poke an old wound, press a sensitive button. I had an Aries lover once whose Sun conjuncted my Chiron and it absolutely drove my wounds to the surface -painfully by the force of her will (#@%&!). But I'm a hypnotherapist so I recognized what was happening, got a session from a colleague, and had quantum healing from it.

[Horus]

Originally Posted by sleepy_cat

Sure, if the Chart C will help me learn a bit more, anything is possible . Charts used here are only for me to be able to learn astrology by practice (I kind of feel things to be one way or another and then "verify" them against astrology, and this helps me understand astrology better), sorry to have spoiled the mistery for you...

Darnit! Now I know 'everything' -no fun! But one chart at a time.

Yes, I use skyviewzone extensively, as well as other resources on the internet...cafeastrology and the like. However, I have difficulties looking at the larger picture...get easily bogged down in aspects taken separately without being able to link them somehow.

hope i uploaded everything this time

Good, Skyviewzone gives you some insight on the flipflop, and you can intuit (or deduce) the rest based on what you know of the planet's meaning, the house's meaning, yourself and your tendencies, and what you sense about the other person.

You did set the orbs down on the bi-wheels right? For future reference, set the orbs down on indivudal charts too to 85%. The default is just too high -like 10 or 11°? Should be 8° max and 4° for sextiles. No need to change these now, we can work w/ what's here.

For romantic relationship synastry, I start by looking at the individual charts and see if there's any internal problems (or blessings) particularly w/ the Moon, Venus, Mars, 4th, 5th, 7th, and 8th houses. After that I check to see what kind of partner is astrologically suited to them.

For a man it's his Moon sign, Venus sign, 7th cusp sign, 7th cusp ruler(s)'s signs. For a woman it's her Sun, Mars, 7th cusp and cusp ruler. These are the sign traits that will appeal -- that we are instinctually drawn towards.

So for you that's Sagittarius, Capricorn, Cap again, and Libra
For Mr. Libra that's Leo, Scorpio, Taurus and Scorp again.
For Mr. Pisces that's Aries, Aries again, Scorpio, Libra (Pluto -modern) and Pisces (Mars -traditional)

Also note the sign of each person's North Node because those are traits that they need to develop, and if their partner has those it may be helpful to their growth, and they may sense this.

Then you can see how you match up. Outer transpersonal planets (Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) in a "qualifying" sign count, but carry minor weight, while Luminaries, personal planets (Mars, Venus, Merc) and the ASC bear most on making the impression.

In the synastry bi-wheel overlay, I mainly look for planets activating in 7th (relationship) and 4th (home, psyche) houses, but also 5th (romance), and 8th (sex) houses to a minor degree.

I also check for planets to conjunct angles: magnetic, gravity, lunar nodal and electric axes. That's AC/DC, MC/IC, vertex, anti-vertex, south node, etc. And for the angles themselves to conjuct one another. These are highly karmic significators and one sees them in studies of married couples charts.

Then I plug birthdata into Configuration Hunter's online synastry tool, setting orbs down from the default, unchecking most of the irrelevant space junk (asteroids), and look at the interaspects that are ruling the picture. It doesn't include interaspects to angles so those have to be noted visually in the biwheel.

To answer your question, some of the interaspects really should be examined separately and then evaluated to see how or if they link into the whole.

I also own some synastry software and I look at that too (though its orbs are too wide), the definitions are insightful. That's it, and that's enough to determine astro compatibility, reveal past-life connexions, explain why certain feelings and dynamics are occuring, and what challenges are in store. Of course there are little nuances here and there -whether one person's planet is dignified or debilitated, interaction between various house cusp rulers, nodal rulers, etc. etc.

[sleepy_cat]

Originally Posted by Horus

Darnit! Now I know 'everything' -no fun! But one chart at a time.

yep, definitely...I like your irony even more than your sense of humor

You did set the orbs down on the bi-wheels right? For future reference, set the orbs down on indivudal charts too to 85%. The default is just too high -like 10 or 11°? Should be 8° max and 4° for sextiles. No need to change these now, we can work w/ what's here.

gosh...maths again?! I knew it's more to astrology than aspects and romance ... how do I set the orbs on astro.com?! (nevermind, it's rethorical, I'll figure it out)

thank you for the support, I really appreciate it. I'll look into what you've said tomorrow when rested

have a nice evening (hope this applies to you, wherever you are)

[Horus]

Originally Posted by sleepy_cat

gosh...maths again?! I knew it's more to astrology than aspects and romance ... how do I set the orbs on astro.com?! (nevermind, it's rethorical, I'll figure it out)

At the astrodienst extended chart selection screen there is a field labeled "Reduce/increase orbs (0-150%):"

For natal charts enter 80 or 85
For synastry biwheels 60 or 65

thank you for the support, I really appreciate it. I'll look into what you've said tomorrow when rested

have a nice evening (hope this applies to you, wherever you are)

Thanks and you're welcome! Hope you slept well.

It's interesting that Mr. Pisces actually has Jupiter conjunct the ASC and Juno (Jupiter's wife) on the DSC. Actually Mr. Libra has Juno conjunct his DSC too...

Mr. Pisces has a Libra North Node and Mr. Libra has a Pisces North Node -as if they need to become more like one another! lol
"Curioser and curiouser" says Alice.

BTW, love your new avatar! I downloaded that image and a couple of his other "watery fire" pix (match and zippo lighter?) from a visionary art site last year -cool!

[sleepy_cat]

Originally Posted by Horus

It's interesting that Mr. Pisces actually has Jupiter conjunct the ASC and Juno (Jupiter's wife) on the DSC. Actually Mr. Libra has Juno conjunct his DSC too...

Mr. Pisces has a Libra North Node and Mr. Libra has a Pisces North Node -as if they need to become more like one another! lol
"Curioser and curiouser" says Alice.

you might be right...their friendship with one another is kind of based on that. One of them wants to change the other consciously, whereas the other kind of influences his friend subconsciously. As I said, I'm always glad to see that things I feel happening around are reflected by astrology.

BTW, love your new avatar! I downloaded that image and a couple of his other "watery fire" pix (match and zippo lighter?) from a visionary art site last year -cool!

yeah, this i how I feel lately...I should be fire burning but instead water gushes out...friendship with person B emphasized my watery nature (very much negated previously) and now I'm learning to cope with too much emotion

p.S. could not find what Juno conjunct DSC might be like...internet is very vague on that